Moderated What's wrong with porn?

[Southwind17]

Reasonable is not always the same as Reason.

It's never the same. The first is a 10-letter, 4-syllable adjective; the second a 6-letter, 2-syllable noun or verb, depending on context.

 

[FSMLovesYou]

What's wrong with porn?

1) You're not humping the actress yourself for starters, that other dumb muscle is...

2) The dumb muscle always gotta have a big weiner, it makes me feel uncomfortable having such a small tinker downstairs, whilst the dumb muscle has a 10 incher and pounding her like she's a punch bag :Z

3) The dumb muscle "comes" a bucket load, while my squirt gun runs out of juice the instant I feel any sensation.

4) Its porn.

Its porn, and I pound the parsely regularly to it anyways.

 

[JFrankA]

No need to apologize in advance! I'd say "reasoned concern" would be more accurate.

You know, I like that. It is fear, but it's not an irrational one.

... said Bill just as Monica dropped to her knees!


So Bill Clinton simply decided to jeapordize his presidency, political career and marriage. That seems somewhat "irresponsible" (or is foolishness a valid defense?!)! Wake up and smell the coffee JFrankA.

Now you're getting it. Yes. It WAS irresponsible and foolish. People make irresponsible and foolish decisions all the time and sexual arousal isn't always the reason nor is it the only reason why they do.

It was their choice to do what they did. She could've said "no", he could've taken a break and relieve himself, or he could've thrown her on the desk, push all the papers to the ground knocking everything off, have sex with her and while doing it, call in some people to come join in.

It was their decision. Aren't there times when you are aroused and you decide to deal with it because you are at work or something? You mean to say that the moment you get hard or a woman gets wet we all lose control? Really? If that were true then why don't more women just start having sex indiscriminately throughout the day with just anyone?

Get real. Life is not a porno movie.

Again - no need to apologize in advance.

Thank you.

 

[amb]

Average man squirts a teaspoonful. The large amount shown in porn flicks is egg white with artificial colour.

 

[Southwind17]

You know, I like that. It is fear, but it's not an irrational one.

No - it's "reasoned concern", as I wrote. It needs no interpretation or re-phrasing.

Yes. It WAS irresponsible and foolish. People make irresponsible and foolish decisions all the time and sexual arousal isn't always the reason nor is it the only reason why they do.

So, it seems we are agreed, then, that sexual arousal can be a legitimate reason for "irresponsible and foolish" behaviour. Good. And I suspect we would agree that if a highly intelligent US president is susceptible to such powers of sexual arousal to the extent that his ensuing "irresponsibility and foolishness" can extend to his risking his presidency, political career and marriage, then it is not unreasonable to conclude that many other people would behave similarly. Good. Let's just compare a couple of possible consequences of such "irresponsibility and foolishness" now:

1. Impeachment, removal from presidential post, failed political career, divorce.
2. None - the kid will never say a word - I'll make sure of that.

I'm inclined to say "I rest my case" now, but I'll hold back for a moment just in case you still haven't smelled the coffee and I need a double espresso.

It was their choice to do what they did. She could've said "no", he could've taken a break and relieve himself, or he could've thrown her on the desk, push all the papers to the ground knocking everything off, have sex with her and while doing it, call in some people to come join in.

You just don't see it do you? There was no choice. You might like to think there was from the comfort of your armchair, but from where Bill was standing (and Monica kneeling), I assure you, JFrankA, Bill certainly had no "choice"!

It was their decision. Aren't there times when you are aroused and you decide to deal with it because you are at work or something?

You really don't realize what you're admitting here, do you! "Decide to deal with it". Jeez JFrankA - I couldn't think of a more apt phrase to conjure up what I might expect a child molester's excuse to be: "I just decided to deal with it". Actually, there is a better "excuse": "I just couldn't help myself from dealing with it", which is exactly what's happening when you go jack off at work. Do you think jacking off at work is appropriate behaviour? Would you confess to your boss that that's what you do? Of course not. It's entirely inappropriate, BUT YOU CAN'T HELP YOURSELF, which is exactly the point, YOU CAN'T HELP ACTING ON SEXUAL IMPULSE.

