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Moderated What's wrong with porn?

It was merely an observation leading to a little playful ribbing, but it's obvious that your humour sensory gland by-pass has been a resounding success

If I ever get into psychology I'll do my thesis on the following question:

"Why is it that when someone makes a joke and another person doesn't get it, they automatically assume that that person's sense of humour is broken ?"
 
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I don't know. One of the arousing things about porn, to me, is the impression that the woman is enjoying herself. Clearly, if her state of mind is important, then she's not objectified, no ?

Hmm, what does it mean to be objectified?
 
It must feel so deflating to have made over 15,000 posts here and have nothing to show for it! :rolleyes:

Clearly, you're trying to break my record, then.

Honestly, if you don't like my posting style why don't you simply ignore me ? You've already "threatened" me of doing that for a while now. Not everyone here has a ready library of links to post. Some of us are simply trying to point out that what you're saying doesn't make sense.

ETA: BTW - "revert back" is a classic tautological blunder, on the off chance you're interested!

Good point. Irrelevant, but good point.

You find asparagus disgusting, ergo you don't like it.

Indeed. So you wouldn't ask for a more detailed explanation. Why do you ask Ron to provide you with one for urine ?
 
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Personally? I don't consciously favour any objectification, including staged. Why (and this is arguable)? Because it could be misconstrued by some as acceptable behaviour. The same reason I don't endorse simulated rape. OK, it might be true that the vast majority of people subsequently viewing it "know what's what", and it might also be true that there's an inverse correlation between porn and rape (I stress "might" here - I don't know), but I struggle to see how the simulation of any misdemeaner for third party enjoyment could be fully validated as serving to counter it. There are always exceptions.

I honestly feel that one cannot fully divorce one's fantasies from reality. To my mind, if a man fantasises about raping a woman, for example, that shows some deep-routed desire to rape, regardless of how faint, and passing it off as fantasising is somewhat of a cop out. Fortunately, most men are capable of resisting any physical urge that such fantasy might conjure. Unfortunately, however, a few men cannot, and anything that serves to feed and legitimize such behaviour, even if only in the eye of the beholder (to use your term) could be dangerous.

Objectification, and any other arguably derogatory act, seems no different to me, in principle.

In answer to the ability to divorce fantasy from reality, I believe that most people can. Those who can't, again my opinion, are the ones who have some kind of mental problem.

Let me put it this way: is there a difference between playing poker at home for a few dollars with your buddies and playing poker at an illegal casino at $10000 an ante?
 
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Theres a lot of things wrong with porn. The girls are often just out of highschool and while 18 may be a legal age to perform these acts I'm of the opinion that these kids are being exploited. Some of the things they do they could not possibly enjoy and some are downright injurious to their physical and mental health.

How do you know that? This sounds like nothing more than your opinion. You do know that models can refuse, and often do refuse, to do scenes no matter the age?

Girls in this business often want to leave and do other kinds of work but since their activities are on video this can be used against them later in life. How would you like to be a secretary and someone find out what you did for your first job?

Hey, I make porn as a side business, use my real name and hold down a "9 to 5" non-porn job. Some people here know I do it, and it's no big deal. I know quite a few women who do porn and hold down a "9 to 5" non-porn job. Some of them are young, some of them are professionals, etc.

There might be one or two employers who have problems with someone doing porn on their off work hours, but that is something that has been fought in the courts.

How would you like to have children and they one day find out how Mommy used to make a living? I feel that these kids will one day regret what they did and their mistake will be on video for all the world to see.

Who says that doing this is a mistake? Who says that all people feel regret? It's a choice that the people involved makes.

People who don't like you and plain busybodies often research your background. Why give them ammunition? There is a video on youtube that shows just how many former porn stars are dead. Suicide, drug over doses and aids. The porn industry is hard even on the men.

I'm sorry, but you're using youtube as evidence? You do realize that one could get a ton of evidence that ID is real by youtube as well.
And I'm afraid you won't find any real porn on youtube, either. Hell, with a little creative editing I could make a vid showing that Chelsea Clinton did porn.

I'm not a prude. When porn first became legal I was the first to go to the cinema and watch it. I'm getting old though and looking at kids young enough to be my grandchildren engaged in the industry is alarming to me. We didn't have aids in my day and drugs weren't as strong as they are now. People seemed more decent. I feel that the actors particularly the barely legal girls are being exploited.

I'm sorry, again, but your arguement is "think of the children"?

It seems to me you're also saying something to the effect of "Well, it was alright in MY day when I watched it...."

