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Moderated What's wrong with porn?

Appeal to Authority.
Appeal to authority isn't necassarily a fallacy. If I had to choose between a politician and social scientists I would go with the social scientists. Note that is what the courts have gone with.

...and undermine your stance.
Asserting that it is true doesn't make it so.

That's why I posted them.
We know that you embrace the Meese report and if Meese is right, and you concur with the extracts then you want to ban pornography.
 
You are the one that embraces the Meese report. The one that has nothing whatsoever to do with Virtual Child Porn. The one that wants to restrict or ban pornography.
Oh, I get it. It's the mod action, isn't it, and the fact that it demonstrates that you've let your emotions get the better of your objectivity!

Regardless - are you not going to objectively point out that JFranK was the first to embrace it? The very person to whom you see fit to defer, when it suits, but conveniently alienate when it doesn't?

Yes - I see what's going on here. :rolleyes:
 
Regardless - are you not going to objectively point out that JFranK was the first to embrace it? The very person to whom you see fit to defer, when it suits, but conveniently alienate when it doesn't?

Yes - I see what's going on here. :rolleyes:
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I embrace the data. No link was found. Meese was honest enough to submit all the data for publication. His commentary has been ignored by the courts. If you embrace it then you want to ban or restrict the subject of his investigation, right? How could it be otherwise?
 
Appeal to authority isn't necassarily a fallacy. If I had to choose between a politician and social scientists I would go with the social scientists.
What, any social scientists?!

Asserting that it is true doesn't make it so.


We know that you embrace the Meese report and if Meese is right, and you concur with the extracts then you want to ban pornography.
If the extracts show a conclusive causative link between what Meese believes and what I desire then you might well be right! If not, then all I can say is asserting that it is true doesn't make it so!
 
What, any social scientists?!
No, the ones that Meese hand picked. The ones who were employed by him. The ones he paid. If they were good enough for him they are good enough for me.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=18210
broken record
If you keep asserting things I will keep pointing out the facts to you.

If the extracts show a conclusive causative link between what Meese believes and what I desire then you might well be right!
Thank you. There is no link. Now can we end this thread? Or is this an instance of special pleading?
 
I don't understand why anything other than "if you don't like porn, don't watch it" should be applied.
 
No, the ones that Meese hand picked. The ones who were employed by him. The ones he paid. If they were good enough for him they are good enough for me.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=18210 If you keep asserting things I will keep pointing out the facts to you.

Thank you. There is no link. Now can we end this thread? Or is this an instance of special pleading?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand RandFan going on SW's ignore list in

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No, the ones that Meese hand picked. The ones who were employed by him. The ones he paid. If they were good enough for him they are good enough for me.
So which parts of the extracts that I've posted above did they disagree with, acknowledging that many of the extracts are citations that stand alone from the Meese Report?

If you keep asserting things I will keep pointing out the facts to you.
Like a well-trained circus pony, you mean?

Thank you. There is no link.
So your assertion is wrong then. There you go - you're right!

Now can we end this thread?
Oh ... I see ... you want to end the thread, but you're afraid to leave alone. You could ask JFrankA to hold your hand, again!
 
So which parts of the extracts that I've posted above did they disagree with, acknowledging that many of the extracts are citations that stand alone from the Meese Report?
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Meese's commentary have zero effect on legislation. Meese's data (all of the data) is often used to demonstrate that there is no link between porn and rape or any other harm. Meese's commentary is self serving and not taken seriously. You won't find it in any landmark legisltion or action or anything. It's just propaganda.

Oh ... I see ... you want to end the thread, but you're afraid to leave alone.
Actually, apart from you there is some good discussion in the thread. Sugarb is willing to discuss and not impugn motives or cast aspersions. I'm happy for the thread to continue. Your contributions? Not so much. A number of individuals who disagree with my position have thanked me for my contributions so it's actually a productive thread.
 
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Actually, apart from you there is some good discussion in the thread. Sugarb is willing to discuss and not impugn motives or cast aspersions. I'm happy for the thread to continue. Your contributions? Not so much. A number of individuals who disagree with my position have thanked me for my contributions so it's actually a productive thread.
The last few pages have been quite good, if you can get yourself on SW's ignore list we can avoid all the pointless semantic filler. :)
 
The last few pages have been quite good, if you can get yourself on SW's ignore list we can avoid all the pointless semantic filler. :)
:) We can hope. I was thinking to slow down the pissing contest. I'm not going to respond to every slight of his. It's unfortunate that egos have to get in the way of important subjects and I accept responsibility, in part, for that.
 
Quick answer before I go to sleep.

...the guy who collect Manga did just that: collect Manga. He didn't see anything arousing in what he bought, it was just what he collected.

