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Moderated What's wrong with porn?

Okay... but I'm a little confused now. Is your disrespect for porn stars due to how other people see the trade ? I thought it was your opinion ? Or did I understand that wrong ?
No it's how I see them. The claim which I have based on anecdotal data is different, although it could be said to be related, in that I believe the disrespect that I hold for certain porn actresses is held by "most"(!) people. Does that make sense now?
 
Yes, one of the conditions could be that it won't be published and yes, I would still consider that to be porn because that person is still having sex in front of a camera.

I'd think that's too broad. By definition porn is meant to arouse, which requires at least some level of publication.
 
No it's how I see them. The claim which I have based on anecdotal data is different, although it could be said to be related, in that I believe the disrespect that I hold for certain porn actresses is held by "most"(!) people. Does that make sense now?

Yes but I don't see why you brought it up, then. Who cares what "most" people think ?
 
Yes but I don't see why you brought it up, then. Who cares what "most" people think ?

Right. And who even knows what "most people" think? I could say that "most people" secretly wish their partners were like porn stars, and it would probably be just as valid (meaning, not valid at all). Have we entered into the realm of mindreading and psychic phenomena now?

Hello, Belz!
 
Okay, then. Why ? If it isn't harmful why wouldn't it earn your respect ? What's the threshold ?
I don't have a threshold as such - that's the point - respect is based on many factors, but porn actresses who display a certain behaviour lose a lot of respect with me, and whatever they do to compensate there's a notional threshold above which they will not pass. I'm genuinely puzzled as to why you have a pre-defined respect threshold that sits at the "harmful" level. Can you not think of somebody, either real or hypothetical, whom you would have low respect for even if they did not behave in a harmful way?

First off, a comment: I have no problem with it per se. Some people, I guess, are aroused by portrayals of rape. I think it's better to have them get off on watching this kind of stuff than actually, you know, commiting rape.
So, by the same token, then, you'd have "no problem with" the portrayal of child molestation, intercourse and sodimy (provided children are not involved, of course), right?

Let me ask you this: don't you think some men (not all, but some) predisposed to rape (assuming there are such men) might see legally published material portraying rape for arousal purposes as legitimizing rape? I think that's conceivable. If so, don't you think that such men might then be more inclined to rape? I think that's conceivable.

Second, a question: if the intent to arouse is the differentiator, is it the same with the rest of porn ? Does your disrespect stem from the intent to arouse, period ? If so, do you disrespect women with skimpy clothing, strippers, and all related jobs, hobbies and behaviours ?
No. The intent to arouse aspect only applies in the case of portrayed rape (and similar - as above).
 
The post refered to is about disrespecting Peter Cushing for playing a planetary scale mass murderer in a sci-fi movie and you segue into eating poop.
What was the “point” of that?
I'm off to work
The two are unrelated.

Have a good one. Don't overdo it! :)
 
Is there a reason that you feel as though your mind is superiorly warp free? That's a pretty low blow there.
Only that you and JFrankA proceeded to jointly psycho-analyse me like a couple of snidey grinning Cheshire cats and, at worst come up with, and at best imply, erroneous and, frankly, highly personal and somewhat offensive conclusions to say the least. That's all. I thought that was a pretty low blow (and, incidentally, bordering if not crossing the threshold of certain Forum Rules).
 
I don't have a threshold as such - that's the point - respect is based on many factors, but porn actresses who display a certain behaviour lose a lot of respect with me, and whatever they do to compensate there's a notional threshold above which they will not pass. I'm genuinely puzzled as to why you have a pre-defined respect threshold that sits at the "harmful" level. Can you not think of somebody, either real or hypothetical, whom you would have low respect for even if they did not behave in a harmful way?

Emotionally, perhaps, but I see no rational reason why I should.


So, by the same token, then, you'd have "no problem with" the portrayal of child molestation, intercourse and sodimy (provided children are not involved, of course), right?

How can you portray child molestation without involving children ? Cartoons perhaps ? Hell, the Japanese do it all the time :D

Let me ask you this: don't you think some men (not all, but some) predisposed to rape (assuming there are such men) might see legally published material portraying rape for arousal purposes as legitimizing rape? I think that's conceivable. If so, don't you think that such men might then be more inclined to rape? I think that's conceivable.

Didn't I just say, right above your paragraph, that I thought it may reduce rape ? Both are "conceivable". Without hard data I can't say for sure.

No. The intent to arouse aspect only applies in the case of portrayed rape (and similar - as above).

Odd. Why so ?
 
Now you hang on for a second. It *is* a fetish to objectify women in certain ways, and that isn't what pornography does. Pornography, if it objectifies anything, objectifies *sex*. As far as the people being objectified, that would obviously be both males and females. Bodies. In general.
You are SO naive sugarb! Either that or you're only talking what I call "marshmallow" porn, if you know what I mean.
 
Just so you see where I'm coming from, I will respond.

Yes, one of the conditions could be that it won't be published and yes, I would still consider that to be porn because that person is still having sex in front of a camera. And it's very likely that someone is going to watch it. The audience may well be just the participates in the porn, but it's still being watched.
Perhaps when you've decided in which ballpark to place your goalposts JFrankA we can have a meaningful discussion. I'm beginning to see why this thread has gone the way it has now! :rolleyes:

I think you'd be surprised.
.....but that's all my opinion. :)
Indeed ...
... but I doubt it ;)
 
This discussion is so bizarre at times that I don't understand whole sections of it.

Let me get this straight: you disrespect people (or women?) who would act out a rape fantasy?

seriously?
For the purpose of pandering to third parties who get off on the idea of somebody being raped, yep.
 
Right. And who even knows what "most people" think? I could say that "most people" secretly wish their partners were like porn stars, and it would probably be just as valid (meaning, not valid at all). Have we entered into the realm of mindreading and psychic phenomena now?

Hello, Belz!
Be careful sugarb!
 
Emotionally, perhaps, but I see no rational reason why I should.
So you have full respect for athletes who take performance-enhancing drugs then, for example. I wonder why they receive bans and have their medals retracted.

How can you portray child molestation without involving children ? Cartoons perhaps ? Hell, the Japanese do it all the time :D
With respect (and I do mean that on this occasion), I think that's a cop out. There's only a one day difference between a child and an adult (legally). Use your imagination (some pervs don't need to!). But if you like - yes - using cartoons. You see that as acceptable do you? Why do you see rape portrayal and child sex portrayal different, in principle?

Didn't I just say, right above your paragraph, that I thought it may reduce rape ? Both are "conceivable". Without hard data I can't say for sure.
But you're prepared to give a reduced rape correlation the benefit of the obvious doubt. That seems somewhat flippant.


Odd. Why so ?
I thought I'd made that clear with this essentially rhetorical question:
Let me ask you this: don't you think some men (not all, but some) predisposed to rape (assuming there are such men) might see legally published material portraying rape for arousal purposes as legitimizing rape? I think that's conceivable. If so, don't you think that such men might then be more inclined to rape? I think that's conceivable.
 

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