No insult meant, just a very one-sided view in my humble opinion. I'm fourty-six years old and I've filmed models who are twenty years younger than me, and even though they may look young, I know they do because of my age relative to theirs. At any rate, it's their choice, it's legal and there's really nothing wrong with it.
 
I would say its a low status profession in that its not really something considered benefitial to have on a resume'. It uses its employees up, treats them poorly and discards them. If our (US) society had more respect for sex or sex workers it might be different - and maybe its changing. But for now its pretty demeaning and not a career stepping stone - not something people choose when they have a choice IMHO. I'd rather be wrong.
Really? People don't choose to do porn when they have a choice to do something else?

I'll give you an anecdote: I knew a woman several years ago who was working in porn. No one incredibly famous or anything. She was working in porn despite having a PhD in physics. She actively chose to do porn. She enjoyed the job, and liked the fact that it paid better than any job she could have gotten with her PhD.

I'll give you another anecdote: That same several years ago, I posed for pornographic pictures. It was amateur porn, not professional porn, and the pictures were distributed (published, if you will) through various internet means. I did it because I wanted to. And I did it for free, because I enjoyed doing it. There was no "chosing" between doing porn and doing something else. I did the porn in addition to the other things that were going on in my life. And it hasn't adversely affected my life, even years later. I have no qualms about admitting that I've participated in making porn to anyone, even my own child.

I know more than a few people with similar stories.
 
Say, if all taboos on porn were to disappear, wouldn't it take some of the fun out of it?
Kind of like, say, pot becoming legal?

The great Internet revolution has already shattered my sense of being special.
I used to think that my kinks were dark devious and special, no one should even know.

Now there is a whole production company in California that caters to my tastes. They make video's with high production value, great sets, great models and got in the news recently because they trained camera people on a subsidy from the state. (Until the state found out they made porn and the subsidy was revoked, hence the news value).

Now I can discard my fantasy of being a Marquis De Sade living in his castle with his special kinks. I am in fact one of many consumers of a high-end product with a broad customer base.

Bummer.
 
I don;t believe so. In fact I think it'd become more popular as the prudes of this nation raise their voices against it.
 
I'll give you another anecdote: That same several years ago, I posed for pornographic pictures. It was amateur porn, not professional porn, and the pictures were distributed (published, if you will) through various internet means. I did it because I wanted to. And I did it for free, because I enjoyed doing it. There was no "chosing" between doing porn and doing something else. I did the porn in addition to the other things that were going on in my life. And it hasn't adversely affected my life, even years later. I have no qualms about admitting that I've participated in making porn to anyone, even my own child.

After reading this long torturous discussion about why porn actresses would deserve disrespect, may I offer the opposing view?

I respect this.

I respect this like I respect my friend who took the plunge and started his own company, and another one who took part in a cage-fighting tournament (and lost). I respect it like I respect individuals who travel around the world, publish a book or do something out of the ordinary and are not afraid to explore.

Hell, I'd do porn if I thought that I could muster the Herculean sex performance that seems to be required of porn actors.

SkeptiChick, more power to you and you'd still be welcome to come have Christmas dinner with my family.*

There.

*Provided you promised to do your best to talk my my wife into a threesome.:p
 
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After reading this long torturous discussion about why porn actresses would deserve disrespect, may I offer the opposing view?

I respect this.

I respect this like I respect my friend who took the plunge and started his own company, and another one who took part in a cage-fighting tournament (and lost). I respect it like I respect individuals who travel around the world, publish a book or do something out of the ordinary and are not afraid to explore.

Hell, I'd do porn if I thought that I could muster the Herculean sex performance that seems to be required of porn actors.

SkeptiChick, more power to and you'd still be welcome to come have Christmas dinner with my family.*

There.
Thank you for that. Very much. :)

*Provided you promised to do your best to talk my my wife into a threesome.:p
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Really? People don't choose to do porn when they have a choice to do something else?

I'll give you an anecdote: I knew a woman several years ago who was working in porn. No one incredibly famous or anything. She was working in porn despite having a PhD in physics. She actively chose to do porn. She enjoyed the job, and liked the fact that it paid better than any job she could have gotten with her PhD.

I'll give you another anecdote: That same several years ago, I posed for pornographic pictures. It was amateur porn, not professional porn, and the pictures were distributed (published, if you will) through various internet means. I did it because I wanted to. And I did it for free, because I enjoyed doing it. There was no "chosing" between doing porn and doing something else. I did the porn in addition to the other things that were going on in my life. And it hasn't adversely affected my life, even years later. I have no qualms about admitting that I've participated in making porn to anyone, even my own child.

I know more than a few people with similar stories.
Cool, and well done!! :):):)
 

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