What's your theory about 9/11?

Edx said:
I wonder if anyone will make a 911 CT movie like JFK in the future.
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God forbid if that happens! Oliver Stones JFK is entertainment, as far as I know. Flight 93 atleast captured the real events that happened to the flight.

We need someone like James Cameron to capture 9/11 in its true form. If another Truther ever thinks of messing up 9/11, there's going to be alot of negative reviews for it, just like Loose Change.
 
aggle-rithm said:
Here is what I would like to ask Dylan Avery:

"If you were to make a movie dramatizing the 9/11 attacks and how they were carried out, what would the plot be?"

He would then be faced with the embarrassment of admitting that he, as an aspiring filmmaker, couldn't think of anything.
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My take would be that he could think of something but it would require that he commit to that something and disgard many other senarios. That is something that many in the TM are loath to do. that is why they will defend several mutually exclusive contentions.

Its the 'you don't know for sure, no one does' POV. Its the same POV that, when taken to the extreme, allows them to seriously speculate that dramatic movies such as "Star Trek" or "The Matrix" are docuementaries. Its a POV that removes the requirement of falsifiability.
 
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cyclonic said:
Most truthers wouldn't know what 'hypothesis' means.
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hmmmm, musing, musing,,,,,,,

'hypo' would denote something that is compact, small, concise and 'thesis' is a disseratation based upon reaserch

Would the complicated contentions of the TM be better described as 'hypertheses'?:D
 
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9/11 Chewy Defense said:
God forbid if that happens! Oliver Stones JFK is entertainment, as far as I know. Flight 93 atleast captured the real events that happened to the flight.

We need someone like James Cameron to capture 9/11 in its true form. If another Truther ever thinks of messing up 9/11, there's going to be alot of negative reviews for it, just like Loose Change.
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They should have a 911 CT film but at the end the twist is that Richard Gage is a reptilian.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Since you ask it so politely here is 'my' theory:

how911wasdone.blogspot

I spent 2 full months (Nov + Dec in 2008, that is 2 months in the 50% income tax range since 2008 was a very successful year) in writing it down with a little intellectual help from my friends here at JREF:

forums.randi.org/showthread.php?

The reception here was mildly positive :D

Enjoy.
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Well, I reached the video in the blog spot in which the voiceover referred to obviously gas cut steelwork as evidence of explosive cutter charges before my scoff alarm kicked in. Virtually all the core columns were still standing for some height from ground level AFTER the collapses and were subsequently cut down by on site demolition teams to safeguard workers.

Anyone who mentions thermitic chemicals and shaped cutter charges as being the same thing clearly has NO understanding of how either substances work. Apologies if similar debunking has already been filed.

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jaydeehess said:
I only just decided to read some of this thread and thought I would offer my take on the events of 9/11

No doubt in my mind:
- 4 aircraft were hijacked by 19 Islamic Jihadists intent on using these machines in suicide missions to cause as much death and destruction as they could to symbols of American wealth and power
-the damage and death at the Pentagon was caused by the impact of Flight 77
-the death and destruction at the WTC complex was initiated by, and the direct consequence of, the impacts of Flights 11 and 175
- flight 93 crashed into a feild in Penn.

Some details I am not sure of:
-how much did the special fire codes that were in effect for the PANYNJ affect the spread of the tower fires?
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Oh, Jaydee - I feel you've hit a whole bunch of nails on their heads with that one !
As a thirty year building veteran in the U.K. I looked in horror at the speed at which the fire spread in both Towers and have absolutely no doubt that no such laxed attitudes to fire resistance will be tolerated in any future buildings.
 
jaydeehess said:
My own nit pick---

Unless a senario includes concrete evidence to bolster it I prefer the word 'contention' as opposed to 'hypothesis'.

'To contend' connotes, to me, that this is purely the opinion of the person and not neccessarily bolstered by any evidence. A hypothesis, again to my mind, connotes a senario designed to reasonably mesh with all available evidence.
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That's a fair point. I was using "hypothesis" in the loosest sense possible, which was simply to denote a proposed concept extending from nothing more than one or two simple arguments prior to considering evidence or context. You're right, though, even that gives conspiracy fantasies too much credit for logic. Even my normal word choice - proposal - is too lenient and forgiving. What these conspiracy "hypotheses" end up being are attempts to distort and dissuade. Nothing more. Even many of the resident truthers here have openly stated that their objective is little more than to instill doubt about the shibboleth they call the "official story". So there's no need to use terminology implying that they're trying to build knowledge, or even a coherent argument. At best, with few exceptions (Steven Jones, admittedly) all they're trying to do is negate. So sure, even hypothesis is a term that bestows too much credit on them. I can agree with that.
 
jaydeehess said:
Some details I am not sure of:
-how much did the special fire codes that were in effect for the PANYNJ affect the spread of the tower fires?
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The NIST reports do discuss those code differences quite a bit. NCSTAR 1-1, chapter 4 has quite a lot on this, and from what I can tell, it's only the start in that series of reports. I will have to defer to engineers and architects here in the forum on this, but I take it that the deviations from standards set in normal NY City Codes (which the PANYNJ weren't obligated to follow, BTW) weren't relaxations of standards as much as they were simply different standards. Correct me if I'm wrong, though; I'm no engineer. Anyway, the NIST reports do cover this. It's just dense reading, but the info is there.
 
