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What Type of Theist or Atheist are You?

What Type of Theist or Atheist are You?


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There you go again with your misunderstandings and misquotes.
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Removed to comply with Rule 12

Yes, yes. Where was the misquoting, again? Please, point it out. Can't say that I'm particularly impressed to see that you had a Rule 12 edit, either.

I didn't say "human" is part of the definition of theist and atheist. I said "Only humans can be theists or atheists." (can you spot the difference?). If not, please don't bother to reply.

Of course I can spot the difference. I even directly addressed it previously. Strange that this is news to you. Only people can be atheists or theists, after all.

ETA - Definition of a theist = "A human that believes in a god or gods". Humans are the only thing we currently know and describe as "people".

"People - human beings in general or considered collectively." - https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=people+meaning

Yes, yes. Assume your conclusion and ignore any counterpoints that may have been raised. That's the way to win the argument! Have fun informing all those Sci-Fi and fantasy writers and readers that they're not allowed to consider non-humans people, theists, or atheists, simply because they're not human characters.
 
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Of course I can spot the difference. I even directly addressed it previously. Strange that this is news to you. Only people can be atheists or theists, after all.
But do you know and agree that only human people can be atheists or theists?

Yes, yes. Assume your conclusion and ignore any counterpoints that may have been raised. That's the way to win the argument! Have fun informing all those Sci-Fi and fantasy writers and readers that they're not allowed to consider non-humans people, theists, or atheists.
Well that answers my question above. Obviously you don't "know and agree".

You "talk" as if purely fantasy non-human "people" (fantasy characters) created by Sci-Fi and fantasy writers for fantasy entertainment purposes only, are or could be actually real, and are or could be actual theists and atheists. You do know you're not actually a "Crazy Little Green Dragon", right?
 
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But do you know and agree that only human people can be atheists or theists?


Well that answers my question above. Obviously you don't "know and agree".

You "talk" as if purely fantasy non-human "people" (fantasy characters) created by Sci-Fi and fantasy writers for fantasy entertainment purposes only, are or could be actually real, and are or could be actual theists and atheists. You do know you're not actually a "Crazy Little Green Dragon", right?

One wonders at your nit-picking, given that the OP is about types of belief in non-human fantasy "people" ('gods')...
 
There are both theists and atheists that can and do claim to “know”. It's totally appropriate therefore that the poll provides options for these people.
Sure, that's totally appropriate. But I got the idea that you were curious about why some people didn't like any of the options you provided, and why they might not be willing to just pick whatever seemed closest. I endeavored to explain why I did not feel comfortable picking any of the choices.

Based on your response, I rather get the idea that you don't really want to know what other people think.
 
One wonders at your nit-picking, given that the OP is about types of belief in non-human fantasy "people" ('gods')...
The poll is about what types of belief, non-belief, disbelief and knowledge in non-human fantasy "people" ('gods') actual human people have to define what type of theist or atheist they are.
 
Sure, that's totally appropriate. But I got the idea that you were curious about why some people didn't like any of the options you provided, and why they might not be willing to just pick whatever seemed closest. I endeavored to explain why I did not feel comfortable picking any of the choices.
You endeavored to do much more than merely that.

Based on your response, I rather get the idea that you don't really want to know what other people think.
You conflate “don't accept and agree” and “don't want to know”.
 
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...you sort of left that codicil out of what you actually wrote. Nix perspiro.
I'm happy that others can decide for themselves what the truth is. I'm sure they're capable of making their own minds up without needing to buy into derogatory spin.
 
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But do you know and agree that only human people can be atheists or theists?

Nope. The term would reasonably apply to any people who met the prerequisites, none of which are actually that the person in question is a human. That we don't currently have convincing evidence of any particular non-humans that qualify as people in reality is an entirely different matter from whether the term can reasonably apply to non-humans in the first place. The latter is what you actually claimed when you said -

Thought you would have known that theism and atheism apply uniquely to humans.

