Split Thread What happened to Flight 93?

This reminds me of buying a huge pile of Northface clothing in a chinese port.
Around $15-20 a piece.

I fit it in my backpack by folding it tight and putting it in a large trashbag, then I stuck a vacumcleaner in the bag and scrunk it to a flat hard plank.

The only problem was when I got home and tried to take it out of the backpack again after it had been leaking. Had to use a vacumcleaner again.

Hope you see the relevance.
 
roundhead said:
Make up your foolish mind.


If rock was truly under the topsoil, it stands to reason the ground didnt swallow up the plane then, now doesnt it.It wouldnt have gone very far running into rock, and the OCT of saying the ground swallowed up the plane is a mighty leaky bucket, isnt it.

The thing is, the OCT contains so many outlandish lies, its a real job defending all of them. I can see why so many debunker "crows" infest the fence lines of this site. They are all much needed, perhaps many more should be here, its a mighty big juggling act.
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You're hilarious. I didn't say a THIN layer of soil.

A similar thing happened with the ValueJet crash. (Those poor bastards, the pilots never had a chance to save that plane.)
 
roundhead said:
My guess is that a 100 plus ton airliner traveling at hundreds of miles and hour and impacting into very soft soil would have plunged more than 12/15 feet deep, and on impact its wings would certainly have broken off and apart.


Heck if i am to swallow what you support, a similar airliner went right through a reinforced wall at the Pentagon(making an even beigger hole in the reinforced wall) and kept right on a going, it sure didnt stop in 15 feet, hitting something much ,much harder. It went several hundred feet.

Well actually it didnt, they just told us it did. Sorry i cant keep track of all the OCT lies


Do you see why defending the Shanksville lie has zero resonable merit
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When the choice is between your obsession with one aspect of 9/11 and all the evidence we have, the evidence wins. Your assertion has to be constant with of this:

Some Flight 93 Evidence Updated 5/27/09
http://911links.webs.com/Flight93.htm

[1] DNA for all passangers crew found and identified
[2] The hole
[3] 95% of the airplane recovered in the hole
[4] Black boxes recovered and analyzed
[5] Video of Phanton hitting wall
[6] Lots of Flight 93 links
[7] 1960 Air-to-air collision NYC
[8] Analysis of Flt 93 Balck Boxes
[9] 1,200 investigators and first responders,.
[10] Remains of aircraft in storage.
[11] Papers & light objects found up to 8 miles from the crash
[12] Pictures
[13] Largest peice of Flt 93 was half a ton
[14] Coroner Statement
[15] Flight Data Recorder data and WTC data for Flt 93
[16] THE NORAD RESPONSE TO 9/11 COmplete timing and FAA info
[17] VIDEO: Eyewitnesses to Flt93 crash
[18] Phone calls from Flight 93
[19] Flight 93 Radar track
[20] Crash debris found 8 miles away
[21] Olsen Phone calls discussed
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DNA http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011220shanksville1220p2.asp http://preview.tinyurl.com/2fhpe8 Links to forensics and hijacker identification http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linksto911forensicsaqndvictimidentificat The hijacker's license http://bp0.blogger.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/RzjIqhqANiI/AAAAAAAAAuw/8Ve-LbpabIs/s1600-h/PA00101A.jpg

