It's not a question of catering to our whims. It's a question of Steorn actually delivering what they say they have.
If they have it, why not show it? Why all this baloney?
What is wrong with what Steorn is doing?
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It's not a question of catering to our whims. It's a question of Steorn actually delivering what they say they have.
If they have it, why not show it? Why all this baloney?
Horatius
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Of course, "detailed technical specs" could mean almost anything - such as info on how much power it puts out, is it AC or DC, the weight or composition of the device, it's dimensions. Things that you'd need to know to incorporate it into an existing device, but which don't tell you anything about how it actually works.
That's what I'm betting they'll show, if they show anything at all. Any takers?
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Why post then?
Because one does not cater to the whims of the organized skeptical movement. Duh.
sinnikal
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Just to bump up their 'caring, sharing' philosophy they have this on their site
http://www.steorn.com/about/community/africa.aspx
I won't be at all surprised if they tell us that they help little old ladies across the road and are kind to animals as well.
Nice that it's their 'intention'. Still, when the false hope is unfulfilled it's only going to be a few africans disappointed.
http://www.steorn.com/about/community/africa.aspx
I won't be at all surprised if they tell us that they help little old ladies across the road and are kind to animals as well.
Nice that it's their 'intention'. Still, when the false hope is unfulfilled it's only going to be a few africans disappointed.
volatile
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According to their statement of accounts they lost €3.2 million last financial year?!
Worst. Scammers. Ever.
Worst. Scammers. Ever.
Horatius
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But don't you see? The fact that they're losing money* proves they aren't scammers! Excuse me while I whip out my chequebook!
*According to them, anyways.....
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As time goes on I'm all the more inclined to believe they're actually just deluded, and bought into their own hype, rather than con-men.
Then again, I guess that's probably what they want me to think...
You could be right, but something must have start their delusion, and brought them in the wane of delivering free energy to the world. I do not think of them as die-hard hoaxers, but more as keen businessmen, who want to make at least some money out of it. They're charging a nominal fee, for everybody who's interested in blue-prints (who's not?).As time goes on I'm all the more inclined to believe they're actually just deluded, and bought into their own hype, rather than con-men.
Then again, I guess that's probably what they want me to think...
Maybe, at the end, the outcome is as predicted by so many scientists I have discussed with. Their PM does not defy Nature's Laws, it works only for a certain time, but Steorn is rich by selling blueprints. (Did you noticed that little disclaimer, lower right corner, saying: 'no guarantees whatsoever').
Maybe that's where the real money is for Steorn.
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Well, that'd be, let's see.... 50,000 pounds for the Economist advert. 300 pounds for the party in the pub in Dublin, 12 pounds for the nonsense in the art gallery, and 148 pounds 42 pence for the forum/website. That leaves an expenditure of something like 3.1 mio Euros for "man does not live by bread alone" (a not often used tax write-off in obscure 19th Century Irish law, no doubt).
So? We have a company in really dire straits spending their last pennies on promtion and P.R.?
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At least there's some sort of movement and some sort of timetable here.
Their new web page now states "Detailed technical specifications will be made available at the end of Quarter 1, 2007."
And "The validation process began in January 2007 and is expected to conclude by the end of this year."
And "Our free energy technology will be made widely available to the development community immediately after the independent scientific validation process."
They do say they'll release it for a "nominal" fee. The big question of course is the meaning of nominal in the context of free energy. I mean, nominal for a country or nominal for some guy working in a garage...
Still, I'm satisfied that there's some sort of time table in place, one way or another, we'll know by the end of this year.
Their new web page now states "Detailed technical specifications will be made available at the end of Quarter 1, 2007."
And "The validation process began in January 2007 and is expected to conclude by the end of this year."
And "Our free energy technology will be made widely available to the development community immediately after the independent scientific validation process."
They do say they'll release it for a "nominal" fee. The big question of course is the meaning of nominal in the context of free energy. I mean, nominal for a country or nominal for some guy working in a garage...
Still, I'm satisfied that there's some sort of time table in place, one way or another, we'll know by the end of this year.
In the last couple of days, Sean (the CEO) talked about putting a working "device" (whatever that may be) on display (probably in London) and letting it run for a month. People will be able to wander round it and use test meters etc. Supposed to happen in April.
With enough batteries inside, I can also build one of those.
I guess Steorn's smart enough to make things crystal clear. In my opinion 4 things can happen:
1. It works BUT doesn't break the Law of Thermodynamics,
2. It doesn't break the Law of Thermodynamics but doesn't work,
3. It works AND breaks the Law of Thermodynamics,
4. There is no such device.
In case of 3, we have a slight problem. Al Gore wouldn't be too happy to hear of a heatproducing device without energyconversion...
That's actually a good point: Having free energy devices would mean a massive global warming....
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The whole Steorn story has thrown me off kilter a little.
I'm used to scams being badly-worded, amateur websites conducted in a fairly low-key way by directors with obviously shady pasts. You can spot them a mile off.
If Steorn is scam, it's a new breed; brilliant presentation, real engineers and a blaze of publicity which cost real money (the Economist ad cost around £100K).
Steorn itself is a real company with a real office, real employees and a real trading history. They've told everyone to remain skeptical and assume that it doesn't work until the independent evaluations are in (although I do disagree with some aspects of how they've chosen these people - I'd like to know who they are, and what the criteria for choosing them was).
Have they just decided to go... bad? The directors have become public figures - surely they'd never work again?
Look, I'm not saying they've broken physics, but I'm having trouble reconciling their approach with my preconceived notion of a dishonest company.
On balance, it's still far more likely that they've either;
made a terrible, terrible mistake, or;
decided to con the world in a brilliantly conceived and implemented scam...
...than it is that they've discovered how to magically produce energy from nothing, so I remain inherently skeptical, but I'm watching with interest to see how the story develops.
I'm used to scams being badly-worded, amateur websites conducted in a fairly low-key way by directors with obviously shady pasts. You can spot them a mile off.
If Steorn is scam, it's a new breed; brilliant presentation, real engineers and a blaze of publicity which cost real money (the Economist ad cost around £100K).
Steorn itself is a real company with a real office, real employees and a real trading history. They've told everyone to remain skeptical and assume that it doesn't work until the independent evaluations are in (although I do disagree with some aspects of how they've chosen these people - I'd like to know who they are, and what the criteria for choosing them was).
Have they just decided to go... bad? The directors have become public figures - surely they'd never work again?
Look, I'm not saying they've broken physics, but I'm having trouble reconciling their approach with my preconceived notion of a dishonest company.
On balance, it's still far more likely that they've either;
made a terrible, terrible mistake, or;
decided to con the world in a brilliantly conceived and implemented scam...
...than it is that they've discovered how to magically produce energy from nothing, so I remain inherently skeptical, but I'm watching with interest to see how the story develops.
Exactly right: anybody took a look at Perendev (cannot post a link yet) Magnetic Motors? Chaotic, poorly designed website. Actually they have a device for sale: € 19.000,- for an entry-level magnetic free-energy motor.
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pmckean:
That's pretty much what I've been saying. Although I doubt they've made a mistake, they have been very calculated so far.
So either they should win a scammer of the decade for their work (if we find out its bogus in the end), or they might have something on their hands. I would be very surprised if they botched the math somehow to such an extent, they weren't talking 1% gain, they were talking quite a nice margin.
That's pretty much what I've been saying. Although I doubt they've made a mistake, they have been very calculated so far.
So either they should win a scammer of the decade for their work (if we find out its bogus in the end), or they might have something on their hands. I would be very surprised if they botched the math somehow to such an extent, they weren't talking 1% gain, they were talking quite a nice margin.