When Did the Apollo Hoax Nonesnese start?

[Jack by the hedge]

By the way, I hope it hasn't escaped anyone's attention that Patrick claims to remember discussing Apollo hoax ideas with his Italian relatives and their friends on the very first time he travelled to meet them in 1989. This despite the fact that early in his hoax megathread he claimed to be an Apollo hoax ingénue, who only started looking into it three months previously.

 

[sts60]

By the way, I hope it hasn't escaped anyone's attention that Patrick claims to remember discussing Apollo hoax ideas with his Italian relatives and their friends on the very first time he travelled to meet them in 1989. This despite the fact that early in his hoax megathread he claimed to be an Apollo hoax ingénue, who only started looking into it three months previously.

Oh, I pointed out that particular lie several months ago. It's just one of many lies Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/forthethrillofitall/etc.,etc. routinely tells.

ETA: In one post, he said he was "new to Apollo, only 6 months in really, perhaps a bit more".
In another post, he said he had been "consistant [sic] in my position as regards the astronuats[sic] for years. They lied and participated in a fraud,... "

Again, you would think anyone who lies as much as Patrick1000, aka fattydash, aka DoctorTea, aka forthethrillofitall, aka many other sock-puppets - each one in itself representing a lie in intentionally violating the Terms of Service at other boards - would be better at it. Unlike a competent liar, though, he never knows when to stop.

 

[Border Reiver]

And did your research so badly

 

[sts60]

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[Scott Sommers]

I had always believed that Lunar Landing Hoax was the garbage heap of conspiracy theories. That is until I went to a party where a German man with a PhD in political science was spouting this crap as if it was interesting party talk. An Australian woman who works for a major magazine published by the American government seemed to find this his talk quite interesting.

I presume this kind of talk remains at least "interesting" among peoples of places that have friction with the USA.

 

[Obviousman]

"Moon Hoax" was never heard of in Australia until the advent of the internet. Just like that lie that Percy / Bennett promulgated, that people in Australia saw that coke bottle; it never happened.

"Alternative 3" hoax claims were that we landed much earlier, and discovered alien spacecraft, aliens who were watching us.

 

[Corsair 115]

Hm, true. Where am I getting Hans?

Perhaps from the villain Hans Gruber of Die Hard?

 

[BaaBaa]

I think Bart Sibrel is so full of it his eyes are brown but at least when given an opportunity to confront a "perp", he took it.

 

[MG1962]

"Moon Hoax" was never heard of in Australia until the advent of the internet. Just like that lie that Percy / Bennett promulgated, that people in Australia saw that coke bottle; it never happened.

Given how bad the quality of the footage was you could almost have driven a truck between the camera and the astronauts and not be sure you saw it

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Wikipedia on "Alternative 3" UK fake Mars landing documentary from 1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_3

Watched the first 9 minutes or so on Youtube. I hope Netflix carries the DVD. Thanks.

 

[Rincewind]

If we're digressing into pedantry, the Howard-Hughes-like character was Willard Wyte, not William.

If we continue into super-pedantry, the name was Willard Whyte, I believe...



OK - I'll get my coat...

 

[Darat]

Italians are hard to convince........I made my first trip to Italy in 1989. My cousins there and several soon to be good friends, informed me they believed Apollo phony. Moreover, they indicated they NEVER had bought in.

Educated Chinese, all the more so.

Which has nothing to do with the snip of my post that you quoted.

 

[fourtoe]

My view was/is this is a set up, a hoax of its own.....Bart Sibrel, the man who was punched, pushes a view of Apollo reality, a view as to what went down and why, that is beyond ridiculous. It doesn't hold water, not to mention cryogenic liquid oxygen.

Photo's of the punching appeared the very next day in newspapers, including on some front pages. Jay Leno talked about it. It was/is a publicity stunt, a pro astronaut stunt, a pro Apollo stunt, and a very inauthentic one at that, just like the rest of Apollo.

Sibrel, the punchee, is very much a main-streamer, though covertly so. He is an idiot, and his idiocy discrdits the notion of Apollo inauthenticity, get it?