And it is also what was disputed. Yet, despite that, you're trying to defend the latter with the rather irrelevant former. Incidentally, I'm still waiting for you to either back up or retract your accusations of me misquoting you.

Well that answers my question above. Obviously you don't "know and agree".

You "talk" as if purely fantasy non-human "people" (fantasy characters) created by Sci-Fi and fantasy writers for fantasy entertainment purposes only, are or could be actually real, and are or could be actual theists and atheists. You do know you're not actually a "Crazy Little Green Dragon", right?

What a surprise. You're completely missing or ignoring the point while trying to throw in personal comments again. Rather than any concerns about whether they even could be real coming into play, they simply demonstrate quite well that being a "human" is of no real significance to whether the terms could apply properly, which destroys your argument entirely.
 
It's not as binary as you seem to propose. What if I'm 80/20 in one direction or another? That doesn't default to "no belief" or "belief" either one and the option which allows for a lack of a position does not equate to "atheism" as proposed. The notion that it is binary is absolute garbage.

While it is true that belief in religion tends to be described as binary (whether it really is or not), things like generic pantheism and animism actually do exist separately from religion, and neither obligates worship or an absolutist position on the existence of a deity. Is it still a "God" if you don't worship it? Well... that's where things get a little blurry. As far as I'm concerned, the whole damn question is nothing but word salad once you have enough discipline to ignore irrelevant traditions.

Also, what of the person that leans theistic on Wednesdays and atheistic on Mondays -- what label should we attach to those? One oddity about humans is that they tend to be inconsistent.

When the question itself is wrong, there can be no coherent answers.
 
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My cat isn't an atheist anymore so then she is a Republican or a Jungian or a Trekkie or Green Bay Packer fan.

You have to achieve a level of having some concept of something even being a question before applying the concept of having an opinion about it is anything more then a forced semantic quibble.
 
While it is true that belief in religion tends to be described as binary (whether it really is or not), things like generic pantheism and animism actually do exist separately from religion, and neither obligates worship or an absolutist position on the existence of a deity. Is it still a "God" if you don't worship it?

If something's being called a god solely because it's worshipped, or even if the worship is the tipping point, it probably isn't going to meet the more commonly accepted criteria of what constitutes a "god" with respect to theism and atheism. Of course, if that's even coming into play, definitions will fairly certainly need to be compared to keep things clear. "Money is a merchant's god," for example, is not employing a definition of "god" that applies to theism or atheism.

Well... that's where things get a little blurry. As far as I'm concerned, the whole damn question is nothing but word salad once you have enough discipline to ignore irrelevant traditions.

While it's true that one can generally break terms like theist and atheist apart from their common usage and down into greater and greater levels of specificity, that doesn't mean that the common usage isn't useful for common purposes.

Also, what of the person that leans theistic on Wednesdays and atheistic on Mondays -- what label should we attach to those? One oddity about humans is that they tend to be inconsistent.

Theist on Wednesdays and atheist on Mondays, perhaps, dependent on what more specific criteria are actually in play for the usage? Was there anyone who claimed that the beliefs of a person are immutable, unchangeable, or that atheist and theist were terms that were proscriptive instead of descriptive? One could note that it's generally not as arbitrary or mutable as you're suggesting, so using the term for a state that is represented significantly more during a representative period of time is generally within reasonable usage, too.

When the question itself is wrong, there can be no coherent answers.

True enough, though potentially inaccurate as a statement, depending on what, exactly, is "wrong." However, your objections here don't seem to actually demonstrate that this question is actually wrong, but rather that an excessively simple understanding of the concepts in play that shouldn't be in play is wrong.
 
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Also, what of the person that leans theistic on Wednesdays and atheistic on Mondays -- what label should we attach to those? One oddity about humans is that they tend to be inconsistent.

Yes well I suppose we have to consider that.

Also what about a guy who is Muslim on a Friday and Christian on Sundays,
or a woman who is lesbian on a Monday and hetero on Thursdays,
or a guy who is left handed on Mondays but right handed the rest of the week.

In the light of all these possibilities there's not much point in having poles about anything is there.:(
 

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