What to do is Loose Change is released to theatres

[Popeholden]

loose change can be very persuasive if you don't check their facts. i am sure they will use the same tricks in the final edition, and from their website avery & co want to release it to theatres.

i can't think of anything worse than throngs of people walking out of the theatre believing their lies.

 

[Dog Town]

Not gonna happen, not on a mjaor scale. A few old second run and re-vival houses maybe. Doubt it. LC "the film so good they had to give it away"!

 

[pdoherty76]

Its called free speech popeholden. I think loose change is crap but i hope it goes to every cinema in the world

 

[T.A.M.]

If you read between the lines, and even the front page of their new website, you can see that LC:FC is going to be ALOT different than the first two. I think it is going to be pulled way back in terms of accusation, and more of a "isnt this suspicious" type tone. I also think, given how watered down 2nd cut was c/w first cut, that FC will be a farce of a CT film.

We will see.

TAM

 

[pdoherty76]

i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films. So in a funny way the debunkers are helping them and forcing them to produce better films

 

[Josh Redstone]

Its called free speech popeholden. I think loose change is crap but i hope it goes to every cinema in the world

So you think that just because they can say a bunch of nonsense that has already been proven wrong over and over with the aim to convince other people of thier beliefs (even though they are wrong), that they should (even though you think it's crap?) What is the logic behind your thinking here (if there is any)?

 

[pdoherty76]

So you think that just because they can say a bunch of nonsense that has already been proven wrong over and over with the aim to convince other people of thier beliefs (even though they are wrong), that they should (even though you think it's crap?) What is the logic behind your thinking here (if there is any)?

my logic is that if these misguided filmmakers can be silenced by u lot then its the slippery slope to losing free speech.

If you have faith in people then showing this film wont make a difference because people will reject it

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Its called free speech popeholden. I think The Triumph of The Will and Birth of a Nation are crap but i hope they go to every cinema in the world

Amazing how interchangeable they are, isn't it?

 

[Popeholden]

doherty, you misunderstand me. i'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to release it, no...if they can find a distributor, then by all means release it. this is America, afterall.

but given that Avery & co have a history of heinously lying, i was wondering what the response from the media, the public, and skeptics would be.

 

[realitybites]

i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films. So in a funny way the debunkers are helping them and forcing them to produce better films

Sorry... that part just made me giggle a bit.

 

[pdoherty76]

doherty, you misunderstand me. i'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to release it, no...if they can find a distributor, then by all means release it. this is America, afterall.

but given that Avery & co have a history of heinously lying, i was wondering what the response from the media, the public, and skeptics would be.

firstly give me ur proof that they have lied

secondly, as i said before, this film will contain no errors because they know anal debunkers will be pouring over it

 

[Josh Redstone]

@Pdoherty

I do have faith in people, and I used to have no problem with having people see Loose Change, but lots of people don't have the knowledge the automatically know what's wrong with this film because a lot of that knowledge is not relevant to their day to day lives, or, they won't bother to go check the facts because they were so 'wowed' by the film. As such, I think the creators of Loose Change should exercise responsibility and release an edition of the film that is not riddled with uncorrected mistakes (and believe me, they know they've made the mistakes and not fixed them)....of course, then there'd be no conspiracy story to spin, and no money to make, so that probably won't happen. Honestly, as someone who claims to be interested in the truth, wouldn't you say the truth deserves better than Dylan & Co. are giving it?

 

[Skibum]

i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films.

If thats the case, don't you think the MPAA will have a problem with them pirating the films United 93 and World Trade Center under the name Loose Change?




* disclamer, I haven't seen either film so I don't know how much artistic license was involved in the making of the films.

 

[Matthew Best]

firstly give me ur proof that they have lied

secondly, as i said before, this film will contain no errors because they know anal debunkers will be pouring over it

Didn't you get the memo? They are putting deliberate errors into their movies, in order to make you go and do your own "research".

 

[pdoherty76]

@Pdoherty

I do have faith in people, and I used to have no problem with having people see Loose Change, but lots of people don't have the knowledge the automatically know what's wrong with this film because a lot of that knowledge is not relevant to their day to day lives, or, they won't bother to go check the facts because they were so 'wowed' by the film. As such, I think the creators of Loose Change should exercise responsibility and release an edition of the film that is not riddled with uncorrected mistakes (and believe me, they know they've made the mistakes and not fixed them)....of course, then there'd be no conspiracy story to spin, and no money to make, so that probably won't happen. Honestly, as someone who claims to be interested in the truth, wouldn't you say the truth deserves better than Dylan & Co. are giving it?

i agree but they arent the only people making films. the best ive seen is 911 mysteries and from what i can see there is no factual inaccuracies in that. if loose change disappeared tomorrow the theories will still get to people so u may as well leave them to it

 

[MarkyX]

i think they will make the final cut absolutely watertight because they know people are obsessively fact checking everything in their films. So in a funny way the debunkers are helping them and forcing them to produce better films

That might be true if they took our advice.

 

[StoneWT]

firstly give me ur proof that they have lied

secondly, as i said before, this film will contain no errors because they know anal debunkers will be pouring over it

You haven't paid much attention to Dylan and his scam artist friends. They have repeatedly said that they intentionally left errors (lies) in LC in order to get people to do their own research. This is patently false as it would make no sense to put false material in a film when someone would be just as likely to investigate valid statements. Valid statements would have the benefit of not turning away a truth seeker. If they knowingly put false info in their film, why do you trust them and have any faith that their next version will 100% correct? The truth of the matter is that the Three Stooges simply vacuumed CTs from the Internet and packaged a film to make money. The debunking exposures forced them to water down each successive version of LC. Claiming that they intentionally left the errors in is a way to save face. Also, they truly don't know what is false in their film. That's why members of the trio say that they don't endorse everything in LC, but you can't pin them down as to what is wrong.

The only way for the film to avoid errors (lies?) is to use the talking heads they interviewed and make insinuations. If they don't actually make accusations, they can't be proven wrong as they never really said anything.

 

[Gravy]

"We know there are errors in the documentary, and we’ve actually left them in there so that people discredit us and do the research for themselves."
– Korey Rowe
http://tinyurl.com/qruh7

Is pdoherty76 Korey Rowe? He does the same thing with his posts!

 

[StoneWT]

Gravy, I was thinking it might be someone in the TROOF movement. One of the three boy geniuses claimed he wasn't with the LC crew when they were speaking to that cop fellow in New York. How stupid do you have to be deny who you are? Was it the one abusing his military service for street credibility with the TROOFERS?

The three of them are extremely immature. Children play word games. Children lie repeatedly for the sake of winning an argument. Children fall back to insults and swear words when they lose a debate.

 

[Anti-sophist]

my logic is that if these misguided filmmakers can be silenced by u lot then its the slippery slope to losing free speech.

You keep using that phrase, but I don't think you know what it means.