1 - You should have to pass some kind of a test to become a parent, or have some kind or "resume" or background checks...or SOMETHING. It should NOT be an automatic "right."
2 - If convicted of the following beyond any doubt (ie via DNA testing, caught on tape, etc) and no due cause (self-defense etc) is proven, the following punishments are automatic:
Murder: you're killed. No lengthy appeals either.
Rape: you're castrated.
Maiming: you're maimed similarly.
Beat someone up: you're beat up similarly.
Torture: you're tortured.
Theft/fraud/embezzlement/extortion: for extreme cases, you're forcibly bankrupted and all your possessions are taken away (save for perhaps a few clothes and enough money for the dollar menu at McD's). For smaller ones, a monetary amount double to what you took is taken from you. If you don't have it (via money or possessions) then your wages are garnished. If you're unemployed, you work it off/are jailed in hard labor for X amt per day until it's considered paid off. Say $1/hr maybe. Don't like it? Don't steal. PS these people do not go to jail unless their actions were responsible for someone getting hurt beyond monetarily. Yes I know this can get dicey. But this would help with our jail overcrowding thing.
3 - Teachers are given back true authority in the classroom, to include (gasp) corporal punishment for the younger little bra...errr tots...in extreme cases. This of couse does not mean teachers should be given free reign though.
4 - Massive crackdown on frivilous lawsuits, to include legal action taken against those proven to be doing so. This would help #3 a lot I think.
5 - If a person is proven to have falsely accused someone of a crime (eg a woman taking a guy to trial for rape), they receive whatever punishment the accused would have received if found guilty. This will help with #4.
6 - Real crackdown on discrimination of ALL races. eg more documented evidence/proof of why someone is hired, perhaps to include videotaping interviews, etc. Evidence/proof of any extreme deviation from demographic norms will be required...eg a company in an area with 20% blacks but only 2% blacks work there, or a company in an area with only 2% blacks but 20% of the company is black. Obviously this would be very hard/dicey to implement....but we weren't talking about something with a realistic chance of happening were we
7 - Profiling, given just cause (eg profiling Middle Eastern folks, esp. admitted Muslims), is enacted at places like airports, stadiums, military bases, etc (ie obvious prime terrorist targets).
8 - Flag-burning is against the law with more than a token fine for breaking it (not saying a ridiculous amount tho either - no specific number jumps to mind). Spare me the "freedom of expression" BS. Too many people far better than the ones doing this gave their lives and it's like spitting on their graves. There are many other (and much more effective) ways to express one's displeasure with the gov't/country.
9 - Abortion, if permitted, must have consent of BOTH PARENTS. I'm sick to death of the sexist "it's my body" BS by women. This isn't a kidney or gallstone we're talking about. That child is as much the man's as it is the women's. How can his opinion not count?? The exceptions would be rape, incest, or if her life was in danger; then it's her call.
10 - Cameras are installed on all major highways and as many public places as reasonably possible (excluding stuff like parks, neighborhood roads, inside work areas, etc). We can catch/prevent a lot of crimes this way and spare me the "big brother" bit. They have these in malls and other public places already and nobody cares; it should be no BFD unless you're paranoid.
11 - Litterers are given much stiffer fines and more money is devoted to catching these unthinking pigs.
12 - "Noise polluters" are cracked down on one HELLUVA lot more. You do not have the right to be obnoxious. eg cops will no longer hesitate to pull car music blasters over and ticket them, and the tickets will carry very stiff fines. Further, repeat offenders automatically lose the offending equipment. Further still, parents who are unable/unwilling to teach their childen to behave in public are forced into "How to be a Parent" classes - if they still do not comply, they are banned from public places such as restuarants, theaters, etc (where they never should have been allowed in the first place). Maybe something like the ol Scarlet Letter idea; bring it on.
13 - When you vote for someone, you have to give a reason why. In order not to bring the voting booths to a crawl, however (they're bad enough already), you must have this prepared on a form and bring it with you. You don't bring it, you don't vote. Further, "I'm voting for this person because they are or aren't a Democrat/Republican/liberal/conservative" will not qualify. Enough of this growing black-and-white mindless gibberish where people vote as a symbol of their social status. I mean actual reasons, like how you agree with their policy on this or that.
