What did Democrats do wrong?

[Safe-Keeper]

I'm curious how much time MAGA spends manufacturing dumb bull ◊◊◊◊ like this to wedge the square peg of their delusions into the round hole of reality.

Every piece fits in the 'MAGA Ackbar!' hole to the Y'all-Qaida.

 

[TomB]

I'm still curious how many of the 47% who have no convictions or pending criminal charges are immediate families of the convict or charged individual.

I'm curious where your 47% number comes from. the link from Zipr you seem to be referring to said 73.6%. Did you mean 74% and transpose the numbers or do you have a separate source that accounts for pending charges as well as convictions?

That said, people should not be penalized for pending charges. Wait for the conviction.

From one of your previous posts:

TA: I'm curious how many of the people without charges are the immediate families of someone with charges, and whether you (collective) support separating families in order to let illegal aliens without criminal charges stay?

That seems like a strange question.
Why would not deporting family members be "separating families?" that makes no sense.
Not deporting hem gives the family the freedom to decide what the best option would be for them.

Basing the justification on keeping families together doesn't make sense.
If you based your argument simply on illegal aliens encountered in the process of detaining a criminal alien, it would be more sound. Debatable, but at least based on sound logic.

 

[Emily's Cat]

I'm curious where your 47% number comes from. the link from Zipr you seem to be referring to said 73.6%. Did you mean 74% and transpose the numbers or do you have a separate source that accounts for pending charges as well as convictions?

Zipr quoted 73.6% without convictions. Which is technically true, and materially misleading. The attached data shows that 26% are convicted criminals, 26% have pending criminal charges, and 47% have other immigration violations.

That said, people should not be penalized for pending charges. Wait for the conviction.

I get where you're coming from... but I'm not sure I agree. Bear in mind that immigration violations ARE crimes, and that's already documented. If someone is in your house without your permission, why should you have to wait until they punch you before you evict them? While it's certainly *nice* of us to grant those illegal aliens all the same privileges of a citizen, in truth they aren't required to go through the entirety of the criminal courts before they can be detained and/or deported. The reality is that a nice hard-working visa overstay who has never even received a parking ticket can be deported because they are present in the country illegally.

My objective in referencing the 47% is that those are people for whom no criminal activity is known or suspected - for all intents those are your 'honest' illegals. And I'm curious how many of those were tantamount to visa overstays as I mentioned above, as opposed to the immediate family of someone in the 53% convicted or charged.

From one of your previous posts:

That seems like a strange question.
Why would not deporting family members be "separating families?" that makes no sense.
Not deporting hem gives the family the freedom to decide what the best option would be for them.

Basing the justification on keeping families together doesn't make sense.
If you based your argument simply on illegal aliens encountered in the process of detaining a criminal alien, it would be more sound. Debatable, but at least based on sound logic.

Imagine a scenario where one member of a 5 person family is a convicted criminal, but all 5 of them are here illegally. The one, Alex, gets picked up based on their criminal past. Which do you prefer: 1) Alex gets deported, but the other 4 members of Alex's family get to stay here even though they're here illegally, thus separating families? Or 2) Alex and their whole family get deported together.

 

[dirtywick]

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/02/02/trump-nationalize-elections-2026-midterms-00760015

the guy who committed election fraud in 2020 and recently had the fbi raid georgia election offices goes on disgraced former fbi direction dan bongino's conspiracy theorist podcast and says they should take over the vote in 15 places, pledges to bring honestly to the 2026 midterms. i know we're off the voter id stuff and how important to preventing election fraud that was, and on to whether or not ice terrorizing blue cities near canada is making the border safer, but if you're at all concerned about election integrity that seems like some stuff to maybe look into

 

[arthwollipot]

 

[theprestige]

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Foreign policy, including alliances and relations with allies, is absolutely a Senator's job.

Where Democrats go wrong on this issue, for me, is when my own city council makes a point of having a formal position on Israel-Palestine, instead of focusing on the myriad basic problems in the city they're actually responsible for.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

Nope, totally not looking at the same thing. Not even looking at the same thing I was looking at before! Earlier today, Zipr's link took me to a page with data from 2020. The exact same link clicked a second ago takes me to 2025.

Internet gremlins.

There are two different links in his post. I just realized that myself.

 

[Donal]

Imagine a scenario where one member of a 5 person family is a convicted criminal, but all 5 of them are here illegally. The one, Alex, gets picked up based on their criminal past. Which do you prefer: 1) Alex gets deported, but the other 4 members of Alex's family get to stay here even though they're here illegally, thus separating families? Or 2) Alex and their whole family get deported together.

