What Really Happened on 9/11?

That's nice.

Actually, it wasn't. That was a nasty attempt to both appeal to pity for Jones and King, while and the same time trying to demonize rwguinn as a 'stalker'. Cheap shots from Roxdog are par for the course I guess. I wonder why nobody wants to go on his 1/2 bit podcast?
 
That's nice.

I didn't ask if my "theories" debunk your "facts".

I asked if you acknowledge that the conspiracy requires the five events listed.

Yes or no?

Are you really surprised at your lack of an answer, Claus?

His kind are are excellent at asking leading questions but sucky at answering direct ones.
 
...I honestly don't think anyone anywhere has the technology to pull off such a conspiracy. It simply isn't possible for someone to plant demolition charges on a building of that size without anyone noticing. It's absurd.
Never mind that if "the government" wished to create some sort of crisis, there are on the order of several thousand easier, simpler ways to do so.

Never mind that if "the government" was intent on doing such a thing, they didn't have a follow-up plan for another event or events in place to ensure continued unease on the part of the general populace.

So, in short, never mind.
 
Actually, one of the govt's top demo specialist said it was a controlled demo the day of the event.

conspiracybeliever,

There is one organization which is universally regarded to be the world's leading "experts" in explosive demolition. That being Controlled Demolition Inc. (the Loizeaux family).

Shortly before Christmas, I noticed in discussions on various message boards that a web page was being linked which quoted David Ray Griffin after he had delivered an address in New York on 10/15/05. This was one of the quotes...
"Dr. Griffin provided the name of a demolition expert employed by Controlled Demolitions Inc. and his statements to the effect that this type of “collapse”, could only have been done through a planned event, using precisely placed explosives."

I had a suspicion this was probably just more of the mountain of 9-11 bul***it being circulated on the Internet, so I decide to make contact with CDI to get at the bottom of it.
I sent them this email...
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Gentlemen,

Speaking as an American, I am in desperate need of your assistance.
You may or may not be aware that upwards of six hundred thousand pages of the World Wide Web are now devoted to advancing "theories" to explain the events of 9-11. One of the widespread claims being that the three skyscrapers in the World Trade Center were collapsed by "controlled demolition" .
It has now gotten to the point that one of the individuals in the forefront of this, a former Professor of Religion at the Claremont School of Theology (Claremont, California), Dr. David Ray Griffin, is making the claim that "a demolition expert employed by Controlled Demolitions Inc." is stating that "this type of collapse could only have been done through a planned event, using precisely placed explosives".
Dr. Griffin's claim is being advanced on the Internet as we speak. And believe me a great many people are reading this. A claim which is now directly involving the reputation and credibility of your organization.
I ask you to please set the record straight. Is it or is it not true that anyone involved with your organization has made this statement? And does anyone in your organization believe that the three skyscrapers of The World Trade Center may have collapsed due to controlled demolition?

Sincerely,
Bob XXXX

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I received this email reply...
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Bob,

Thank for your email and your concern for the reputability of our organization.
Of course, we’ve been aware of the numerous ludicrous conspiracy theories floating around out there and have received literally thousands of emails containing everything from simple questions to unveiled threats. Our position up until now, as a family and a firm, has been that “to acknowledge the claim is to lend it credibility” and therefore, they should be ignored.
After reading your email, however, I’m afraid we may have to take a new tack.
To put your mind at ease, I can assure you that NO individual from CDI made any such statement as that purported by Dr. Griffin, and I would greatly appreciate your forwarding me a link to the page where this is stated. If he has, indeed, committed libel in some regard, rest-assured that legal action will shortly follow.
Thanks again for the “heads-up.” I look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Regards,
Stacey
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Stacey S. Loizeaux
The Loizeaux Group, LLC
Controlled Demolition, Inc.
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland 21131 USA

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The web page with Griffin's claim is still on the Web as of today, conspiracybeliever. And that quote is still being circulated like it was truth. Just like most every other piece of utter bul***it that is trying to be passed off as the "9-11 Truth Movement"

p.s. I'm not allowed to post url's here or I would have supplied the link. If anyone wishes to see it for him or herself just send me a personal message and I'll give you the link that way.
 