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The Hole: The aircraft impacted at approximately 563 mph (906 km/h), at a 40 degree angle.[26] The impact left a crater about 115 feet (35 m) wide and 10 to 12 feet (about 3.5 m) deep. There were no survivors among the 44 passengers, crew and terrorists (all were killed by the impact or had been previously killed during flight). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93 http://preview.tinyurl.com/5tvkk
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Here's the in the news on 9/24/2001, CNN reports 95% or the aircraft was recovered form that hole including both black boxes. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/inv.pennsylvania.site.index.html CNN.com FBI finished with Pennsylvania crash site probe SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) --The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered. The federal investigation into the September 11 terrorist attacks continues. Evidence-gathering was halted Saturday afternoon and the pieces of United Airlines Flight 93 that had been recovered were turned over Sunday to the airline, with the exception of the flight data recorder and the voice recorder, which are being held and analyzed by the FBI, according to FBI agent Bill Crowley. Crowley said the biggest piece of the plane that was recovered was a 6-by-7-foot piece of the fuselage skin, including about four windows. The heaviest piece, Crowley said, was part of an engine fan, weighing about 1,000 pounds. Flight 93 was one of four jets hijacked Sept. 11. Authorities believe the flight, which originated in Newark, New Jersey, and had been destined for San Francisco, was headed for the nation's capital, where the hijackers may have intended to slam it into the White House or the Capitol. Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller have praised the passengers of that flight, saying it appears their actions in trying to regain control of the aircraft averted a greater tragedy. People who spoke by phone with passengers after the plane was hijacked say that after the passengers found out about the earlier World Trade Center attack, they decided to try to overpower the hijackers. And officials familiar with the flight's cockpit voice recorder say it shows there was a "definite struggle," which they described as desperate and wild, between hijackers and some of the passengers. All 44 people on board the flight were killed when it slammed into the ground.
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Black boxes recovered and analyzed http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf Black boxes recovered and analyzed http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf Of the airliner parts, the pieces that investigators judged most significant were the plane's cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, both unearthed within 3 1/2 days of the crash. The voice recording that remained is being analyzed for clues to confirm the identities of the four hijackers who seized the Newark-to-San Francisco flight before it crashed. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp
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Video of Phanton hitting wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8
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Lots of Flight 93 links
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93shanksvillesummaryofevidence,man
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Example Air-to-air collision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_New_York_air_disaster
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Black boxes recovered and analyzed http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf Discussed : http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102924
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1,200 investigators and first responders,. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93shanksvillesummaryofevidence,man
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Remains of aircraft in storage. Since it had no more use for it, the FBI turned the airliner debris -- but not the data and voice recorders -- over to United Airlines yesterday. Asked what United will do with the debris, airline spokeswoman Whitney Staley said, "I don't think a decision has been made ... but we're not commenting." http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp "With the recovery Friday night of the cockpit voice recorder from United Flight 93, workers at the crash site have shifted their focus to a long, arduous search for what remains of the jet and its victims. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916otherjetnat5p5.asp
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Debris from the crash has been found up to 8 miles from the crash site, but searchers are concentrating on the crater where most of the remains are located. Papers and other light objects were carried aloft by the explosion after impact of the plane and they were transported by a nine-knot wind. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916otherjetnat5p5.asp
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Pictures http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200061.html http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200062.html Live news coverage showing debris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWi0JpI__M The hijacker's license http://bp0.blogger.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/RzjIqhqANiI/AAAAAAAAAuw/8Ve-LbpabIs/s1600-h/PA00101A.jpg
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FBI spokesman Bill Crowley said that the largest piece
of plane recovered was a shred of fuselage skin that
covered four windows -- a piece seven feet long
from a jetliner that was 155 feet long. The
heaviest piece, he said, was a half-ton section
of engine fan.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8&notFound=true
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Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service." As a funeral director, Miller says, he is honored and humbled to preside over what has become essentially an immense cemetery stretching far into the scenic wooded mountain ridge. He considers it the final resting place of 40 national heroes. He saw dust, not bodies.
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Flight Data Recorder data and WTC data for Flt 93 http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
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THE NORAD RESPONSE TO 9/11 Compiled by Andrew Burfield http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2164577#post2164577
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VIDEO: Eyewitnesses to Flt93 crash (0:1:15) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxsmhnZeM6w
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Phone calls from Flight 93 9/11 Commission folder entitled "Flight 93 Calls - General". http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Team7_Box12_93Calls_General.2.pdf
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Flight 93 Radar track http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/93RadarTrack.jpg
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Crash debris found 8 miles away
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12967.html
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_47536.html
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12942.html
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Olsen Phone calls discussed
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4687535#post4687535
 
roundhead said:
Dont derail the thread..start your own if you want to talk about plane crashes, as this thread isnt about crashes, its about phantom flight 93 which DIDNT crash in that dinky bulldozer made hole in Shanksville.
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Where's the bulldozer operator?
 
roundhead said:
Dont derail the thread..start your own if you want to talk about plane crashes, as this thread isnt about crashes, its about phantom flight 93 which DIDNT crash in that dinky bulldozer made hole in Shanksville.
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Yet further evidence that truthers know nothing of the real world.

Backhoes are used to dig holes, roundhead. Not bulldozers.
 
roundhead said:
Based on, among other things, the lack of wreckage in the "crater" no smell of jet fuel, and on site Fox news reporter early on stating there is no evidence a plane crashed here, witness reports and other issues...its extremely likely no jetliner crashed in Shanksville....If the evidence is weighed for and against a crash their evenhandedly, its pretty undefendable to go along with the OCT.

