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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 15.2%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 22 27.8%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 28 35.4%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 26 32.9%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 3 3.8%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 14 17.7%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 8 10.1%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 6 7.6%

  • Total voters
    79
When did they say that the democrats didn't make any mistakes? As far as I can tell, most of the people on here who voted for them, thought not pressing Biden to drop out far earlier than he did was a huge mistake, for instance (I could name dozens more) To some degree, people vote both for and against something in most elections, but voting for Trump, and then blaming anything the democrats did, is bonkers. And so is Trump, plus a lot of other things that no one should want in a leader of one of the greatest powers in the world.
 
Again you're proving my point that none of the other baggage that comes with defending illegal immigration were a consideration in your take on this. There's one of your answers as to why the election swung the way it did, whether you'll acknowledge it or not.

PS the race bait trend has existed since before Maga existed. Obama and Hillary's campaign being recent (but not exclusive) examples. I'm not sure what you expect to achieve pretending this trend started much later. Trump wasn't running in 2008 or 2012.

Either way, since you are tripling down on this being nothing but race related, we're done here. Have fun.
I didn't defend illegal immigration. You made that up. Which one of us is displaying their baggage?

You are right about one thing though: Republicans *have* been race-baiting for a lot longer than just since Trump.
 
Framing it as a race based issue when it's not is outrageously disingenuous.
Tom Homan made it a race based issue
Are you okay with supporting human traffickers indenturing immigrants into forced servitude?
No, but you seem to be. what you are advocating does not address that issue. By making the victims the targets of detention, you motivate them to stay in hiding and silent on the abuses they suffer.
Are you okay with Sanctuary Cities denying immigration retainers and performing catch/release/cashless bail on individuals that were picked up for crimes like murder, assault, sexual abuse?
If that were happening, I would not be OK with it. Fortunately, that only happens in the wet dreams of right-wingers.
Are you fine with a percentage of ille- (sorry, "undocumented") immigrants committing serious crimes and being allowed release back into the public?
see above
When you make everything about race without exception,
pointing out blatant racism is not "making everything about race".
that's part of the problem, because you've over-simplified the issue to sheer absurdity and show a willingness to ignore legitimate problems.
that's funny coming from the person peddling wild stories about immigrant murderers being released on cashless bail.
And if you want to get down to calling non-violent and otherwise law-abiding "undocumented immigrants" victims.
Citizenship status and victim status are separate concepts. If someone's rights are violated, they are victims. You can challenge the severity of the violation and who bears responsibility, but not the status itself.
It's fairly obvious they should have gone through the visa process.
You know they are picking up visa and green card holders, right? A lot of people are tryin to do it the "right way". People are getting grabbed at courthouses and government offices to work on their status. American citizens have been deported.
But when you break laws, you need to be held accountable.
Really? Like, rape and insurrection? How about violating someone's constitutionally enumerated rights? When do those lowlifes get held accountable? Spare me your fake "law and order" pearl clutching.
That's how the world spins.
Rich white men get away with whatever they want and army of bootlickers excuses it. Yes, that's the way it spins. Some of us want to put a stop to it.
When you don't enforce the law and you make it only about the race bait,
Again, the goons you are simping for are breaking the law and said they are targeting victims based on race.
you apparently don't take seriously the same immigrants being used effectively as slaves to smugglers that brought them in,
Again, these heavy handed tactics that force the victims into hiding are not what addresses that
much less any crime that follows from not caring about how porous the border is.
The Canadian border? Because it is easier to cross that than the Mexican border. Not to mention that at least 40% of "illegal" immigrants here are on expired visas. And some, like Elon Musk violated the terms of their visa. Others, like Melania Knauss lied on their applications. Funny how they are never targeted. I wonder white that is.

The reality is, undocumented immigration is not an issue at the border. It's a policy and business issue.
Point being you focus on calling them victims based off an absurd hyperbole,
Their rights are being violated. That's not hyperbole.
but don't even acknowledge how allowing the immigration issue to explode as much as it has,
The hysteria has exploded. Not actual immigration.
has itself made many of them victims, be they to the cartels, smugglers, whatever... That's the irony.
The irony is, this ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ "law and order" nonsense is what helps keep these people in vulnerable positions. Do you know what role our foreign policy plays in all this? Have you seen our history with regards to Latin America? Ever heard of Dole plc (formerly Standard Fruit Company)?
 