14 - Mandatory military service - at least a year or 2. And as Robert Heinlein said (pardon the plagiarism
), "if you don't serve 2 years in the military, you don't get to vote. Because if you refuse to defend a free society, you should have no say in how it is run." Right on. Freedoms aren't free and since everyone expects to enjoy them as a "right," it's high time everyone also EARNED them, at least a little.
2 - If convicted of the following beyond any doubt (ie via DNA testing, caught on tape, etc) and no due cause (self-defense etc) is proven, the following punishments are automatic:
Murder: you're killed. No lengthy appeals either.
Rape: you're castrated.
Maiming: you're maimed similarly.
Beat someone up: you're beat up similarly.
Torture: you're tortured.
Theft/fraud/embezzlement/extortion: for extreme cases, you're forcibly bankrupted and all your possessions are taken away (save for perhaps a few clothes and enough money for the dollar menu at McD's). For smaller ones, a monetary amount double to what you took is taken from you. If you don't have it (via money or possessions) then your wages are garnished. If you're unemployed, you work it off/are jailed in hard labor for X amt per day until it's considered paid off. Say $1/hr maybe. Don't like it? Don't steal. PS these people do not go to jail unless their actions were responsible for someone getting hurt beyond monetarily. Yes I know this can get dicey. But this would help with our jail overcrowding thing.
3 - Teachers are given back true authority in the classroom, to include (gasp) corporal punishment for the younger little bra...errr tots...in extreme cases. This of couse does not mean teachers should be given free reign though.
4 - Massive crackdown on frivilous lawsuits, to include legal action taken against those proven to be doing so. This would help #3 a lot I think.
5 - If a person is proven to have falsely accused someone of a crime (eg a woman taking a guy to trial for rape), they receive whatever punishment the accused would have received if found guilty. This will help with #4.
6 - Real crackdown on discrimination of ALL races. eg more documented evidence/proof of why someone is hired, perhaps to include videotaping interviews, etc. Evidence/proof of any extreme deviation from demographic norms will be required...eg a company in an area with 20% blacks but only 2% blacks work there, or a company in an area with only 2% blacks but 20% of the company is black. Obviously this would be very hard/dicey to implement....but we weren't talking about something with a realistic chance of happening were we
7 - Profiling, given just cause (eg profiling Middle Eastern folks, esp. admitted Muslims), is enacted at places like airports, stadiums, military bases, etc (ie obvious prime terrorist targets).
8 - Flag-burning is against the law with more than a token fine for breaking it (not saying a ridiculous amount tho either - no specific number jumps to mind). Spare me the "freedom of expression" BS. Too many people far better than the ones doing this gave their lives and it's like spitting on their graves. There are many other (and much more effective) ways to express one's displeasure with the gov't/country.
9 - Abortion, if permitted, must have consent of BOTH PARENTS. I'm sick to death of the sexist "it's my body" BS by women. This isn't a kidney or gallstone we're talking about. That child is as much the man's as it is the women's. How can his opinion not count?? The exceptions would be rape, incest, or if her life was in danger; then it's her call.
10 - Cameras are installed on all major highways and as many public places as reasonably possible (excluding stuff like parks, neighborhood roads, inside work areas, etc). We can catch/prevent a lot of crimes this way and spare me the "big brother" bit. They have these in malls and other public places already and nobody cares; it should be no BFD unless you're paranoid.
11 - Litterers are given much stiffer fines and more money is devoted to catching these unthinking pigs.
12 - "Noise polluters" are cracked down on one HELLUVA lot more. You do not have the right to be obnoxious. eg cops will no longer hesitate to pull car music blasters over and ticket them, and the tickets will carry very stiff fines. Further, repeat offenders automatically lose the offending equipment. Further still, parents who are unable/unwilling to teach their childen to behave in public are forced into "How to be a Parent" classes - if they still do not comply, they are banned from public places such as restuarants, theaters, etc (where they never should have been allowed in the first place). Maybe something like the ol Scarlet Letter idea; bring it on.