DOM at CIT has visited the site, spoken with a number of witnesses, and come to the conclusion flight 93 didnt crash there. Go to the CIT site to find his super informative info regarding this. As far as i know, he has done more independant on site research than anybody on the planet regarding 93


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTiUtgJPy0

1:15 in is the Fox news report................
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Dom used to post here. I know Dom. He might be one of the dumbest SOB's on the planet. However, I loved his drunken, illegible tirade that summed up all of his years of effort.

Is he still great and fast friends with Killtown? Snicker...

On the other hand, he does have the CIT stamp of approval, and those guys "scientifically" proved that the plane hit the Pentagon.

hee hee hee!
 
roundhead said:
I imagine a plane crashing head first into soft ground to leave huge parts, start a fire and cause a huge crater.

Not a small little ditch that has nothing in it.....At least the perps could have dumped the contents of a 55 gallon drum of kerosene in the hole to make the crash somewhat more plausible.


There is no more evidence of 93 crashing there than it having crashed in my backyard

They should have also rented the backhoe longer and dug a bigger hole with it, 20 minutes wasnt enough
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Troll much:rolleyes:

You dont really believe anything of what you post Roundhead/Brian. You know the truth but you have been at this for so long that it is your embarrassment at being duped to follow the TM that keeps you going and posting BS. You post BS because you are incapable of admitting your wrong, when you know you are. All twoofers know they are wrong really. Get a new hobby because your no good at this one.
 
Jackanory said:
Troll much:rolleyes:

You dont really believe anything of what you post Roundhead/Brian. You know the truth but you have been at this for so long that it is your embarrassment at being duped to follow the TM that keeps you going and posting BS. You post BS because you are incapable of admitting your wrong, when you know you are. All twoofers know they are wrong really. Get a new hobby because your no good at this one.
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I know i am correct, i just try and help the helpless that infest this website.
 
roundhead, out of the hundreds of eyewitnesses, first responders, and crash scene investigators, not a single one has corroborated your claim that UA93 did not crash in Shanksville.

Do you feel this is because they are cowards too afraid to tell the truth about the faked crash site, in the same way you've characterized the FDNY as cowards, or is it that they are too ignorant to realize the crash site was faked, in the same way you've characterized the world's population of engineers as ignorant?
 
roundhead said:
I know i am correct, i just try and help the helpless that infest this website.
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Is all of this interlocking evidence for the standard story of Flight 93 fiction?


Some Flight 93 Evidence Updated 5/27/09
http://911links.webs.com/Flight93.htm

[1] DNA for all passangers crew found and identified
[2] The hole
[3] 95% of the airplane recovered in the hole
[4] Black boxes recovered and analyzed
[5] Video of Phanton hitting wall
[6] Lots of Flight 93 links
[7] 1960 Air-to-air collision NYC
[8] Analysis of Flt 93 Balck Boxes
[9] 1,200 investigators and first responders,.
[10] Remains of aircraft in storage.
[11] Papers & light objects found up to 8 miles from the crash
[12] Pictures
[13] Largest peice of Flt 93 was half a ton
[14] Coroner Statement
[15] Flight Data Recorder data and WTC data for Flt 93
[16] THE NORAD RESPONSE TO 9/11 COmplete timing and FAA info
[17] VIDEO: Eyewitnesses to Flt93 crash
[18] Phone calls from Flight 93
[19] Flight 93 Radar track
[20] Crash debris found 8 miles away
[21] Olsen Phone calls discussed
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DNA http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011220shanksville1220p2.asp http://preview.tinyurl.com/2fhpe8 Links to forensics and hijacker identification http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/linksto911forensicsaqndvictimidentificat The hijacker's license http://bp0.blogger.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/RzjIqhqANiI/AAAAAAAAAuw/8Ve-LbpabIs/s1600-h/PA00101A.jpg