Not all Manga has sexual content, indeed, most isn't:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manga



That's it. Just a collection of comics. He probably had no idea that what he was buying could even be considered illegal.

So part of my answer is that: he didn't see it as porn! It was a comic book. One of many that he collects. Just a few of them had sexual situations, they're legal in Japan, they are just drawings, and they are one of many many different kinds of comics he collected.

Simply, he didn't see, or know or even dream of them being illegal!

More to the point of your question, why do people smoke pot? It's illegal, clearly, but quite a few people do, including the people who send the pot smokers to jail.

Hi, JFrankA. I don't know why people smoke pot (I never have, though I gather I'm missing out on something). Because it makes them feel good? Because they are addicted?
 
My comic collection have suffered some losses in my recent move, but there is still one Japanese one with some few inch tall winged fairies. They are described as quite old and are very woman shaped, but I wonder if they would be illegal in the US?


BTW: On my recent vacation I went through Holland and stopped at a coffee shop to smoke some weed. It is around 10 years since i tried last, it is fun, if you like that type of buzz, and non addictive.

10 years, well not go out of your way to get fun.
 
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My comic collection have suffered some losses in my recent move, but there is still one Japanese one with some few inch tall winged fairies. They are described as quite old and are very woman shaped, but I wonder if they would be illegal in the US?


BTW: On my recent vacation I went through Holland and stopped at a coffee shop to smoke some weed. It is around 10 years since i tried last, it is fun, if you like that type of buzz, and non addictive.

10 years, well not go out of your way to get fun.

:) Hello, Toke. The only addiction that I am really familiar with is alcohol addiction, and because that is so..."normal" in our family, I simply figured it would be best for me to avoid other things. Except cigarettes. I failed at that. When I quit drinking, I started smoking...traded addictions, in other words. So I really don't have any idea if it is addictive, and probably shouldn't have included that as a possible reason.
 
This may be a little off topic (though I'm not sure), and I haven't finished reading it yet, but I ran across this, and it mentioned Poser and is discussing computer generated images (and from what I'm getting, establishing proof that images are real children or based on real children), and there is a set of four boxes with an age progression example. I thought some of you might find it interesting, or maybe it could aid in our discussion in some way.

It is on page 26 of this pdf. (I think Poser is mentioned on page 25)

http://192.138.214.75/highlights/stuorgs/jhtl/publications/V4N1/JHTL_Kreston_Article2.pdf
 
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This may be a little off topic (though I'm not sure), and I haven't finished reading it yet, but I ran across this, and it mentioned Poser and is discussing computer generated images (and from what I'm getting, establishing proof that images are real children or based on real children), and there is a set of four boxes with an age progression example. I thought some of you might find it interesting, or maybe it could aid in our discussion in some way.

It is on page 26 of this pdf. (I think Poser is mentioned on page 25)

http://192.138.214.75/highlights/stuorgs/jhtl/publications/V4N1/JHTL_Kreston_Article2.pdf
Thanks, some very good information. Particularly that as of now the time needed to produce virtual porn that is indistinguishable from real porn is time and resource prohibitive.
 
Thanks, some very good information. Particularly that as of now the time needed to produce virtual porn that is indistinguishable from real porn is time and resource prohibitive.

Hello, RandFan. Right...I forgot to mention that in my previous post as I was reading still. But there is also a discussion of Final Fantasy, and how long it takes to create these types of images (wow, a LOT of time!). It took me back to my thoughts that prohibiting mere possession probably isn't a good idea, because it is simply *so* time consuming, that it seems to me, on a personal level of private possession, that would be perhaps a very, VERY good outlet for someone afflicted with what many might consider inappropriate thoughts. Still, distribution is another matter...but...I was under the impression that it *could* be made to be indistinguishable, and what I'm understanding here is that it really isn't possible yet?

Looking for as much up to date information as I can find. I'm technologically challenged, folks. I admit it. I really do not know *what* is possible these days in terms of computer graphics.
 
Hi, JFrankA. I don't know why people smoke pot (I never have, though I gather I'm missing out on something). Because it makes them feel good? Because they are addicted?

My apologies SugarB, I answered that question a little quickly and I was tired.

What I was trying to say was that there are some things that are illegal that many people try to acquire and use. Pot being one of them, mainly, I'd imagine, because I don't use it either, because it's relaxing, it makes them feel good, and it's an escape for a short while.

It's the reason why I play World of Warcraft a lot, (though that isn't illegal), because it's harmless, it relaxes me, it's fun and an escape, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

In the case of legal porn, I would go to say it's the same reasons, only with an emphasis on relief. :) But porn is as diverse. What would, err, relieve one person might not work for another.

A person pursues illegal porn for the exact same reason another person would pursue legal porn.
 

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