Those are not the only 2 options

Imagine a scenario where you are worried about actual problems in this country instead of looking for "others" to demonize. I know its hard, but try to imagine it.

 

[Trausti]

Those are not the only 2 options

Imagine a scenario where you are worried about actual problems in this country instead of looking for "others" to demonize. I know its hard, but try to imagine it.

Imagine a scenario where a foreigner who enters another country without permission is required to leave. Like in pretty much ever other country in the world. How this became controversial 20 minutes ago is just bizarre.

 

[ZiprHead]

Your source is from April 2020.

Really???

48,377 out of 65,735—or 73.6% held in ICE detention have no criminal conviction according to data current as of November 30, 2025. Many of those convicted committed only minor offenses, including traffic violations.

I have no idea how you made that mistake.

 

[Trausti]

261 Americans deported from Mexico through Baja California in 2023

In 2023 alone, 288 foreign nationals were deported out of Baja to countries such as Peru, Germany, Colombia, Honduras, El Salvador, but most were Americans.

In all, more than 17,000 people were deported from Mexico last year, with more than 2,500 from China alone. Another 1,500 were sent back to Uzbekistan.

How many of these people had criminal convictions? Mexico is so fascist.

 

[Trausti]

Gov't crackdown nets record 38,000 illegal immigrants this year

SEOUL, Dec. 14 (Yonhap) -- The government's crackdown on foreigners staying or working illegally in South Korea netted about 38,000 people this year, the largest number ever, the Ministry of Justice said Thursday.

Koreans are fascists.

 

[ZiprHead]

Zipr quoted 73.6% without convictions. Which is technically true, and materially misleading. The attached data shows that 26% are convicted criminals, 26% have pending criminal charges, and 47% have other immigration violations.
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I get where you're coming from... but I'm not sure I agree. Bear in mind that immigration violations ARE crimes, and that's already documented. If someone is in your house without your permission, why should you have to wait until they punch you before you evict them? While it's certainly *nice* of us to grant those illegal aliens all the same privileges of a citizen, in truth they aren't required to go through the entirety of the criminal courts before they can be detained and/or deported. The reality is that a nice hard-working visa overstay who has never even received a parking ticket can be deported because they are present in the country illegally.

My objective in referencing the 47% is that those are people for whom no criminal activity is known or suspected - for all intents those are your 'honest' illegals. And I'm curious how many of those were tantamount to visa overstays as I mentioned above, as opposed to the immediate family of someone in the 53% convicted or charged.

From the bottom of the TracReports page you snipped.

* Dates before 11/15/2021 refer to the date ICE posted the data; dates after 11/15/2021 refer to the date the information was current as of.
** ICE classifies an individual as a convicted criminal if they have been convicted of any criminal violation. Violations can range from serious felonies all the way down to a purely immigration violation (such as illegal entry which is a petty offense under the U.S. Code), or a violation which results in only in a fine such as not keeping a dog on a leash, fishing without a permit, driving a vehicle with a tail light out, etc. For historical series on ICE detainees identifying the most serious offense they have been convicted of along with other details such as when they entered the U.S., nationality, gender, etc. go to https://tracreports.org/phptools/immigration/detention/

 

[thaiboxerken]

Gov't crackdown nets record 38,000 illegal immigrants this year



Koreans are fascists.

How precious it is that you believe the immigration policy is the only trait that shows Trump's Regime is fascist....

 

[Donal]

Imagine a scenario where a foreigner who enters another country without permission is required to leave. Like in pretty much ever other country in the world. How this became controversial 20 minutes ago is just bizarre.

What are you afraid of? They will start acting like white people? Bringing disease and all kinds of crimes agaisnt humanity.

Also, you aren't very knowledgeable on the topic if you think this is a new "controversy". If I were as ill informed, I would hang back and let people who actually know what they are talking about discuss the issue. It's a good way to learn. Try it.

 

[johnny karate]

Imagine a scenario where a foreigner who enters another country without permission is required to leave. Like in pretty much ever other country in the world. How this became controversial 20 minutes ago is just bizarre.

And imagine a scenario in which immigration laws were enforced without breaking other laws, violating court orders, and pissing on the Constitution.

Shouldn't be too hard because that's what we had in this country before Trump.

 

[johnny karate]

261 Americans deported from Mexico through Baja California in 2023



How many of these people had criminal convictions? Mexico is so fascist.

Gov't crackdown nets record 38,000 illegal immigrants this year



Koreans are fascists.

How many laws were broken in the process?

How many court orders violated?

How many legal immigrants and citizens were harassed, detained, arrested, or murdered?