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The Hole: The aircraft impacted at approximately 563 mph (906 km/h), at a 40 degree angle.[26] The impact left a crater about 115 feet (35 m) wide and 10 to 12 feet (about 3.5 m) deep. There were no survivors among the 44 passengers, crew and terrorists (all were killed by the impact or had been previously killed during flight). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93 http://preview.tinyurl.com/5tvkk
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Here's the in the news on 9/24/2001, CNN reports 95% or the aircraft was recovered form that hole including both black boxes. http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/24/inv.pennsylvania.site.index.html CNN.com FBI finished with Pennsylvania crash site probe SHANKSVILLE, Pennsylvania (CNN) --The FBI announced Monday that its investigation of the site where a hijacked jet slammed into a field here is complete and that 95 percent of the plane was recovered. The federal investigation into the September 11 terrorist attacks continues. Evidence-gathering was halted Saturday afternoon and the pieces of United Airlines Flight 93 that had been recovered were turned over Sunday to the airline, with the exception of the flight data recorder and the voice recorder, which are being held and analyzed by the FBI, according to FBI agent Bill Crowley. Crowley said the biggest piece of the plane that was recovered was a 6-by-7-foot piece of the fuselage skin, including about four windows. The heaviest piece, Crowley said, was part of an engine fan, weighing about 1,000 pounds. Flight 93 was one of four jets hijacked Sept. 11. Authorities believe the flight, which originated in Newark, New Jersey, and had been destined for San Francisco, was headed for the nation's capital, where the hijackers may have intended to slam it into the White House or the Capitol. Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller have praised the passengers of that flight, saying it appears their actions in trying to regain control of the aircraft averted a greater tragedy. People who spoke by phone with passengers after the plane was hijacked say that after the passengers found out about the earlier World Trade Center attack, they decided to try to overpower the hijackers. And officials familiar with the flight's cockpit voice recorder say it shows there was a "definite struggle," which they described as desperate and wild, between hijackers and some of the passengers. All 44 people on board the flight were killed when it slammed into the ground.
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Black boxes recovered and analyzed http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf Black boxes recovered and analyzed http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf Of the airliner parts, the pieces that investigators judged most significant were the plane's cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder, both unearthed within 3 1/2 days of the crash. The voice recording that remained is being analyzed for clues to confirm the identities of the four hijackers who seized the Newark-to-San Francisco flight before it crashed. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp
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Video of Phanton hitting wall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8
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Lots of Flight 93 links
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93shanksvillesummaryofevidence,man
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Example Air-to-air collision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_New_York_air_disaster
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Black boxes recovered and analyzed http://www.ntsb.gov/info/autopilot_AA77_UA93_study.pdf Discussed : http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102924
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1,200 investigators and first responders,. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/flight93shanksvillesummaryofevidence,man
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Remains of aircraft in storage. Since it had no more use for it, the FBI turned the airliner debris -- but not the data and voice recorders -- over to United Airlines yesterday. Asked what United will do with the debris, airline spokeswoman Whitney Staley said, "I don't think a decision has been made ... but we're not commenting." http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp "With the recovery Friday night of the cockpit voice recorder from United Flight 93, workers at the crash site have shifted their focus to a long, arduous search for what remains of the jet and its victims. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916otherjetnat5p5.asp
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Debris from the crash has been found up to 8 miles from the crash site, but searchers are concentrating on the crater where most of the remains are located. Papers and other light objects were carried aloft by the explosion after impact of the plane and they were transported by a nine-knot wind. http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010916otherjetnat5p5.asp
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Pictures http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200061.html http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/P200062.html Live news coverage showing debris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeWi0JpI__M The hijacker's license http://bp0.blogger.com/_rLV-ZuNPwJ4/RzjIqhqANiI/AAAAAAAAAuw/8Ve-LbpabIs/s1600-h/PA00101A.jpg
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FBI spokesman Bill Crowley said that the largest piece
of plane recovered was a shred of fuselage skin that
covered four windows -- a piece seven feet long
from a jetliner that was 155 feet long. The
heaviest piece, he said, was a half-ton section
of engine fan.

http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010925scene0925p2.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...node=&contentId=A56110-2002May8&notFound=true
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Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says, "I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there. It became like a giant funeral service." As a funeral director, Miller says, he is honored and humbled to preside over what has become essentially an immense cemetery stretching far into the scenic wooded mountain ridge. He considers it the final resting place of 40 national heroes. He saw dust, not bodies.
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Flight Data Recorder data and WTC data for Flt 93 http://www.ntsb.gov/info/foia_fri.htm
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THE NORAD RESPONSE TO 9/11 Compiled by Andrew Burfield http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=2164577#post2164577
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VIDEO: Eyewitnesses to Flt93 crash (0:1:15) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxsmhnZeM6w
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Phone calls from Flight 93 9/11 Commission folder entitled "Flight 93 Calls - General". http://911myths.com/index.php/Image:Team7_Box12_93Calls_General.2.pdf
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Flight 93 Radar track http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/93RadarTrack.jpg
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Crash debris found 8 miles away
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12967.html
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_47536.html
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_12942.html
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Olsen Phone calls discussed
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4687535#post4687535
 
roundhead said:
I imagine a plane crashing head first into soft ground to leave huge parts, start a fire and cause a huge crater.
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First query: Why do you think that? What has conditioned you to expect that as the result? I trust it's something more substantial than Hollywood movies and television shows.