Actually, I think I will rest my case now that you've shown that you agree with it. Moreover, that you offer a very apt example that you couldn't relate to better!

I'm just so glad I took you off ignore. What in blue hell was I thinking!

Thank you JFrankA - thank you so much.

 

[RandFan]

Have you seen many men wearing bikinis walking through your suburb lately?!

There are a hell of a lot of transexuals wearing women's clothing in America. So why can't men wear burkha's?

Yes - it's strange how modernity seems to be tenaciously irreversible, isn't it!

More rhetoric. You said I don't know why women wear burkhas. Ok, what ever that reason is, why don't more women in the west adopt it?

 

[RandFan]

How is it that this is appropriate in your mind? This isn't addressing points I've made. This is being obtuse. Are you sincerely interested in a discussion?

I've not treated you this way.

 

[RandFan]

Well you know what my reasoning is. I'm desperately hoping you don't claim that you don't!

Speculation, bias and appeal to emotion.

• Children are statistically likely to be harmed by VCP (there is a perceived threat).
• VCP is disgusting and no one should defend it.
• Our concern for children should be greater than any concern of loss of freedom for perverts.

Well I suppose you didn't claim that you don't know (I wonder - is claiming to not know and not knowing one and the same? I suppose it is, if you really don't know! )

Which point do you dispute or deny?

SW, you are not discussing or debating in good faith. You are simply resorting to sophistry, using only rhetoric.

It's disappointing and IMO it's dishonest.

 

[RandFan]

This isn't an answer to anything SW. It's simply childish rolling of eyes.

 

[MontagK505]

No - it's "reasoned concern", as I wrote. It needs no interpretation or re-phrasing.


So, it seems we are agreed, then, that sexual arousal can be a legitimate reason for "irresponsible and foolish" behaviour. Good. And I suspect we would agree that if a highly intelligent US president is susceptible to such powers of sexual arousal to the extent that his ensuing "irresponsibility and foolishness" can extend to his risking his presidency, political career and marriage, then it is not unreasonable to conclude that many other people would behave similarly. Good. Let's just compare a couple of possible consequences of such "irresponsibility and foolishness" now:

1. Impeachment, removal from presidential post, failed political career, divorce.
2. None - the kid will never say a word - I'll make sure of that.

I'm inclined to say "I rest my case" now, but I'll hold back for a moment just in case you still haven't smelled the coffee and I need a double espresso.


You just don't see it do you? There was no choice. You might like to think there was from the comfort of your armchair, but from where Bill was standing (and Monica kneeling), I assure you, JFrankA, Bill certainly had no "choice"!
You really don't realize what you're admitting here, do you! "Decide to deal with it". Jeez JFrankA - I couldn't think of a more apt phrase to conjure up what I might expect a child molester's excuse to be: "I just decided to deal with it". Actually, there is a better "excuse": "I just couldn't help myself from dealing with it", which is exactly what's happening when you go jack off at work. Do you think jacking off at work is appropriate behaviour? Would you confess to your boss that that's what you do? Of course not. It's entirely inappropriate, BUT YOU CAN'T HELP YOURSELF, which is exactly the point, YOU CAN'T HELP ACTING ON SEXUAL IMPULSE. Actually, I think I will rest my case now that you've shown that you agree with it. Moreover, that you offer a very apt example that you couldn't relate to better!

I'm just so glad I took you off ignore. What in blue hell was I thinking!

Thank you JFrankA - thank you so much.

Are you speaking from personal experience of just from imagination?

Bill still had the choice. He made the wrong one.

Or are you claiming knowledge he had a stash of porn in his desk?

Or perhaps he had a special form of pedophilia that sees female interns as children?

 

[Toke]

So SW can't stop himself from acting on sexual impulse, disrespects porn actresses, and have a strong belief in the manipulative effects of media.

Sounds like a sexually repressed fundie to me.