13 - When you vote for someone, you have to give a reason why. In order not to bring the voting booths to a crawl, however (they're bad enough already), you must have this prepared on a form and bring it with you. You don't bring it, you don't vote. Further, "I'm voting for this person because they are or aren't a Democrat/Republican/liberal/conservative" will not qualify. Enough of this growing black-and-white mindless gibberish where people vote as a symbol of their social status. I mean actual reasons, like how you agree with their policy on this or that.
14 - Mandatory military service - at least a year or 2. And as Robert Heinlein said (pardon the plagiarism
), "if you don't serve 2 years in the military, you don't get to vote. Because if you refuse to defend a free society, you should have no say in how it is run." Right on. Freedoms aren't free and since everyone expects to enjoy them as a "right," it's high time everyone also EARNED them, at least a little.
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Congratulations, that's gotta be the most on-topic post yet.
1. I think that being in the same room as a 90 year old sleeping indian man will not in any way affect how well I contort my body.
2. I don't believe that when someone physically pushes me into a position and in turn causes an injury that it was somehow my fault for not "surrendering", or that the injury is somehow a good thing.
3. I feel that teaching millenias old science as though it were fact, and being unwilling to even talk about the evidence for it would be laughable if it weren't so reprehensible. This includes things like chakras, chi, meridians, astrology, the "five elements", etc.
4. I think that just because someone can't do this: http://mysore.ashtanga.info/foto-gallerie/Sheshadri/02__Yoganirdasana.html, doesn't mean that doing this: http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/689_1.cfm is dangerous.
5. Research into genetic engineering is a good thing.
That might not make me very extreme around here, but believe me, it does amoung a lot of the people I associate with. There are good things to teaching yoga, but there are bad ones as well, like being professionaly looked down upon for not kissing an old man's feet.
More generally:
5. Euthanasia is completely acceptable.
6. Ditto abortion. Now I get really extreme - I have no moral objection to infanticide at a very young age. Don't ask me what that age should be. Child abuse? Yes, infanticide, no.
7. I too felt exhillaration when watching 9/11 on TV, and exasperation at the reporters wondering where this "explosion" (the first one) had come from when you clearly saw a plane fly into the building. I get excited at most natural disasters, especially when you can't actually see the human suffering. Doesn't mean I feel good about it, though.
8. I actually agree that if done scientifically there might be some forms of eugenics (based on the real world and not people's made up rasict notions of it) that might make sense. For example a program to erradicate certain genetic diseases, if it could work, I might support that.
9. I think it's obvious by now that I don't think having children is a right. I agree with others about licensing parenthood.
10. I think I will live for ever. I don't know why exactly, and it's entirely illogical, but I just like to think that, so I go right on doing so. Oh, I try to give myself reasons to believe it - perhaps Erik Dressler was right; maybe life expectancy will continue to increase at a rate of more than 1year/year, as medical science advances; maybe if I don't think about dying it just won't ever happen; ect.
Deep down I know it's totally irrational, but even knowing so hasn't changed that. I guess I'm still young and haven't had to face the horrible signs of my own mortality too much yet. Thank god. On the other hand there are a lot of topics that are informed by my knowledge of my and everyone's mortality. Ain't contradiction great?
11. Oh, yeah, sign me up for the death penalty too.. hmm, bad way to phrase that. I don't think there's anything sacred or all that special about human life. Just mine and the people I care about. But I think I'd rather be executed than spend even 5 years in prison.
12. On the other hand I love dogs and think they are the greatest!
More later.
And I genuinely try to confront my irrational beliefs!
2. I don't believe that when someone physically pushes me into a position and in turn causes an injury that it was somehow my fault for not "surrendering", or that the injury is somehow a good thing.
3. I feel that teaching millenias old science as though it were fact, and being unwilling to even talk about the evidence for it would be laughable if it weren't so reprehensible. This includes things like chakras, chi, meridians, astrology, the "five elements", etc.
4. I think that just because someone can't do this: http://mysore.ashtanga.info/foto-gallerie/Sheshadri/02__Yoganirdasana.html, doesn't mean that doing this: http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/689_1.cfm is dangerous.
5. Research into genetic engineering is a good thing.
That might not make me very extreme around here, but believe me, it does amoung a lot of the people I associate with. There are good things to teaching yoga, but there are bad ones as well, like being professionaly looked down upon for not kissing an old man's feet.