Second query: Is water softer than the ground?

Third query: If you answer to the second query is yes, then can you explain why Swissair Flight 111 was shattered into approximately two million pieces when it struck the soft waters off of Nova Scotia back in 1998?
 
JimBenArm said:
So the whole basis of this thread is that RedIbis looked at photos of the crater at Shanksville, used his vast experience in aircraft crashes and determined it didn't look right, therefore:

COVERUP!

I am duly impressed.
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No, he probably decided there was a government coverup, then looked at the photographs with a bias in mind. How else can one ignore multiple converging lines of evidence in favor of concentrating on miscellaneous anamolies not contradicting the fact that a jet crashed there?
 
How else can one ignore multiple converging lines of evidence in favor of concentrating on miscellaneous anomalies not contradicting the fact that a jet crashed there?
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I had to read that sentence twice:mad:
What do you think ibis will do?
 
roundhead said:
Dont derail the thread..start your own if you want to talk about plane crashes, as this thread isnt about crashes, its about phantom flight 93 which DIDNT crash in that dinky bulldozer made hole in Shanksville.
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Why are you dodging flight 1771?

Can you locate airplane parts at THAT crash site hero?

Fatalities:Flight 1771 43

Flight 93 44

Type of crash:Flight 1771 Suicide

Flight 93 Suicide

Debris fields:Flight 1771 6-8 miles

Flight 93 8 miles

Debris: Flight 1771 Suicide note found(paper)

Flight 93 Hijacker passport found

From the NTSB Report:

Witnesses:Flight 1771 "Plane was intact"

Flight 93 "Plane was intact"

Witnesses:Flight 1771 Plane was "nose down"

Flight 93 Plane was "nose down"

From the CVR Report:

Flight 1771 Scuffle in the cockpit

Flight 93 Scuffle in the cockpit

Photos of body parts
made public: Flight 1771 0

Flight 93 0

Release reports of
matching serial numbers:Flight 1771 0

Flight 93 0

Crater with debris? Flight 1771 yes

Flight 93 yes

Debris found in trees? Flight 1771 yes

Flight 93 yes


Witnesses of Debris:

Flight 1771:

Bill Wammock -“nothing that resembled an airliner... we went on for hours, before we heard the news reports of a missing airliner, believing that we were dealing with a small airplane full of newspapers that had crashed. We saw no pieces of the aircraft that were larger than, maybe, a human hand. It did not look like a passenger aircraft.”

Flight 93:
Ernie Stull- Mayor of Shanksville-"They just found the two turbines because, of course, they're heavier and more massive than everything else. But there was almost nothing left of the actual airplane. You can still find plate-sized parts out there. And Neville from the farm over there found an aluminum part from the airplane's outside shell behind his barn that must've been about 8 by 10 or even 8 by 12 feet."


Were their differences? Sure!

Flight 1771 was a BAe 146, Flight 93 was a larger 757.

Maximum take off weight for the BAe 146 is 93,035 lb
Maximum take off weight for the 757 is 255,000 lbs.

Come on Round head... man-up and tell us what happened to flight 1771.
 
It's funny to me how people in the truth movement will propose a theory, but completely disregard the logistics involved in actually DOING what they propose.

As anyone who has any experience with small towns, is that things don't stay secret for long. The standard for "news-worthiness" is much less in a small town, than in a large city. Shanksville has a population of 245.

Some have theorized that the crash site was faked. Let's just for a moment think about all of what it would entail to create a fake crash site.

Several 18 wheelers full of fake plane debris, and body parts that happen to match the DNA of the people on the flight, we're trucked out to shanksville, and on private property, without anyone noticing, a group of black ops guys dig a ditch with a bulldozer , plant plane parts over a wide area, including the multi-ton engines, and body parts...and not a soul see them coming or going? All done prior to 9/11. How early in advance did they plant the parts? If anyone sees them the jig is up...kinda risky. And how would creating a fake plane crash in rural PA help the insiders in the attack against America?
 
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