What did Democrats do wrong?

[Brainster]

I'm sure the extra deaths were a small price to pay for this greater convenience.

What extra deaths are you talking about? In 1995 (the double-nickel was repealed late that year) the number of automobile deaths was 43,363. The number bounced around in a narrow range for the next decade, but by 1999 the number of deaths was 42,401. So the "extra" deaths that year were actually negative. If you look at the chart showing the deaths per 100 million miles, it has steadily declined over time from about 2.0 in the early 1990s to about 1.3 today.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

What extra deaths are you talking about? In 1995 (the double-nickel was repealed late that year) the number of automobile deaths was 43,363. The number bounced around in a narrow range for the next decade, but by 1999 the number of deaths was 42,401. So the "extra" deaths that year were actually negative. If you look at the chart showing the deaths per 100 million miles, it has steadily declined over time from about 2.0 in the early 1990s to about 1.3 today.

The ones in the article I linked to. Here's the quote again, as you obviously missed it the first time:

In 1984, a comprehensive study by the National Research Council found that the lower speed limits contributed to saving 3,000 to 5,000 lives in 1974 and from 2,000 to 4,000 lives each year thereafter

 

[Brainster]

The ones in the article I linked to. Here's the quote again, as you obviously missed it the first time:

Your go-to is a study from 1984 rather than look at the actual deaths once they repealed the law in 1995? Makes perfect sense, because the actual deaths once they repealed the law don't support your position.

 

[The Don]

Your go-to is a study from 1984 rather than look at the actual deaths once they repealed the law in 1995? Makes perfect sense, because the actual deaths once they repealed the law don't support your position.

After the repealing of the law, road deaths climbed despite vehicles getting safer year on year.

Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

US road deaths are they same now as they were in 1985.

By contrast, the UK's road deaths are 40% of what they were at the time

Reported road casualties Great Britain, annual report: 2022

www.gov.uk

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Yep. It assumes that the competition of selfish people drives society to become better. It ignores historical evidence that shows otherwise.

it also assumes that all people are never under any duress to make any deal.

 

[Reformed Offlian]

After the repealing of the law, road deaths climbed despite vehicles getting safer year on year.

Motor vehicle fatality rate in U.S. by year - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

US road deaths are they same now as they were in 1985.

By contrast, the UK's road deaths are 40% of what they were at the time

Reported road casualties Great Britain, annual report: 2022

www.gov.uk

Note the big drop in 1974. Also, keep in mind that all subsequent annual changes reflect that reduction in basis. Thus, one sees exactly what one would expect if the law was effective: a big initial drop, followed by a resumption of the long-term trend from that new, reduced basis.

 

[Tero]

Latinos hated new migrants. Biden pampering them, they get stuff! When they came in, they had to live in a shoe box!

Immigrants’ Resentment Over New Arrivals Helped Boost Trump’s Popularity With Latino Voters

Across the U.S., Latino immigrants who’ve been in the country a long time felt that asylum-seekers got preferential treatment. “Those of us who have been here for years get nothing,” said one woman from Mexico who has lived in Wisconsin for decades.

www.propublica.org

 

[The Don]

Latinos hated new migrants. Biden pampering them, they get stuff! When they came in, they had to live in a shoe box!

Immigrants’ Resentment Over New Arrivals Helped Boost Trump’s Popularity With Latino Voters

Across the U.S., Latino immigrants who’ve been in the country a long time felt that asylum-seekers got preferential treatment. “Those of us who have been here for years get nothing,” said one woman from Mexico who has lived in Wisconsin for decades.

www.propublica.org

The person featured in the story is an illegal immigrant who is angry that the new migrants, who as asylum seekers have rights denied to illegal immigrants and that Joe Biden hasn't done enough to allow illegal immigrants to secure legal immigration status.

If this person has changed their vote from Biden to Trump then there is something very wrong - they shouldn't be voting.

If this person thinks that supporting Trump won't make their life far more difficult - they are deluding themselves.

 

[Tero]

I thought of that (not voting), but then had to kind of think deeper. I am an immigrant, but never lived in a group area, we were just the outsiders anywhere. So what happens here is that the immigrants as a whole form some opinion within their community. That opinion then determines what the long term immigrants think. Let's say they are 1/3 and they all vote. That would make a difference. If you marry a US Citizen you could vote in 3 years. Most others 5-7 years. Mine was 10.

 

[d4m10n]

If this person has changed their vote from Biden to Trump then there is something very wrong - they shouldn't be voting.