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Conspiracybeliever,

Answer Claus' questions. You know you want to.....

Here they are again, if you missed them the first time:

What you are suggesting is a conspiracy on a scale so vast that it would require hundreds - probably thousands - of people:
  1. Knowing about this, way in advance - working, of course, together with the hijackers.
  2. Working on this, for many months.
  3. Hauling a lot of explosives into the towers.
  4. Placing the explosives at the right spots, with nobody catching on.
  5. Maintaining absolute silence, then and now.
Do you acknowledge this? Yes or no, please.

You know what else I'm convinced of? I'm convinced that if there weren't hundreds of independently recorded clips of UAL175 hitting the south tower, and at least the one known clip on AA11 hitting the north tower, these conspiracy nuts would be arguing that NO planes hit ANY of the WTC towers at all.

Just answer Claus' questions, you nitwit.
 
BTW...I wonder what KAZ's impression was, I mean did she think that the floors below her were being blown-out?

Any thoughts Robert Lancaster?

:)
 
What really happened on 9/11 is that I was helping my gran prune some trees in her back garden. I remember it well, cos around 3pm my mum called to tell us to switch the telly on.



(Strangely enough, it was in the midst of reporting on the Pentagon. So for a whole ten minutes I was sitting there thinking, "holy s*** dude, they've attacked the Pentagon, this is so freaky"... then they did the 'in case you've just joined us' schtick, :jaw-dropp )
 
Good question. Let's get a commission to investigate.

Hey, no need for all the large type in your post: I agree with you that the destruction of WTC 1, 2 and 7 were controlled demolitions.

They were controlled by the laws of physics.

As for a commission, first you have to demonstrate the need for one.

You'll need to show that what you say is remotely (no pun intended) possible. It's instructive to watch one of the programs that shows the the enormous amount of preparation work necessary to be sure a large structure will fall in a controlled way, WITHOUT the intervention of airliners and raging fire. To say that the WTC collapses were "controlled" in the way a demolitions company would want them to be is absolute nonsense. Just look at the massive damage the buildings did to everything around them. Repairs are STILL going on at buildings the CTists claim weren't damaged at all, and you can see the 15-story gash in the Deutsche Bank building with your own eyes, along with the building that was destroyed next to it. There are some Ground Zero photos I took on Friday here–click on the "St. Paul's/Ground Zero photoset. What the CTists mean is "Isn't is suspicious that those buildings fell pretty much straight down?" No, it isn't. They were controlled by the laws of physics.

Conspiracybeliever, if you wan't people to take you seriously, you'll need to give people ANY reason to believe the following:

1) A crew of conspiring world's-best demolitions experts gets thousands of pounds of equipment and explosives past security and takes it on freight elevators to the necessary floors. (Alternatively, they sneak the equipment in in little pieces over a period of years and hide it all over the place until "assembly day.")

2) They tear out all of the necessary walls to expose the columns of the central core. This would involve shutting down the elevators, cutting the electricity, tearing out restrooms, storage rooms, equipment rooms, maintenance rooms. This would be pretty clear to you if you had ever been on one of the WTC floors in question. As you said,

Each tower's core contained 47 continuous box columns which ran from the bedrock foundations seven stories below street level to near the tops of the Towers, where they transitioned to I-beams. These box-columns measured 36 inches by 16 inches and were fabricated of steel four inches thick near the Towers' bases.

FEMA's report hides and minimizes the core structures whose their existence made the symmetric total collapses of the Towers due to gravity impossible. Even if the collision and fire damage could have induced collapse events, they would have caused the Towers to topple like trees, pivoting about the cores at the impact zones.

Destroying the core columns is key to achieving total building collapse, yet FEMA's long report has only one short passage explaining how the cores self-destructed.

For s...ts and giggles, I'll give you the "wireless remote detonators," although in real demolitions, miles of wiring and redundant systems are used.

3) They weaken the necessary structural members and install the explosives and electronic wireless radio detonators.

4) They repair all of the damage they had done: new walls, sheet rock, plaster, paint, woodwork, plumbing and electrical.

5) They clean up. Remember, cleanliness is next to wooness.

6) They get out unseen.

