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What will happen when EVERYTHING is recorded?

When everything is recorded...

We won't be able to find anything.

;)

I'd be more worried about some 15 year old's photoshop-crime image of you after you told him off



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What no one has mentioned with all this is that Google may become conscious and develop an agenda of it's own.
 
I'd be more worried about some 15 year old's photoshop-crime image of you after you told him off
I expect that for a while, that WILL be a problem.

After it has happened enough times, photographs will not be considered reliable evidence any more. In fact, that's happening already.
 
Really?

Here is what Kurzweil predicted in 1999 for 2009. Think how many of these things sounded nutty ten years ago:

1. Work groups are dispersed. People are successfully working together despite living in different places. (My job, among many others)

2. Average household has more than 100 computers -- that is, chips, -- most of which are embedded in appliances, entertainment and telephone systems, automobiles and even key chains. (Count all the colored lights in your house. And yes, USB on my keychain has a chip, and more memory than most computers in 1999)

3. Household robots have emerged but are not yet fully accepted. (Pretty good description of Roomba/Scooba)

4. Intelligent roads are in use, primarily for long-distance travel. They allow you to sit back and relax after your car's smart cruise control locks onto road's sensors. (Failed on this one)

5. Local roads though are still conventional. (grin)

6. Privacy has emerged as a major political issue. (Read all of this thread. Hmmm....)

7. There is a growing anti-technology neo-Luddite movement. (Yep. In fact, the person I am replying to is an example, at least as far as genetic engineering is concerned)

8. There is a continuing concern with an underclass being left behind by a lack of skill, although the size of this underclass appears to be stable, since most people seem to be keeping up. (This is just spookily accurate)

9. Most visual art -- especially performance art, photography an video -- are collaboration between human and their software. (Not so much performance art, but photography an video are definitely getting there)

10. Human musicians routinely jam with computer-generated musicians. (Partial fail. Happens, but very rarely)

11. Those who wish to create music no longer absolutely need the fine finger coordination of traditional pianists and guitarists. (True, but tools which make it possible are still expensive and not widespread)

12. There is a surge of interest in new "air" controllers in which you create music by moving your hands, feet and other body parts. (Wiiiii!!!)

13. Virtual reality is convincing in terms of what you see and hear, although transmitting sense of touch is still rocky. (Off by a few years. But is getting close)

14. In fact, creation of virtual reality environments is a form being addressed by artist. (Not yet)

15. Wars are decided by those who have the best and most secure computers. (Would have been true if wars were still fought between countries. Failure in predicting geopolitics, not technology)

16. Most conflicts are not between nations but between nations and terrorists. (Entirely true, although at odds with #15. Failure to fully imagine asymmetrical warfare)

17. The greatest threat to national security comes from bioengineered weapons. (Hard to say)

18. Cancer and heart disease mortality is being reduced by bioengineering. (Partial failure. It is being reduced, but mostly by other means)

19. There is serious speculation as to whether computers will ever be conscious. (In all fairness, there were already serious speculations on this topic in 1999)

If most of these points now seem to you "well, duh!", I repeat -- think of how things were in 1999, and how would all of them look to you then.

With this kind of record, I am inclined to take Kurzweil's predictions seriously.


err, how many of these predictions have come true by your count?

These 'points' seem anything but "well, duh". To the extent that any of these are actually substantial, they're wrong.

Which are the novel, unexpected predictions that have come true?

Household robots?
 
err, how many of these predictions have come true by your count?
Came true: 1, 2, 3, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 16, 19

Failed completely: 4, 13, 14

Partly true: 10, 11, 18

#17 - impossible to tell

#15 - depends on definitions, I would say partially true

#5 is meaningless without #4
 
Recording is more pernacious than you might think. Literally everything is a possible recording device.

Don't believe me? Okay, wireless networks. Signal strength is dependent on several variables. One is other signals. Those can be detected, and accounted for. Another is objects - physical things between the wireless card and the router.

You can detect movements of large objects - people, groups of people, vehicles, with a recording device tuned to recognize specific wireless signals and differentiate them. What would such a recording device look like? We call it a laptop.

Conversations are another one. Cell phones are being outfitted with chips to detect the speaker's voice, and filter out dissimilar sounds - noise reduction. Of course that allows you to filter out the speaker's voice, and hear background noise - other conversations, vehicles, etc.

And since cell phones come with a built in locator (federal law), that's pretty nifty.

Throw in the increasing digitalization of video cameras, automatic face recognition software, metrocards, EZ Passes, and credit cards tracking your locations, manditory ID for travel requests, automatic license plate recognition on police cars and stationary traffic cameras... yeah.

This is technology we have TODAY. These are things that are being deployed TODAY. For a number of reasons, for a variety of purposes.

But now we have to ask - what happens when we have no privacy?
 
Throw in the increasing digitalization of video cameras, automatic face recognition software, metrocards, EZ Passes, and credit cards tracking your locations, manditory ID for travel requests, automatic license plate recognition on police cars and stationary traffic cameras... yeah.

This is technology we have TODAY. These are things that are being deployed TODAY. For a number of reasons, for a variety of purposes.
And for TOMORROW, augmented reality contacts have been in the news recently. They're likely to not only have video capability, but thanks to recent advances with graphine memory, hundreds of hours of storage. Imagine a future when Twittering gets replaced completely with YouTubing.
 
But now we have to ask - what happens when we have no privacy?
Don't remember where I saw it: By 2040 a generation will have grown up to whom the concept of "blackmail" will make as much sense as divining the outcome of a military campaign by eviscerating poultry makes to us.

IOW, the idea that anyone has anything to hide, anything at all, will become absurd. Because nobody can.
 
People will hide things by double entendre, as they did to get sexual innuendo pass the 1930's censors....
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Seismosaurus,

Well, I wouldn't want that -- I prefer experiencing reality to a fantasy.

Actually I don't think too many people would want to be deprived of the ability to experience reality.
 
Seismosaurus,

Well, I wouldn't want that -- I prefer experiencing reality to a fantasy.

Actually I don't think too many people would want to be deprived of the ability to experience reality.

Define reality. Make sure to do it in such a manner that its both objective and subjective, as it must both exist and be perceived to exist.
 

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