 

[MontagK505]

So SW can't stop himself from acting on sexual impulse, disrespects porn actresses, and have a strong belief in the manipulative effects of media.

Sounds like a sexually repressed fundie to me.

The idea that media causes people to commit harmful acts may actually encourage such behavior.

This doctrine simply serves to justify in the minds of people who want to continue with their chosen behavior because they can now claim, “I couldn't help myself! <insert a favorite bogyman here> made me do it!”.

You frequently hear defense attorneys use this argument.

This in turn encourages the prigs who want to stick moralistic proctoscopes up everyone's behind.

 

[JFrankA]

No - it's "reasoned concern", as I wrote. It needs no interpretation or re-phrasing.

It's a good term. Again thanks. Now, I'm sorry, I'm going to get rough with you with the following:

So, it seems we are agreed, then, that sexual arousal can be a legitimate reason for "irresponsible and foolish" behaviour.

You've either got a short memory or have conviently forgotten my point. You can say that for any emotion. ANY emotion. Doesn't have to be sexual. Further, they both had a choice. I've listed them out before but since you've missed it, I suggest you should follow your own advice and read back a couple of posts I had made.

Good. And I suspect we would agree that if a highly intelligent US president is susceptible to such powers of sexual arousal to the extent that his ensuing "irresponsibility and foolishness" can extend to his risking his presidency, political career and marriage, then it is not unreasonable to conclude that many other people would behave similarly. Good. Let's just compare a couple of possible consequences of such "irresponsibility and foolishness" now:

1. Impeachment, removal from presidential post, failed political career, divorce.
2. None - the kid will never say a word - I'll make sure of that.

I'm inclined to say "I rest my case" now, but I'll hold back for a moment just in case you still haven't smelled the coffee and I need a double espresso.

You are twisting my meanings, ignoring my point completely, and disregarding anything I've said that doesn't fit with your beliefs.

Go and read back a couple of posts. This time, comment on my entire thing instead cherry picking only the parts you like.

You just don't see it do you? There was no choice. You might like to think there was from the comfort of your armchair, but from where Bill was standing (and Monica kneeling), I assure you, JFrankA, Bill certainly had no "choice"!

There is always a choice. Saying that there is none gives a person permission to rape anyone whenever they feel the urge.

You really don't realize what you're admitting here, do you! "Decide to deal with it". Jeez JFrankA - I couldn't think of a more apt phrase to conjure up what I might expect a child molester's excuse to be: "I just decided to deal with it". Actually, there is a better "excuse": "I just couldn't help myself from dealing with it", which is exactly what's happening when you go jack off at work. Do you think jacking off at work is appropriate behaviour? Would you confess to your boss that that's what you do? Of course not. It's entirely inappropriate, BUT YOU CAN'T HELP YOURSELF, which is exactly the point, YOU CAN'T HELP ACTING ON SEXUAL IMPULSE.

Are you telling me that when you at work and get aroused, you have to relieve yourself because you can't help acting on sexual impulse.....?

How do you keep your job?

Actually, I think I will rest my case now that you've shown that you agree with it. Moreover, that you offer a very apt example that you couldn't relate to better!

I'm just so glad I took you off ignore. What in blue hell was I thinking!

Thank you JFrankA - thank you so much.

You better come off your rest. You've proven nothing. I'm sorry if I sound mean or offensive but all you've done was ignore my point, twist my meanings and cherry picked what I said to fit your beliefs.

Read my posts and comment on the entire thing.

I'll leave you with this: Get real. Life isn't like a porno movie. People don't become insane because they are aroused. I'm sorry, you sound like a teenager.


ETA: Here's a hint. Re-read this post http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5340069&postcount=2179

 

[RandFan]

You've proven nothing. ...all you've done was ignore my point, twist my meanings and cherry picked what I said to fit your beliefs.

Read my posts and comment on the entire thing.

I have to say that I only read SW's response first. I was a bit confused. After reading your response I went back up the thread of this particular discussion.

