What will the Conservatives new "EU policy" be?

The key question is nothing to do with the constitution or treaty, whether it is a repackaged old one or something new, but rather should we leave the EU.

Labour want to stay in but are worried that the public will vote against it so they did not hold a referendum.

Tories don’t know if they want to be in or out but don’t want the party to be shown to be divided so are only in favour of a referendum while they are not in a position to grant one.
 
Uzzy said:
Who said anything about leaving the Free Trade Bloc?
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Well the french are the most obvious candidates.

In any case since you aparently support sending money to the EU with zero say on how it is used (you don't think being a non EU member of the EEA is free do you?) I fail to see how you can have any problems with the EU.

Anyway, I am a fan of referenda on key constitutional issues, and leaving the EU would be one of those. I'm also British.
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Both the act of union and act of settlement were passed without a referdum. I fail to see any need for them now.
 
I've no problem with leaving the EU, staying in the EEA (one assumes that the other member states would see the benefits of keeping one of the major trading nations in that bloc), and paying funds related to the various projects we take part in, such as Frontex. That seems to be how Norway manages it, and that's something I'd like to see us do.
 
Uzzy said:
I've no problem with leaving the EU, staying in the EEA (one assumes that the other member states would see the benefits of keeping one of the major trading nations in that bloc), and paying funds related to the various projects we take part in, such as Frontex. That seems to be how Norway manages it, and that's something I'd like to see us do.
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That isn't how Norway manages it. The Norway Grant is spent rather more on whatever the EU wants.
 
Uzzy said:
On the bright side, the Lisbon Treaty does have a mechanism for leaving the EU. One I hope Cameron puts into use as soon as possible (after a referendum on the issue, of course!)
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I can only see it as a catastrophic mistake for the UK to leave the EU. Why do you believe it would be a positive thing to do so?
 
Well, Norway manages it somehow. I'd have no problem following that example. Now, I think that leaving the EU would benefit the UK, as we'd no longer be subservient to EU laws. I don't agree with the continual drift of power away from Westminster either.
 
Uzzy said:
Well, Norway manages it somehow. I'd have no problem following that example.
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The fact that Norway manages it is because they have enormous quantities of Oil.

I don't agree with the continual drift of power away from Westminster either.
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Are there any signs of this happening?
 
Undesired Walrus said:
The fact that Norway manages it is because they have enormous quantities of Oil.

Are there any signs of this happening?
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I'd dare say that the UK has rather more economic clout then Norway. Also, given that much of our social, employment and criminal justice laws have to comply with EU rulings, I'd argue that this shows a drift in power from Parliament to the EU.
 
Lothian said:
What employment and Criminal laws come from Europe?
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Loads of employment stuff, most H&S regs since 1989 implement eu directives, also all the treaty of amsterdam equality stuff (just off the top of my head), can't think of any criminal law though.
 
Uzzy said:
Well, Norway manages it somehow. I'd have no problem following that example. Now, I think that leaving the EU would benefit the UK, as we'd no longer be subservient to EU laws. I don't agree with the continual drift of power away from Westminster either.
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Your post contains a contradiction - you say that "Norway manages it" and "we'd no longer be subservient to EU laws". Norway is subservient to many EU "laws" (that it has absolutely no input into) and it is a far more social democratic state than the UK is which means that it already implements much of the "EU legislation" many people in the UK complain about e.g. working hours, paternity/maternity leave & pay, workers' "protection" legislation and the like.
 
Uzzy said:
Who said anything about leaving the Free Trade Bloc? Anyway, I am a fan of referenda on key constitutional issues, and leaving the EU would be one of those. I'm also British.
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I'm Scottish and I am quite happy for England to leave the EU. Only as long as Scotland is independent and stays part of the EU. Then again our referendum may be blocked by guess who?

Labour, Tories et al are are hypocrites of the highest order.
 
Darat said:
Your post contains a contradiction - you say that "Norway manages it" and "we'd no longer be subservient to EU laws". Norway is subservient to many EU "laws" (that it has absolutely no input into) and it is a far more social democratic state than the UK is which means that it already implements much of the "EU legislation" many people in the UK complain about e.g. working hours, paternity/maternity leave & pay, workers' "protection" legislation and the like.
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However, pulling out the EU would allow us to decide exactly how many laws we want to be subservient to. There wouldn't be a continued creep.

Now, I don't know much about laws, but I know what the Bosman Ruling and the Kolpak Rulings are, something that's had great effects on sporting events in the UK, and are certainly examples of employment law being handed down from the EU (or rather, the EU Court).
 
Uzzy said:
I'd dare say that the UK has rather more economic clout then Norway. Also, given that much of our social, employment and criminal justice laws have to comply with EU rulings, I'd argue that this shows a drift in power from Parliament to the EU.
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Norway consistently leads the quality of life stats in europe and has a huge oil fund. Like the one the UK should have set up.
 
brodski said:
Loads of employment stuff, most H&S regs since 1989 implement eu directives, also all the treaty of amsterdam equality stuff (just off the top of my head), can't think of any criminal law though.
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And that is a bad thing? It certainly is not in the Explosion Protection industry (think Piper Alpha). The European type model is going worldwide soon for this industry. Most of the stuff from the directives come from the BS stuff along with a lot of the German TUV stuff and makes the rest of the EU safer, not so much us. We were already there most of the time.

There is a EU working time directive but employees can opt out.
 
Uzzy said:
However, pulling out the EU would allow us to decide exactly how many laws we want to be subservient to. There wouldn't be a continued creep.

Now, I don't know much about laws, but I know what the Bosman Ruling and the Kolpak Rulings are, something that's had great effects on sporting events in the UK, and are certainly examples of employment law being handed down from the EU (or rather, the EU Court).
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The treaties already allowed this free movement, the people who made the case were working for something already allowed that was being stopped by those sports, not the govt. The sports were in defiance of the treaty.
 
Uzzy said:
However, pulling out the EU would allow us to decide exactly how many laws we want to be subservient to. There wouldn't be a continued creep.
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One of the main points of the Lisbon treaty was to allow countries like the UK to opt in to involvement on justice, policing and immigration.
 
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For those against the EU (as it stands post-Lisbon Treaty) can you tell me exactly what legislation that can be said (in effect) from the EU that you object to and don't think we should have in UK law?
 
Darat said:
For those against the EU (as it stands post-Lisbon Treaty) can you tell me exactly what legislation that can be said (in effect) from the EU that you object to and don't think we should have in UK law?
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Life +70 terms on copyright which came from the Council Directive 93/98/EEC of 29 October 1993 harmonising the term of protection of copyright and certain related rights. Resale Rights Directive (got into UK law in the Artist's Resale Right Regulations 2006 )
 
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