Framing it as a race based issue when it's not is outrageously disingenuous. Are you okay with supporting human traffickers indenturing immigrants into forced servitude? Are you okay with Sanctuary Cities denying immigration retainers and performing catch/release/cashless bail on individuals that were picked up for crimes like murder, assault, sexual abuse? Are you fine with a percentage of ille- (sorry, "undocumented") immigrants committing serious crimes and being allowed release back into the public? When you make everything about race without exception, that's part of the problem, because you've over-simplified the issue to sheer absurdity and show a willingness to ignore legitimate problems.

And if you want to get down to calling non-violent and otherwise law-abiding "undocumented immigrants" victims. It's fairly obvious they should have gone through the visa process. But when you break laws, you need to be held accountable. That's how the world spins. When you don't enforce the law and you make it only about the race bait, you apparently don't take seriously the same immigrants being used effectively as slaves to smugglers that brought them in, much less any crime that follows from not caring about how porous the border is.

Point being you focus on calling them victims based off an absurd hyperbole, but don't even acknowledge how allowing the immigration issue to explode as much as it has, has itself made many of them victims, be they to the cartels, smugglers, whatever... That's the irony.

That U.S. citizens and people here legally are being harassed, detained, and in some cases even deported has been widely reported.

That the Supreme Court has allowed ICE to engage in racial profiling in their efforts to harass, detain, and deport has been widely reported.

You are either actively lying or completely deluded about what is actually happening.

Either way, you’re proving my thesis. Instead of talking about reality, you’re here spreading misinformation and propaganda.
 
I have to stop you here. I've made specific references to Sanctuary City policies creating a soft on crime environment, and noted that a sizeable proportion of illegal immigration is taking place through trafficking that winds up with those immigrants facing indentured debt while we've been on this side tracking "argument". More aligned with this thread, I also made references to how the Party leadership and the media colluded to keep Biden's decline out of public discussion and denied their base voters the ability to choose an alternative pool of candidates. Numerous other issues I can't be bothered to recall and search through this thread on as well.

The number of replies addressing them so far? Zero. So... again have fun. I'll wait for someone who's interested.

That’s because you’re just regurgitating propaganda and not actually discussing facts and reality.
 
But when you break laws, you need to be held accountable.

That’s why I voted for a 34-time convicted felon and adjudicated sexual assaulter to pardon hundreds of cop-assaulting violent criminals.

All the vitriol you could imagine from the left couldn’t be more insulting to Trump voters than how they portray themselves.
 
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The best analogy I can think of is a dysfunctional houshould.
The GOP is the partner that spends nearly the whole monthly food budget to buy the kids a PS5 as a present. But then only lets them play on it for a single day before using it themselves the whole day every day from then on.
The Democrats are the responsible partner that then cut fun outings, lower the kids allowance and cook very bland and cheap meals to ensure that at least everyone is fed, eventually repairing the financial damage.
At which point the GOP partner goes: See? the Dem partner is a total killjoy, lets do something FUN like disneyland!!
 
The best analogy I can think of is a dysfunctional houshould.
The GOP is the partner that spends nearly the whole monthly food budget to buy the kids a PS5 as a present. But then only lets them play on it for a single day before using it themselves the whole day every day from then on.
The Democrats are the responsible partner that then cut fun outings, lower the kids allowance and cook very bland and cheap meals to ensure that at least everyone is fed, eventually repairing the financial damage.
At which point the GOP partner goes: See? the Dem partner is a total killjoy, lets do something FUN like disneyland!!
You just eerily described my father's household when he was growing up, btw. Not that you asked.
 
The best analogy I can think of is a dysfunctional houshould.
The GOP is the partner that spends nearly the whole monthly food budget to buy the kids a PS5 as a present. But then only lets them play on it for a single day before using it themselves the whole day every day from then on.
The Democrats are the responsible partner that then cut fun outings, lower the kids allowance and cook very bland and cheap meals to ensure that at least everyone is fed, eventually repairing the financial damage.
At which point the GOP partner goes: See? the Dem partner is a total killjoy, lets do something FUN like disneyland!!
Incredible analogy, stealing. I already thought of the GOP as the irresponsible, manipulative parent during a divorce settlement who tells the kids that if they decide to live with him, they'll have chocolate cake for dinner every day, but your analogy works way better than mine.
 