JFA: The sexual urge is not strong enough to make someone lose control.
SW: ... said Bill just as Monica dropped to her knees!
JFA: Now you're getting it. Yes. It WAS irresponsible and foolish. People make irresponsible and foolish decisions all the time and sexual arousal isn't always the reason nor is it the only reason why they do.
SW: So, it seems we are agreed, then, that sexual arousal can be a legitimate reason for "irresponsible and foolish" behaviour.

How does "legitimate reason" follow from A.) "not strong enough to make someone lose control" and B.) "was irresponsible and foolish"?

I think the points made by JFrankA are as follows: Sexual urges are only part of a dynamic. They might be, in part, am impetus to act but to do so would be foolish and irresponsible. Hint: NOT a legitimate reason to act.

 

[quadraginta]

If you cannot comprehend that what I've written and, ironically, those extracts that you've chosen to quote(!), is not intended exclusively, then I'm afraid you're appealing to the wrong person for help here. Just the words "Things like fear" [emphasis added], which you've even highlighted(!), serve as sufficient proof.
Top Tip: spectacles are invariably less expensive than English tutorage and can actually improve your looks to boot!

Sad. SW. Very sad.

You know, sometimes, when someone points out to you that your fly is unzipped the wisest course of action is not to exclaim loudly to everyone else in the vicinity that it's only three quarters unzipped.

Sometimes it's wiser just to zip it and keep your mouth closed.

 

[fuelair]

This isn't an answer to anything SW. It's simply childish rolling of eyes.

How can it be childish (?) - it's a choice on the primary list in a skeptic forum!!!!!

 

[fuelair]

Now, a laughing dog or pancake-headed rabbit might be convincingly childish under the right circumstances - but you have to hunt them up........

 

[quadraginta]

This isn't an answer to anything SW. It's simply childish rolling of eyes.

How can it be childish (?) - it's a choice on the primary list in a skeptic forum!!!!!

I'm confused. Are you disputing ... or defending his point?

 

[fuelair]

I'm confused. Are you disputing ... or defending his point?

Neither - though toward defending by sarcasm...mostly making jokes since that is mostly where I am on the overall thread!.

 

[JFrankA]

You know, I have another example that illustrates how wrong you are in stating that "YOU CAN'T HELP ACTING ON SEXUAL IMPULSE." And I warn you, the following is personal.

I write, film, direct, edit my own porno. I am never ever in front of the camera. I never participate in any of the acts. My porno is my fetish, the things I fantasize about because there in rarely any porn in main-stream that explores my fetish. At the time, I had not seen it at all. I actually watch my fetishes and fantasies unfold live before me involving very beautiful, sexy women I would go to bed with in a heartbeat. With all that, I can't help to be very sexually aroused when I shoot a scene.

I can tell you honestly I have never, ever had sex with any of my models. Ever. I've wanted to, and with my fetish it's very easy to take advantage of my models, but I do not. The most I've ever done was a hug.

Why? Because I am hiring these models as a business. I have to remain professional, I have to remain business like. If I take advantage, I may possibly lose trust, they may "black ball" me from other models, I might have to pay my model more, and I could develop a reputation in the local adult film circle. All not worth it for my business. The trust I get from my models outweigh any sex I could have at the time. I choose to have a good reputation over "getting some".

In other words, I CAN help myself on sexual impulse. I can keep it in my pants. I can control it. I usually do. Whether it's filming or alone, I can stop it. I have other personal instances in which I can describe. However, I don't need to. I know sexual impulse can be controlled because everyone does every day.

If sexual impulse was so strong, so overwhelming, the actual sexual act would be done in the streets and the office and seen as acceptable. The "pizza guy and the horny girl" scenario would be common place, hell guys would deliver pizzas for free.

When someone cheats on someone else, when they risk a lot for sex, it's not just and not always sexual impulse or desire that drives them to do it. There's a whole bunch of other factors.

It's the choice of the individual to act, how to act, when to act and why they act on a sexual desire while sexually aroused, and there are tons of reasons why they do, and sometimes people have sex for a bunch of other reasons and not one of them is sexual arousal and desire.

It is always a choice. Always.