Because these are what the issues are, not your ridiculous straw man.

 

[Roger Ramjets]

With this thread now having close to 4,000 posts it might be time to reiterate that Democrats didn't actually do anything wrong. The voters had a clear choice between democracy and dictatorship. 68% of them chose the latter. 36% either didn't think their vote counted, didn't think it mattered who was in power, or were simply too lazy to do their civic duty. 30% would have voted for the Devil himself if he had an 'R' next to his name. Only ~2% chose Trump because they stupidly thought he would be better than Harris - which was enough to swing it in his favor.

We all knew what Trump would do if he got back in power. We all knew he was a grifter, a racist, a rapist and a fraud. He straight out told us he planned to be a dictator, and showed us how he would become one. And 68% of voters told us they either wanted that or didn't care.

You can argue about whether Democrats were sufficiently 'progressive', or how much the US should have supported either side in various conflicts around the world, how the government should have dealt with immigration, trade and inflation etc., but if you used any of those issues as an excuse not to vote for Harris then you were choosing not to argue at all. Because you were choosing what the Dictator wanted, and any disagreement you had would be ignored or worse. You chose to embrace actual fascism, where the government and big business collude to aggrandize themselves while suppressing the voice of the people.

Perhaps you even wanted that. Perhaps you were one of the selfish pricks who only cared about the price of eggs, or a bigot who can't stand the thought of sharing with people who are 'different'. Perhaps you're a religious nutter trying to hasten your ascent to Heaven, or you might just be angry at the World and want to see it burn. Or perhaps you're a liberal who wants Democrats to burn for not being sufficiently 'pure' for you. But whatever the reason you chose fascism, you can't blame Democrats for it. That mistake was yours alone.

 

[Tero]

They know everything! Vast corruption! Only Trump speaks trtuth! Lobbyists!
Covid was a tool to steal the election! ...list of conspiracies...election of 2020 stolen...truth coming any day!

Can't argue them. Won't argue them. I think we need Covid II to kill them. Because....masks!

 

[Beelzebuddy]

With this thread now having close to 4,000 posts it might be time to
reiterate that Democrats didn't actually do anything wrong. The voters had a clear choice between democracy and dictatorship. 68% of them chose the latter. 36% either didn't think their vote counted, didn't think it mattered who was in power, or were simply too lazy to do their civic duty. 30% would have voted for the Devil himself if he had an 'R' next to his name. Only ~2% chose Trump because they stupidly thought he would be better than Harris - which was enough to swing it in his favor.

We all knew what Trump would do if he got back in power. We all knew he was a grifter, a racist, a rapist and a fraud. He straight out told us he planned to be a dictator, and showed us how he would become one. And 68% of voters told us they either wanted that or didn't care.

You can argue about whether Democrats were sufficiently 'progressive', or how much the US should have supported either side in various conflicts around the world, how the government should have dealt with immigration, trade and inflation etc., but if you used any of those issues as an excuse not to vote for Harris then you were choosing not to argue at all. Because you were choosing what the Dictator wanted, and any disagreement you had would be ignored or worse. You chose to embrace actual fascism, where the government and big business collude to aggrandize themselves while suppressing the voice of the people.

Perhaps you even wanted that. Perhaps you were one of the selfish pricks who only cared about the price of eggs, or a bigot who can't stand the thought of sharing with people who are 'different'. Perhaps you're a religious nutter trying to hasten your ascent to Heaven, or you might just be angry at the World and want to see it burn. Or perhaps you're a liberal who wants Democrats to burn for not being sufficiently 'pure' for you. But whatever the reason you chose fascism, you can't blame Democrats for it. That mistake was yours alone.

The party can never fail, only be failed.



If you ever want things to get better, you need to understand how things got this bad in the first place. It wasn't this single election that broke everything.

[ETA] Here, I'll start. Rep Henry Cuellar, D, TX. This MFer is a pile of red flags stuffed into a business suit. Everything about him is something Democrats needed to stop doing about two decades ago. He's anti-abortion. He's pro-ICE. He was convicted of money laundering and bribery, and then pardoned by Trump. He's still in office, still sitting on multiple appropriations committees.

Yet, despite all that, the day after the SCOTUS overturned Roe v Wade, Nancy Pelosi flew out to campaign for him against his primary opponent. Who lost by a few hundred votes. After that he sailed into office because he's in a gerrymandered blue district, he's no Manchin where anything of value might have been lost.

This is what people see their Democrat leadership actively protecting. Hopefully I don't have to go into detail about how astoundingly goddamn stupid optics like that are.