Framing it as a race based issue when it's not is outrageously disingenuous. Are you okay with supporting human traffickers indenturing immigrants into forced servitude? Are you okay with Sanctuary Cities denying immigration retainers and performing catch/release/cashless bail on individuals that were picked up for crimes like murder, assault, sexual abuse? Are you fine with a percentage of ille- (sorry, "undocumented") immigrants committing serious crimes and being allowed release back into the public? When you make everything about race without exception, that's part of the problem, because you've over-simplified the issue to sheer absurdity and show a willingness to ignore legitimate problems.

And if you want to get down to calling non-violent and otherwise law-abiding "undocumented immigrants" victims. It's fairly obvious they should have gone through the visa process. But when you break laws, you need to be held accountable. That's how the world spins. When you don't enforce the law and you make it only about the race bait, you apparently don't take seriously the same immigrants being used effectively as slaves to smugglers that brought them in, much less any crime that follows from not caring about how porous the border is.

Point being you focus on calling them victims based off an absurd hyperbole, but don't even acknowledge how allowing the immigration issue to explode as much as it has, has itself made many of them victims, be they to the cartels, smugglers, whatever... That's the irony.
ICE agents are stopping people in the streets based on their skin color. Their immigration status at that point is irrelevant because the agents do not know if they are here legally or not. It really is based on race. US citizens are being dragged off and held in detainment centers while their identities are confirmed. And it is all based on race.
 
If that were happening, I would not be OK with it. Fortunately, that only happens in the wet dreams of right-wingers.

see above
Unfortunately I don't think you've been following the news to be dismissing it out of hand like this. I could grab more, but best for me to manage how much time I spend on this vs the actual degree of discussion I can expect. Example 1, Example 2, Example 3, Example 4, Example 5

pointing out blatant racism is not "making everything about race".
A broken clock is right twice a day. But in this case you're just using it as a convenient deflection tool.

Citizenship status and victim status are separate concepts. If someone's rights are violated, they are victims. You can challenge the severity of the violation and who bears responsibility, but not the status itself.

You know they are picking up visa and green card holders, right? A lot of people are tryin to do it the "right way". People are getting grabbed at courthouses and government offices to work on their status. American citizens have been deported.
First, the issue is two-fold. When you enter a country illegally (what you wash down to as "undocumented"), you have broken the law already, in most cases just by not entering the country through a designated port of entry. Then you had an administration actively encouraging it and refusing to enforce the laws leading to thousands of border crossings per day.
Secondly, Mexican cartels and smugglers exploited Biden era policies ad nauseum placing many more immigrants trying to cross the border at risk between how they have to pay the smugglers, and the risk incurred while relying on them to cross terrain on the way to the US.
Fourth, subsidized immigrant shelters
Fifth, gangs have exploited migrant sheltering repeatedly to operate while recruiting

Again, the goons you are simping for are breaking the law and said they are targeting victims based on race.

Again, these heavy handed tactics that force the victims into hiding are not what addresses that
Legally, they're not allowed to base detentions and deportations solely on either. They're required to evaluate other more significant factors. If these deportations do happen due to racial and ethnic characteristics solely or primarily, and it's demonstrated, I do not disagree with you that those cases need to be addressed as soon as possible.

The reality is, undocumented immigration is not an issue at the border. It's a policy and business issue.
It is an issue at the border because the volume of it (20 million people, 4 years) is directly influenced by years of policy that didn't enforce border security. The two are co-dependent on each other.
 
Secondly, Mexican cartels and smugglers exploited Biden era policies ad nauseum placing many more immigrants trying to cross the border at risk between how they have to pay the smugglers, and the risk incurred while relying on them to cross terrain on the way to the US.

Fifth, gangs have exploited migrant sheltering repeatedly to operate while recruiting
Are these supposed to be reasons to consider *migrants* the problem, and to be okay with nabbing them off the streets and deporting them without due process?

"Sexual predators often prey on women. We should deport them (the women, that is)."
 
Sorry, it's one of my peeves but no it's not.

If the hands have fallen off or it's just gotten crushed in a freak accident it's never going to be right.
The correct phrasing is "A stopped clock is right twice a day"
It also leavs out the idea of digital clocks...
 

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