More generally:
5. Euthanasia is completely acceptable.
6. Ditto abortion. Now I get really extreme - I have no moral objection to infanticide at a very young age. Don't ask me what that age should be. Child abuse? Yes, infanticide, no.
7. I too felt exhillaration when watching 9/11 on TV, and exasperation at the reporters wondering where this "explosion" (the first one) had come from when you clearly saw a plane fly into the building. I get excited at most natural disasters, especially when you can't actually see the human suffering. Doesn't mean I feel good about it, though.
8. I actually agree that if done scientifically there might be some forms of eugenics (based on the real world and not people's made up rasict notions of it) that might make sense. For example a program to erradicate certain genetic diseases, if it could work, I might support that.
9. I think it's obvious by now that I don't think having children is a right. I agree with others about licensing parenthood.
10. I think I will live for ever. I don't know why exactly, and it's entirely illogical, but I just like to think that, so I go right on doing so. Oh, I try to give myself reasons to believe it - perhaps Erik Dressler was right; maybe life expectancy will continue to increase at a rate of more than 1year/year, as medical science advances; maybe if I don't think about dying it just won't ever happen; ect.
Deep down I know it's totally irrational, but even knowing so hasn't changed that. I guess I'm still young and haven't had to face the horrible signs of my own mortality too much yet. Thank god. On the other hand there are a lot of topics that are informed by my knowledge of my and everyone's mortality. Ain't contradiction great?
11. Oh, yeah, sign me up for the death penalty too.. hmm, bad way to phrase that. I don't think there's anything sacred or all that special about human life. Just mine and the people I care about. But I think I'd rather be executed than spend even 5 years in prison.
12. On the other hand I love dogs and think they are the greatest!
More later.
And I genuinely try to confront my irrational beliefs!
Oh, and, 13. I genuinely believe everyone should learn to speak english because it would make things easier for me. I live in China and don't speak chinese but get annoyed by the people who don't speak english.
1. I believe that PETA violates the hate laws.
2. I believe that Religious Institutions,Religious buildings, religious demonstrations,rituals,signs of religion should be prohibited in public places.Practicing or discussing about religion should be allowed only in the privacy of one's home. Those who violated the Law and attempted to talk about Religion in public should be imprisoned. Those who attempted to impose their religious beliefs on others should go in jail for lifetime.In my opinion this is the only way to combat extremism without violating human rights.
2. Anti-abortion BUT after providing an alternative to the mother and the kid.
3. Legalization of all the drugs in order to unblock the legal system, combat the corruption of cops and judges and clean the jails.
4. Make Germans declare in public and in writing that they have finally realized that Europe doesn't belong to them. Make the British declare in public and in writing that they have understood that Britain is not the 52th State.
5.Imprison for life those who sugar coat crimes in order to hide their shame. For example pedophilia.
6. Give nazi groups unlimited time in the Media to analyze their ideas. The same stands for Israel haters,those who believe that Israel should be disappear,antisemites and the rest of the zoo. Give the room to talk, pass them the mic but don't protect them. Throw them in the arena of the political system and of the political debate.
7.Vegetarians should be asked politely but in an official fashion to think before they talk.
8. Owners of restaurants who sell junk food should be sentenced to be fed ( them and their kids) with what the serve to other people.( Maybe you don't know it but rarely restaurant owners eat in their own restaurant).
9.NYorkers should be forced to admit that NYork is just ok in comparison to London and that the ability to build tall buildings and buy expensive Art that was produced in Europe doesn't make you civilized.
10. Americans should admit that they might be cool but they have centuries ahead of them in order to arrive to the point that they are able to see just the back of Europe and I am thinking that every American should be forced to wash his hands before typing the word Europe but I am not ready yet to adopt such an extremist view.
2. I believe that Religious Institutions,Religious buildings, religious demonstrations,rituals,signs of religion should be prohibited in public places.Practicing or discussing about religion should be allowed only in the privacy of one's home. Those who violated the Law and attempted to talk about Religion in public should be imprisoned. Those who attempted to impose their religious beliefs on others should go in jail for lifetime.In my opinion this is the only way to combat extremism without violating human rights.
