What's your theory about 9/11?

Hans Peper said:
It is called face perception, google it.

Albrecht Dürer pointed it out, that this system also works by cattle faces, because the brain detect that nose to recognise the animal.
A angered cattle in the bush, ready to mix you up, is also an enimie which should be detected of the perception system as quick as possible.

Now you must say :"How could Dürer know that 500 years befor it is discovered by modern science ? This could not be !"

I am sure that some of you can not get that horny guy out of their head, isn't it ? It is a the work of Jürgen. Some people say, that he was educated by Rembrand.
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Wait, what?

First of all, I'd still rather like a source. Are you talking about the thatcher illusion? That specifically only says that "[horizontal] inversion disrupts many fundamental aspects of face processing." So in other words, if features (eyes, mouth, usually) are mirrored/upside-down, it messes with our head. Nowhere can I read anything about mirroring vertically, nor half faces, let alone half cattle-noses. Where did Albrecht Dürer point it out? And how? By making (what I assume is) a woodcut of the nose of a cow? Err... I don't quite follow.
 
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Here is an experiment, where our face percepting system is comming in problems.

A rotating hollow mask. The brain get troubles and begins to make the face fit. But it does not work really good, as you can see.

A look from the inside at a face is a new view to that system, and it tryed to make the picture fit to an outside view.

If you whatch a few seconds, you feel sick in your body.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6LRxjqzkA

I only want to show, that our brain make the pictures fit. In case of that hollow mask, we notice it because it works not really good. In other cases we do not notice.
 
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Hans Peper said:
Here is an experiment, where our face percepting system is comming in problems.

A rotating hollow mask. The brain get troubles and begins to make the face fit. But it does not work really good, as you can see.

A look from the inside at a face is a new view to that system, and it tryed to make the picture fit to an outside view.

If you whatch a few seconds, you feel sick in your body.:D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc6LRxjqzkA
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Neat. But what does that have to do with the things I pointed out?
 
I just want to point out that Hans is using the fact that the brain will imagine faces to support his point that imagined faces are real.
 
Hans Peper said:
Now you must say :"How could Dürer know that 500 years befor it is discovered by modern science ? This could not be !"
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Well, the stuff is hanging in some of the most amazing buildings ever created. I must say you have a fascinating hobby, Hans (and I admit I googled you before I came up with the backwards chanting in Eyes Wide Shut).

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Hans Peper said:
dafydd,

I just found out, that I made a mistake.

I thought, that your old avatar is a pic of Stan Laurel. I have an IBM thinkpad with VGA screen. The avatars are quite little.

I must excuse myself. I failed . I do not want to hurt you.

Hans Peper
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Don't get sarky just because you cannot convince anyone here.
 
Mods, could Han's hobby be split to its own thread so we can get back on topic? I fail to see what any of this has to do with 911. I suggest an 'artists can foretell the future' thread in the paranormal forum.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Well, the stuff is hanging in some of the most amazing buildings ever created. I must say you have a fascinating hobby, Hans (and I admit I googled you before I came up with the backwards chanting in Eyes Wide Shut)...
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You have the permission. You are honest.

Your hint is as good as well !

Sometimes I feel like talking to the desert.
It will be more easy to convince people that the floor of the "ames room" is not horizontal. But later on, if they have a look at this room again, they fall back into their illusions.

But back to work

I checked all videomaterial I found about the set, to find that building looking like two parallel slabs, which is shown in the last minute of the movie.
I found a clip where they get ready to start with that scene. It was before sunset, just daylight. I can see all the ruins, but the building is not visible.

Could this building be placed into the background by special effects? Was it possible in 1987 ? There is a large space between the last ruin and the buildings.

Here are your "bloody" towers GREEDO and there are no other ruins. Anyone can say if special effects where at work ?

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Hans Peper said:
Here are your "bloody" towers GREEDO and there are no other ruins. Anyone can say if special effects where at work ?

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Those were features of the Isle of Dogs. The location where it was filmed.

I also fail to see either of the prominent features in the background can be thought to resemble either of the twin towers.

ETA: Are this Twin Towers inspired by Twins? Or the Blues Brothers? One is half as tall and twice as wide as the other.
 
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Loss Leader said:
I just want to point out that Hans is using the fact that the brain will imagine faces to support his point that imagined faces are real.
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I wanted to point out, that you must know, how your brain is working, when you want to analyse pictures. You must know, that your perception systems are not working serious.

And it is the same with your thoughts ! Optical and cognitive illuisions are the same construct. One let you see something, which is made up and the other let you think something which is made up.

So these cognitive illusions are most dangerous. If people know, how to create them, they can use it against you.

I think in case of 911 they have done it. Something is wrong with that story.
There must be cognitive illusions at work. It is very difficult to find and destroy a cognitive illusion.

Hans
 
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Tomtomkent said:
Those were features of the Isle of Dogs. The location where it was filmed.

I also fail to see either of the prominent features in the background can be thought to resemble either of the twin towers.

ETA: Are this Twin Towers inspired by Twins? Or the Blues Brothers? One is half as tall and twice as wide as the other.
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OMG! John Belushi and The Arnold are both in on the "predicting 9/11 years before Al Qaeda even existed" screenplay/conspiracy! I can see it all so clearly now!
 
ApolloGnomon said:
OMG! John Belushi and The Arnold are both in on the "predicting 9/11 years before Al Qaeda even existed" screenplay/conspiracy! I can see it all so clearly now!
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Gnomon, your shadow is over me.

You'r right. There was a women, who made a bomb attack to the brothers, to destroy their "house" in Chicago. Only the door resist. :D
 
Hans Peper said:
So these cognitive illusions are most dangerous. If people know, how to create them, they can use it against you.

I think in case of 911 they have done it. Something is wrong with that story.
There must be cognitive illusions at work. It is very difficult to find and destroy a cognitive illusion.

Hans
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You also think there was scriptwriter.

You have failed to offer any plausible explanation why we should assume there was a scriptwriter, illusion, or anything other than the "official" story.

Exactly what part was an illusion? The buildings people worked in for decades that are no longer there? I think we state those were real. As was the collapse. As were the planes full of folks who are no longer on this mortal coil.

Your unfounded assertion is in poor taste.
 
Tomtomkent said:
You also think there was scriptwriter.

You have failed to offer any plausible explanation why we should assume there was a scriptwriter, illusion, or anything other than the "official" story.

Exactly what part was an illusion? The buildings people worked in for decades that are no longer there? I think we state those were real. As was the collapse. As were the planes full of folks who are no longer on this mortal coil.

Your unfounded assertion is in poor taste.
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Misunderstanding. You mixed optical illusions with cognitive illusions.

I meant the facts are real, but the cognitive illusiuns are in the field of : who did it and why was it done and how.
Now, after 12 years we can see : Who had an advantage from 911 ? What happens since that day ?

What about the ruins on the isle of dogs ?:)
 
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Hans Peper said:
What about the ruins on the isle of dogs ?:)
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Good question. What about the ruins. Let's assume for a second that the film maker was NOT predicting 9/11, you know, like all the evidence points at. Does this mean he should have carried out extensive demolition and removed the Not-Monolith / Not-Twin-Towers before filming in the ruins so they would not give this apparent "message"?

And there is no misunderstanding. You said there was a scriptwriter in a previous post. You said there was an illussion but had not defined it so I asked you to list which aspects of the events you think were illusisionary. You have failed to answer.


Once again I find your unfounded, and now twice unsupported claims to be in poor taste. Please stop trying to define real life events that have caused very real pain to very real people in terms of staged entertainment.
 
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