Aldrin is not dumb enough to let this yo-yo, and he is a yo-yo, corner him. Nor would Aldrin have been dumb enough to punch Sibrel out of genuine anger. The whole thing was a silly set-up. That much is obvious......

Why was the camera angle so crappy? This is an interesting new CT that I haven't heard before...reminds me of when I attempted to talk about Ace Baker with a Truther and he claimed that Baker was a shill to make Truthers look bad.

 

[Multivac]

Not buying into Apollo was/is much more common outside of the US.

I live in the Uk and have never met anyone who believes Apollo was faked.

 

[Multivac]

I think it was just part of showing that the billionaire who owned the company was doing cutting edge space research to tie in with the laser satellite that's the main plot device, I certainly never had the impression it was implying anything about an Apollo hoax.

That's the way that I had always seen it. I hadn't even heard of the Apollo hoax until after seeing the film several times.

 

[catsmate]

Really? I had never heard about this CT in the UK until a few years back when it got a bit of publicity thanks to a TV show or two. Prior to that I had never heard anyone ever mentioning the silliness.

Dito, except that I only know of this particular CT because of the internet, never seen/heard it mentioned on tv, radio or print here in Germany.

Yep, I've never met an Apollo denier in real life, on on the 'net.

 

[FatFreddy88]

It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628

Look at post #8 of the above thread.

 

[SpitfireIX]

AFAIK I've never met one, though I know a few people who are "soft-core" believers in other popular CTs (though I've managed to pull them at least partway back out of the rabbit hole). I saw Capricorn One when I was 12 years old, but I never made any connection with fake moon landings. (I did realize, though, that the idea of using Apollo hardware for a Mars mission was ridiculous.) I also saw Diamonds are Forever on TV around that time; again it didn't occur to me that it might have any connection to a fake moon landing.

Some time later I saw a copy of the Weekly World News at the grocery store that said something to the effect that "NASA DIDN'T REALLY GO TO THE MOON: IT WAS ALL A MOVIE!" I didn't think anyone would actually believe that, though. That was long before I learned that WWN was started as a parody, but people bought it mainly because they actually believed the [Rule10] in it.

I first learned that there are people who really believe this when I saw a news item about Buzz Aldrin's punching BS; that kind of piqued my curiousity, so I started looking into it online. I found Bad Astronomy and Clavius; I also read BS's web site, along with an interview with Bill Kaysing. Then, on February 1st, 2003, a friend's cousin, who teaches history, told me that he sometimes has students ask him if the moon landings were faked. That was the wrong day for me to hear that; it's the day Columbia was lost. That's when I decided to get more involved in correcting the conspiracist [Rule10] that's online.

 

[000063]

It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628

Look at post #8 of the above thread.

I love how CTs like to think they're so important the government has to actually hire people to lie to them, despite having somehow fooled almost the entire world, including who knows how many professionals, for over forty years.

I also note how David C simply ignores Truegroup so he can talk about how Jay Windley ignores people. Complete lack of self-awareness. It says something that you lot prefer to attack the people rather than the evidence.

Jay specifically says in the linked thread that his answer or lack thereof either way will not change Rocky's opinion, so it's pointless. Rocky indirectly accuses Jay of being a liar (in "some people have claimed" fashion), then admits he has no evidence of such.

 

[Erock]

It's not nonsense. The evidence that the missions were faked is crushing. Here's a link to some of it.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487

At the politicalforum, you were completely buried. The guy debating you collated his responses into a blog - HERE. The thread shows almost no responses back on the matter.

The government is spending a lot of money on professional sophists who try to obfuscate the evidence.
http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=125628

No it isn't - they don't pay me. Perhaps you could link me to the application for doing this, I could do with the extra money

Your delusional paranoid observation is rejected. One could equally argue that you are a 'professional' forum poster whose objective is to incite anti-American feelings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn41RM-x4wA

Look at post #8 of the above thread.

I would strongly suggest you don't make those allegations here, unless you want to experience death-by-mod.