"Rosa, like Valadez, couldn’t vote. But two of Rosa’s U.S.-born children could, and they cast ballots for Trump. One of Rosa’s sons even drives a car with a bumper sticker that says “Let’s Go Brandon” — a popular anti-Biden slogan."

 

[The Don]

"Rosa, like Valadez, couldn’t vote. But two of Rosa’s U.S.-born children could, and they cast ballots for Trump. One of Rosa’s sons even drives a car with a bumper sticker that says “Let’s Go Brandon” — a popular anti-Biden slogan."

In which case, I refer you to my second point:

If this person thinks that supporting Trump won't make their life far more difficult - they are deluding themselves.

Not least because if Rosa is caught up in an illegal immigrant sweep, it's a non-zero likelihood that her US born children will as well which will make their life very much more difficult even if they aren't deported by mistake.

 

[Tero]

How did Stephen Miller (kids in cages) become top ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊? Is there a story? (I used the a-word)

 

[d4m10n]

Not least because if Rosa is caught up in an illegal immigrant sweep, it's a non-zero likelihood that her US born children will as well which will make their life very much more difficult even if they aren't deported by mistake.

I think you're burying the lede here; Rosa's kids literally voted for her to be deported.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

How did Stephen Miller (kids in cages) become top ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊? Is there a story? (I used the a-word)

he has a vampire ability to just be in the background in every room where anything of consequence is happening - if you see the "documentary" about the Trump campaign, he shows up more than any other single person.
It's likely that he is the one holding it all together, knowing everyone and being known by everyone.

 

[Brainster]

After the repealing of the law, road deaths climbed despite vehicles getting safer year on year.

Not true, even by your source. In 1995 (the last year of the double-nickel) the number of deaths was 41,817. Four years later, road deaths had indeed climbed all the way to 41,717, an "increase" of -100 deaths. Basically, it bounced around from about 41,000 to 43000 up until 2007, although because the population and miles traveled were increasing, the per 100,000 population and the per mile figures continued to decline. Then it took sharp and sudden dips in both 2008 and 2009, down to about 33,000. It has only recently (2021) bounced up to the 43,000 level again, which, yes, is the level of 1985, just in raw totals, but is far fewer per mile or per capita.

ETA: The UK is certainly to be commended for its low motor vehicle fatality rate, but I do note that you have achieved this despite not having significantly lower speed limits--70 MPH on motorways.

 

[The Don]

Not true, even by your source. In 1995 (the last year of the double-nickel) the number of deaths was 41,817. Four years later, road deaths had indeed climbed all the way to 41,717, an "increase" of -100 deaths. Basically, it bounced around from about 41,000 to 43000 up until 2007, although because the population and miles traveled were increasing, the per 100,000 population and the per mile figures continued to decline. Then it took sharp and sudden dips in both 2008 and 2009, down to about 33,000. It has only recently (2021) bounced up to the 43,000 level again, which, yes, is the level of 1985, just in raw totals, but is far fewer per mile or per capita.

ETA: The UK is certainly to be commended for its low motor vehicle fatality rate, but I do note that you have achieved this despite not having significantly lower speed limits--70 MPH on motorways.

The US has decreased road deaths per mile or per capita - dealer's choice - far less than other countries. The UK has reduced deaths by 60% in absolute numbers, more per mile or per capita.

A significant part of this is by reducing speed limits on all but our safest roads but car safety is the biggest factor.

 

[Steve]

Assumed intelligence among American voters.

 

[arthwollipot]

Assumed intelligence among American voters.

Unpopular opinion: American voters on average aren't any more stupid than voters in other countries.

 

[Thermal]

Unpopular opinion: American voters on average aren't any more stupid than voters in other countries.

Come take a walk on the streets of the Wild West before committing to that thar stance.

 

[Graham2001]

Some abrasive commentary from the Contrarians at Spiked...

Three weeks on from Kamala Harris’s bruising defeat to Donald Trump, four of her top campaign staff appeared on the Pod Save America podcast to discuss where it all went wrong. Anyone expecting an ounce of self-reflection or contrition will be sorely disappointed. Instead, Jen O’Malley Dillon, David Plouffe, Quentin Fulks and Stephanie Cutter spend the hour-and-a-half-long episode blaming anyone and anything but themselves, the Democratic Party and their dreadful presidential candidate. The podcast is an extended exercise in gaslighting, projection and displacement.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/11/30/the-kamala-campaign-is-in-total-denial/