Moderated What's wrong with porn?

[tesscaline]

The reason I interpreted your post the way I did, namely your disgust in a general context and not a personal context, was because of what you wrote in brackets. I was assuming that you (Ron) are male, so unless it's really "Ronette", your bracketed addition puzzles me. As a male I should have thought that you would be keen to cite much more than just taste as putting you off drinking that particular fluid! I could be assuming too much though, and you might well be gay. On reflection I can see that your words seem to make your position clear, but the bracketed part still leaves some doubt in my mind as to your intended meaning. Perhaps you could confirm your gender and sexual orientation, just to clear matters up.

You do realize that women do have an equivalent substance, don't you?

And what exactly does one's gender or sexual orientation have to do with disgust at the ingestion of a particular substance anyway? Oh right. Nothing.

 

[Southwind17]

You know what? Nobody here who is not already involved in some way with porn folks has bothered to go talk to the women actually making porn to hear what they have to say about it.

Sort of reminds me of Crackers sitting around discussing "what colored folk want."

I'm with RandFan on this. Should people who are not "already involved in some way with porn folks" really be expected to go and search out some porn actresses and solicit their views? Is that a serious suggestion?

You might have picked up earlier that I live in the Middle East. Perhaps you could buzz me a few GCC porn production company addresses that I could drop in on on my way into the office tomorrow. I couldn't see any on the Internet!

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

You do realize that women do have an equivalent substance, don't you?

And what exactly does one's gender or sexual orientation have to do with disgust at the ingestion of a particular substance anyway? Oh right. Nothing.

What SkeptiChick said

My gender and orientation is completely irrelevant to this matter. You asked me why I don't drink urine and I responded.

Additionally, the other options Frank listed also apply to me (and I would be, most people who don't drink urine) as well.

Regarding cum, the reasons I don't taste it are: 1) I'm not interested in it, 2) I don't like the smell (which repels me enough to ever want to find out about the taste); and 3) I'm not gay, therefore, the chances that I'll end up drinking cum in a sexual relationship are quite low.


And to summarize and re-clarify, once again, I do not look down on people who enjoy doing watersports, cumshots or bukkake just because I don't share their fetish.

 

[Southwind17]

You do realize that women do have an equivalent substance, don't you?

You do realize that the chances that Ron was referring to that particular substance in the context of "drinking" it are about the same as the chances of Coca Cola getting around to bottling it any time soon!

And what exactly does one's gender or sexual orientation have to do with disgust at the ingestion of a particular substance anyway? Oh right. Nothing.

Ingestion by that person himself/herself? Quite a lot, I'd say. Ingestion by others? Quite a lot too, I'd say (the precise point I've beed seeking clarification on).

Please try to keep up SkeptiChick.

 

[tesscaline]

Ingestion by that person himself/herself? Quite a lot, I'd say. Ingestion by others? Quite a lot too, I'd say (the precise point I've beed seeking clarification on).

Please try to keep up SkeptiChick.

No, they really have nothing to do with each other. There are gay men who don't like to drink that either.

 

[Ron_Tomkins]

SW, I believe you have now officially avoided my question twice. I'm gonna bring this once again and ask you to please answer it:

So explain to me why am I being irrational by stating my will to lose respect for someone who has offended/attacked me, but you feel you have the right to disrespect people just because they engage in certain types of pornography you find distasteful.

 

[quixotecoyote]

This makes little-to-no sense to me. A person cannot be personified, by definition. Only non-human things can be personified. Consequently, one cannot meaningfully contrast objectification with personification.

I can't help thinking that you're just spoiling for a spat here quixotecoyote, but if not you'll have to be much clearer as to what it is you're getting at if you want me to participate further. I'm more than happy to respond to clear, direct questions and enter into debate, but if I'm unclear as to what's being asked of me or what the issue at hand is I'm not prepared to risk being ensnared on the back of vagueness. I'm more than familiar with that peril.

Are you even reading anymore?

Allow me to sum up:

You: Porn objectifies women, that is bad.

Me: Really, so in the rest of your life you don't objectify people?

You: I object to the phrasing you used for 'don't objectify people.'

Me: Well, how would you phrase the opposite of objectifying people?

You: I have no idea, but personification might be appropriate in a literary sense.

Me: I doubt that's appropriate in this context, but after the snits you got in about imprecise language, I'm sure you've considered your word choice and will be ready to elaborate.

You: How unfair, personification is a ridiculous word choice here, you must be spoiling for a fight as you're so vague and evasive.

Me: Are you even following this conversation? Allow me to recap:

 

[The Painter]

Sort of reminds me of Crackers sitting around discussing "what colored folk want."

I'm not really sure what point Ben is making

He is playing the race card. If you don't like porn.....you're a racist. How this is relevant, I'm not sure.