7) They do this every day, in three buildings, all of which have human and electronic security systems in place, not to mention the thousands of daily workers there, until the job is finished.

8) No one (and no security camera) ever detects them, their equipment or their huge construction project, on floors that are occupied 24 hours a day.

9) Their work is robust enough to withstand the impact of airliners traveling 500-600 mph.

10) The explosives and wireless radio detonation units are able to survive temperatures that are hot enough to weaken steel and melt aluminum.


You don't need a commission, you need an application!

If you CAN show that these things are possible, perhaps you can get the attention of a legislator.

Then, of course, you'll need some way to separate the conspirators from honest people, because I don't think you want conspirators on your commission, do you?

Showing that the controlled demolition theory is possible will require you to do real work in the real world.

"Huh? I'm not going to find proof by twiddling my mouse?"

Sorry. If you want to find the "real" murderers of the 2,985 and vindicate the poor, misunderstood folks in al Qaeda, you'll need to put your gumshoes on and spend a lot of time in the ol' archives. That's what real "investigators" do. A good place to start would be to answer this question: WERE there major construction projects involving the core columns done in the past few years on the buildings and floors where you believe the controlled demolition happened?

Have you done any original investigating, and if so, what have you turned up? Don't ask others to do your homework.

But I'll be a pal and make your job easier. Allow me to propose a theory that is far, far more plausible than the one you've propose. Feel free to explore it: it comes with a Creative Commons license.

Okay, we know the U.S. has planes that are stealthy to radar, right? Suppose those planes can fly high enough to also be virtually invisible to the naked eye (they probably can). Then suppose we have a technology that allows them to leave no contrails (or chemtrails, for that matter).

Now, we also know that the U.S. has GPS-guided "bunker buster" bombs with fuses that can be programmed to sense voids. These bombs can go through many layers of concrete/empty space/rock, etc. and then explode when they reach the predetermined void, such as Osama bin Laden's subterranean dialysis room. See where I'm goin' with this?

Suppose we have the technology to make those bunker busters invisible to radar and to the naked eye and recording devices, in daylight.

Problem solved. No invisible workers with invisible explosives did invisible construction at the WTC. No airliner pilots had to strike the exact floors where explosives were been hidden. Just this: a spotter called the location of the fires to the stealth pilots, who programmed the bomb fuses to explode on those floors, and dropped their bombs right "down the pipes." A special explosive would have to be used, but that's a minor point. Or perhaps the bombs had some king of high-tech bolas inside that wrapped around the columns and torqued them apart.

That's my theory, and I can't for the life of me figure out why a commission isn't investigating it.

Can you, conspiracybeliever?


p.s Lose the "squib," willya? Yer killin' me.
 
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I know why the towers came down...

Gravity.

Exactly.

Those of us who have not only been standing next to the towers, but also made the journey to the top, are the only ones who are capable of appreciating just....how....◊◊◊◊◊◊◊....huge they were. They dominated the most impresssive skyline on this planet.

People - if you never experienced Twin Towers, you missed out on an experience of a lifetime. They weren't just "towers", they gave a new meaning to the word "monolithic".

But they certainly weren't too big to be brought down by huge airplanes, filled with highly inflammable fuel. We can try to understand what kind of hell those entrapped in the pandemonium, but we will never succeed.

Those who perished should be honoured, not pissed on by scum like conspiracybeliever.
 
People - if you never experienced Twin Towers, you missed out on an experience of a lifetime. They weren't just "towers", they gave a new meaning to the word "monolithic".
Rubbing a little salt into one of the littlest of wounds I got that day. That's one engineering marvel I'll never get to see up close.
 
To put your mind at ease, I can assure you that NO individual from CDI made any such statement as that purported by Dr. Griffin, and I would greatly appreciate your forwarding me a link to the page where this is stated. If he has, indeed, committed libel in some regard, rest-assured that legal action will shortly follow.
Thanks again for the “heads-up.” I look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Regards,
Stacey
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Stacey S. Loizeaux
The Loizeaux Group, LLC
Controlled Demolition, Inc.
2737 Merryman's Mill Road
Phoenix, Maryland 21131 USA[/I]

Nice work, Sultanist!
 

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