What did Democrats do wrong?

[Emily's Cat]

So point out the vandalism.

And charge people who have been breaking the law.

It doesn't excuse the clear overreach, and violation of due process and abuse both non citizens and citizens.

I haven't suggested that it excuses overreach. I will, however, point out that law enforcement in Minneapolis is NOT PURSUING any kind of charges for vandalism or property damage.

Are you pretending that there hasn't been any?

 

[W.D.Clinger]

As evidenced by there being no change at all in EU and UK expenditures for their country defenses, and to defend Ukraine, when Trump *said* they were going to stop footing the bill against Russia?

I'd have thought the 62.8% rise in EU defense expenditures between 2020 and 2025 should count as a change in EU defense expenditures, but I do not have a graduate degree in MAGA math.

 

[bruto]

I'd have thought the 62.8% rise in EU defense expenditures between 2020 and 2025 should count as a change in EU defense expenditures, but I do not have a graduate degree in MAGA math.

But the leader who says magnets don't work when they're wet and windmills don't work when it's cold, and counts percentages in the thousands might disagree. I mean, you need to listen to both sides!

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Dems willing to keep funding Trump's death squads for vague promises of more considerate terrorizing of migrants and citizens.

 

[Segnosaur]

Dems willing to keep funding Trump's death squads for vague promises of more considerate terrorizing of migrants and citizens.

Its a little more complex than that.

Trump strikes deal with Democrats in government shutdown funding fight

The agreement includes advancing five spending bills and funding the Department of Homeland Security for two weeks as lawmakers negotiate changes to DHS and ICE.

www.nbcnews.com

President Donald Trump and Senate Democrats struck a deal Thursday to avert a prolonged shutdown for most of the federal government...
The agreement would fund all of the government except for the Department of Homeland Security through September. DHS would operate on a two-week stopgap bill...

In theory, it could be a good thing... it allows funding for Trump's gestapo to be separated from government services that, you know, people actually use/need (Things like the pentagon, transportation, education, etc.). And, if the Democrats play hardball (yeah, I understand your skepticism on this), they could even kill off DHS/ICE funding without it affecting the rest of the government.

The alternative would have been to do a complete government shutdown, which might give some posters here wet dreams, but those sorts of things do create a lot of collateral damage. (Regular government workers caught in the cross fire who see their lives upended, people with a critical need for certain government services, etc.)

 

[Pixel42]

I haven't suggested that it excuses overreach. I will, however, point out that law enforcement in Minneapolis is NOT PURSUING any kind of charges for vandalism or property damage.

Are you pretending that there hasn't been any?

AFAICS protesters in Minneapolis have been mostly careful to stay within the law. They obviously don't want to give the armed masked thugs terrorising their neighbourhoods, nor the administration which sent them, any excuse to escalate. But yes, I'd be surprised if tempers haven't frayed enough for a few such charges to be legitimately brought, and am puzzled as to why they haven't been.

For example there is a video going round which seems to show a protester kicking and breaking the tail light of an unmarked vehicle carrying masked, armed, unidentified people. Assuming they're law enforcement officers, definitely grounds for arrest on such charges you might think. The vehicle stops and they get out, but they make no attempt to arrest the offending protester. Instead they pile onto him, kicking and beating him down onto the ground. (By an amazing coincidence it's the same protester who will later be shot dead after again being kicked and beaten down onto the ground for going to the aid of a woman being similarly treated).

So do please explain to me why law enforcement are not pursuing any kind of charges for vandalism or property damage, but are instead apparently responding to it with yet more violence.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

I'd have thought the 62.8% rise in EU defense expenditures between 2020 and 2025 should count as a change in EU defense expenditures, but I do not have a graduate degree in MAGA math.

It depends how you calculate it, do it one way and it's a 62.8% increase, use Deranged Narcissist with Dementia Maths and it's a reduction of 1386%^i.

 

[bruto]

I think it's interesting that it has gone this way this time. In the last shutdown, the Republicans were all in for blaming the Democrats for it all, but aside from health care being a different issue, I don't think it worked that well in the end. People are less likely to pay attention to the likely storm of anti-DHS rhetoric and testimony if it's over a limited bill than over the shutdown of the government.