2. Anti-abortion BUT after providing an alternative to the mother and the kid.
3. Legalization of all the drugs in order to unblock the legal system, combat the corruption of cops and judges and clean the jails.
4. Make Germans declare in public and in writing that they have finally realized that Europe doesn't belong to them. Make the British declare in public and in writing that they have understood that Britain is not the 52th State.
5.Imprison for life those who sugar coat crimes in order to hide their shame. For example pedophilia.
6. Give nazi groups unlimited time in the Media to analyze their ideas. The same stands for Israel haters,those who believe that Israel should be disappear,antisemites and the rest of the zoo. Give the room to talk, pass them the mic but don't protect them. Throw them in the arena of the political system and of the political debate.
7.Vegetarians should be asked politely but in an official fashion to think before they talk.
8. Owners of restaurants who sell junk food should be sentenced to be fed ( them and their kids) with what the serve to other people.( Maybe you don't know it but rarely restaurant owners eat in their own restaurant).
9.NYorkers should be forced to admit that NYork is just ok in comparison to London and that the ability to build tall buildings and buy expensive Art that was produced in Europe doesn't make you civilized.
10. Americans should admit that they might be cool but they have centuries ahead of them in order to arrive to the point that they are able to see just the back of Europe and I am thinking that every American should be forced to wash his hands before typing the word Europe but I am not ready yet to adopt such an extremist view.
Yes it does, they bought it fair and square.
On a slightly more sereous note, I personally think the demand would be more appropriate for France
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Let's see...
Income tax should be divided into two portions: (1) a flat per-person services fee; (2) an income-redistribution tax.
Criminals should be required to repay their victims.
There should be a stiff tax imposed on clothing that contains advertisements for manufacturers.
Meat eaters should be asked politely but in an official fashion to think before they talk.
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Income tax should be divided into two portions: (1) a flat per-person services fee; (2) an income-redistribution tax.
Criminals should be required to repay their victims.
There should be a stiff tax imposed on clothing that contains advertisements for manufacturers.
Meat eaters should be asked politely but in an official fashion to think before they talk.
~~ Paul
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Say what?!?Cleopatra said:
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Who thinks this stuff up?Roboramma said:
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Yes, we do.
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Geez, folks. Let's implement all these ridiculous laws. We need a nice totalitarian regime around here. No wonder Shanek gets so much crap.
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ridiculous = disagreeing with you?
Perhaps you missed the premise of the thread--these are self-described "extremist" views. Even the people reporting them see them as extremist.
My extremist views:
1) We have a right to keep our political views private--that is why there is a curtain on the voting booth.
2) See #1.
3) There is no free will.
4) "Mind" as a causal entity is an illusion.
5) Food bigots are deserving of pity.
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No, ridiculous as in undefinable and unenforcable and clearly slippery-sloped.
Indeed, and I'm agreeing that they are extreme. I presume people really hold these views, and aren't just making them up to be extra double extremist-sounding.
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Strangely, I don't consider those extremist, but I guess most people would.
Ditto on no free will and consciousness is an illusion.
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In a load-on-resources sense. Decent nitrogen-fixing fertilizers had just been introduced, but then the world population exploded.
Industrial pollution was bad, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it got later.
Think about Mercutio's proposal. If you ever need somebody to lobby for you and turn your belief according to which calling somebody a woo the way you keep doing all the time, constitutes civil behavior let me know because I have guts strong enough to include it in mylist.
Indeed, and I'm agreeing that they are extreme. I presume people really hold these views, and aren't just making them up to be extra double extremist-sounding.
Again they are extreme when compared to some current beliefs and ideas. 50 years ago asking for women to vote was considered THE extreme idea.
You presume incorrectly (in my singularly un-humble opinion), it's pretty clear that some of these suggestions are not views the posters really hold, but more like things they'd sometimes like to do, but know perfectly well are impossible and/or idiotic for a hundred different reasons.No, ridiculous as in undefinable and unenforcable.
Indeed, and I'm agreeing that they are extreme. I presume people really hold these views, and aren't just making them up to be extra double extremist-sounding.
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