1stClassAlan said:
Oh, Jaydee - I feel you've hit a whole bunch of nails on their heads with that one !
As a thirty year building veteran in the U.K. I looked in horror at the speed at which the fire spread in both Towers and have absolutely no doubt that no such laxed attitudes to fire resistance will be tolerated in any future buildings.
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Crash a fuel laden heavy jet into any occupied UK office building in a way that destroys the pipes for the sprinkler system and the fire would also spread quickly.
 
Hi Cyclonic,

Major problems with your analysis.


cyclonic said:
The suicide bombings of the kobar towers,african us enbassies and the uss cole showed al queda has lunatics willing to die for their twisted beliefs.
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Hardly anything new or surprising. Wahhabi/Deobandi Muslims have been sacrificing themselves to convert the globe to Islam for over two hundred years.


cyclonic said:
The algerian terrorist hijacking of flight 8969, an air france a300,on 24 december 1994, was to be used as a missile and flown into the Eiffel tower.
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This is incorrect. There is some suspicion that the hijackers intended to blow up the airliner over the Eiffel Tower, however the sources for this claim are questionable, and the behaviour of the hijackers makes this explanation unlikely. More likely it was an alternative ending if their demands weren't met.


cyclonic said:
So 6 years before 9-11-2001 islamic terrorists were ready to use jetliners as flying bombs and hit civilan targets this should have set off alarm bells at boeing,airbus amd other aircraft manufacturers to make their planes hijack proof.
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Until 9/11 airline hijackers (including GIA) had consistently shown a reluctance to kill passengers, preferring to use them as hostages. Locking hijackers out of the cockpit would simply have encouraged them to execute passengers who otherwise could have been saved.

(Prior to 9/11 your odds of surviving an airline hijacking were actually pretty good)



cyclonic said:
president bush ignored that cia memo warning of "bin laden determined to strike in the us" on august 6 2001 which mentions hijackings.
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You've obviously never actually read the memo. It referred to three-year old intelligence that was so vague as to be utterly meaningless. Worse, it suggested that law enforcement had the situation under control.


cyclonic said:
Even if he deployed armed troops to stand guard at airports and warned the public about possible hijackings this would have made the 911 hijackers very insecure and maybe fail their missions.
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Yeah I bet Americans would have loved that. :rolleyes:
 
Can you imagine the customers reactions if you told them to add an hour to their boarding time, that they had to take off their shoes and belts, no liquids were allowed in their carry ons, no lighters were allowed and that their loved ones couldn't say goodbye/welcome them at the gate on 9/10/01? That wouldn't last very long at all.
 
T.A.M. said:
I believe that 19 Arab hijackers, as part of Al Qaeda, and working at the behest of OBL, carried out the 9/11 attacks. In preparation for their attacks they were possibly assisted by members of Saudi and Pakistani Intelligence. I believe that they were able to successfully carry out their attacks because of (A) A sense of invulnerability held by the USG and its agencies at the time, (B) Animosity between intelligence agencies, and (C) lack of preparation (ATC/NATO/NEADS/FAA) in dealing with four simultaneous hijackings, where the planes were used as missiles.

TAM:)
TAM:)
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I concur with TAM. Those US living, peniless and uneducated cave dwellers made an audacious plan and learned to fly.

As a side note though - I have always believed that from a planning and strategic point of view (or simply common sense) that an inside job carried out by the USG or Jews or NWO would have best been done at night, rather than in broad daylight and on the clearest and brightest day in September.

Imagine the night time senario. Absolutely perfect for an inside gubmint job.

No live news footage. No tourist photographs. No eye witnesses and the president tucked up in bed asleep rather than at a school and open to speculation of foreknowledge etc etc etc.

Or is it more likely that those cave dwelling terrorists couldnt cope with flying at night as they simply couldnt navigate in the dark. You tube would be dead had it been a nightime attack. The TM would be dead without youtube. Long live Youtube for the entertainment value given for so long by so few.
 
Did the terrorists use the on board instruments in the plane to navigate their way to the targets or some other way of navigation (I know nothing about flying)?
 
tj15 said:
Did the terrorists use the on board instruments in the plane to navigate their way to the targets or some other way of navigation (I know nothing about flying)?
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They used major landmarks such as the Hudson River to navigate. They probably practiced on Microsoft Flight Simulator or some similar cheap software.
 
Sam.I.Am said:
Can you imagine the customers reactions if you told them to add an hour to their boarding time, that they had to take off their shoes and belts, no liquids were allowed in their carry ons, no lighters were allowed and that their loved ones couldn't say goodbye/welcome them at the gate on 9/10/01?
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Doesn't that describe El-Al? (if you increase the time prior to boarding even more)
 
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