 

[quixotecoyote]

He is playing the race card. If you don't like porn.....you're a racist. How this is relevant, I'm not sure.

In The Painter's deck, everything looks like this:

 

[quadraginta]

Sort of reminds me of Crackers sitting around discussing "what colored folk want."

I'm not really sure what point Ben is making

He is playing the race card. If you don't like porn.....you're a racist. How this is relevant, I'm not sure.

I thought he was trying to draw an analogy concerning people who pontificated about the feelings and experiences of others that they hadn't bothered to have any real contact with.

I thought that the analogy was relatively appropriate, including the connotations of assumed inferiority.

Perhaps there was some subtle nuance I missed.

 

[RandFan]

I thought that the analogy was relatively appropriate, including the connotations of assumed inferiority.

Perhaps there was some subtle nuance I missed.

???

I'm in the twilight zone. Perhaps there was some discussion that I missed. In which case I appologize. Where was this assumed inferiority?

 

[BenBurch]

I thought he was trying to draw an analogy concerning people who pontificated about the feelings and experiences of others that they hadn't bothered to have any real contact with.

I thought that the analogy was relatively appropriate, including the connotations of assumed inferiority.

Perhaps there was some subtle nuance I missed.

You would be correct.

 

[RandFan]

You would be correct.

I guess I'm on ignore. Oh well. I'm guessing that if porn stars don't want to be in the porn industry that they could choose another profession. Forced labor, AIU, is illegal. I've no idea if that is responsive to the issue at hand but no one will answer me so I'll make up my own conclusions.

Problem solved.

Your welcome.

 

[quadraginta]

???

I'm in the twilight zone. Perhaps there was some discussion that I missed. In which case I appologize. Where was this assumed inferiority?

My reception of Ben's comment. He is not, of course, responsible for any misapprehensions on my part.

Certain posts have been made concerning the attitudes, experiences, and POVs of adult film performers. Some of these posts have been authored by people who have no personal contact with or experience of said performers. Some of these posts have been at least dismissive, if not actually biased against these performers as a group.

This seems to indicate an assumption of knowledge not unlike that of white "good ol' boys" discoursing among themselves about the experiences of blacks without having had any meaningful discussion on the subject with actual black people.

My apologies, Ben, if I have misrepresented your intent.

 

[RandFan]

My reception of Ben's comment. He is not, of course, responsible for any misapprehensions on my part.

Certain posts have been made concerning the attitudes, experiences, and POVs of adult film performers. Some of these posts have been authored by people who have no personal contact with or experience of said performers. Some of these posts have been at least dismissive, if not actually biased against these performers as a group.

This seems to indicate an assumption of knowledge not unlike that of white "good ol' boys" discoursing among themselves about the experiences of blacks without having had any meaningful discussion on the subject with actual black people.

My apologies, Ben, if I have misrepresented your intent.

Thanks. Then I'm just out of the loop. Carry on.

FWIW: The opinions of porn stars are readily available on the Internet.

For those not familiar with the esoteric nature and complexity of search engines let me Goggle that for you.

 

[MontagK505]

Thanks. Then I'm just out of the loop. Carry on.

FWIW: The opinions of porn stars are readily available on the Internet.

For those not familiar with the esoteric nature and complexity of search engines let me Goggle that for you.

I suspect many of the posters on this thread are not very interested in what porn actors actually have to say.

They don't want it to interfere with what they want to believe.

Nice Link.

 

[RandFan]

I suspect many of the posters on this thread are not very interested in what porn actors actually have to say.

They don't want it to interfere with what they want to believe.

Nice Link.

I suspect that you are right. I suspect that had they lifted a finger to find the truth they would not bother to raise the point in the first place.

 

[MontagK505]

I suspect that you are right. I suspect that had they lifted a finger to find the truth they would not bother to raise the point in the first place.

Much like other forms of entertainment, porn does require the suspension if dis-belief on the part of the audience. The main thing I want, is to be convinced that everyone is having a good time. Some actors are more convincing than others. Some of the things people do are less convincing to me. Some videos are so lacking in production or acting quality I am unwilling to suspend my dis-belief.

 

[fuelair]

I thought he was trying to draw an analogy concerning people who pontificated about the feelings and experiences of others that they hadn't bothered to have any real contact with.

I thought that the analogy was relatively appropriate, including the connotations of assumed inferiority.

Perhaps there was some subtle nuance I missed.

There wasn't. Though there was a point that at least one other missed -on purpose I assume.

 

[BenBurch]

Thanks. Then I'm just out of the loop. Carry on.

FWIW: The opinions of porn stars are readily available on the Internet.

For those not familiar with the esoteric nature and complexity of search engines let me Goggle that for you.

No offense intended.