What did Democrats do wrong?

[thaiboxerken]

They have principles and those are.. whatever The Party tells them the principles are.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Senator John Fetterman (D), on what the Democrats have been doing wrong:


And on the Democrats' chances of winning back voters that they've lost with that approach:

Democrat Sen. John Fetterman blasts party brand as ‘toxic’ after years of ‘shaming and scolding’ voters

Fetterman reiterated his belief that the party did it to itself by constantly attacking and demeaning their opponents.

nypost.com

I can't find the article, but there was one back in November that was looking at party share by cohort. Democrats have been losing margin within black, hispanic, indian, asian, and female cohorts for a few decades now. They still have a higher proportion of those cohorts when compared to Republicans, but the gap is narrowing. The only cohort that Democrats have been gaining margin with is white males. It's completely antithetical to the rhetoric.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Yeah, yeah, voters are snowflakes with preciously sensitive feelings. We know. Got to coddle them just like the eggs they value more than democracy itself.

Sure sure. Totally makes sense that insulting people will convince them to vote for you.

I feel like all the progressives on this site need to take half a day and actually read some good old Dale Carnegie:

 

[Emily's Cat]

If you call a Nazi, a Nazi, they whine.

That's just what a Nazi would say.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Apparently what Dems did wrong was fail to insult their voters enough. If they'd only insulted their voters more, they'd totally have won, but those stupid poopyheads were too dumb and racist to be swayed by the insults.

 

[Trausti]

 

[johnny karate]

Apparently what Dems did wrong was fail to insult their voters enough. If they'd only insulted their voters more, they'd totally have won, but those stupid poopyheads were too dumb and racist to be swayed by the insults.

“Voters” here of course meaning “white people”.

Denigrating minorities with vicious conspiracy theories is a winning strategy.

But making white people feel bad about themselves, not so much.

 

[Brainster]

“Voters” here of course meaning “white people”.

Denigrating minorities with vicious conspiracy theories is a winning strategy.

But making white people feel bad about themselves, not so much.

The two largest demographics of defectors from Trump to Harris were white men (2%) and white women (3%) (black women (2%) also shifted in that direction). The two largest demographics of defectors from Biden 2020 to Trump 2024 were Hispanic men (18%) and Hispanic women (7%).

 

[johnny karate]

The two largest demographics of defectors from Trump to Harris were white men (2%) and white women (3%) (black women (2%) also shifted in that direction). The two largest demographics of defectors from Biden 2020 to Trump 2024 were Hispanic men (18%) and Hispanic women (7%).

I’m not sure how you think that addresses my point, but those Hispanics clearly weren’t paying attention:

Trump-backing Latino evangelicals now feel 'devastated and abandoned' by him: report

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[Tero]

MAGA folk lack education and only think about the next paycheck. We have a problem with this unified "stupid" group. Who are proud to be....stupid. They do not use that word, but that is what it is. Their word is "common sense." But even that just means they go along with the rest, not thinking it through.

I do have a new theory of why Biden was unpopular. Vaccinations. The vaccinations were carried out in huge events. Many a MAGA voter reluctantly took it. We have to get on with life. But as the pandemic hung over us and the administration kept at it, and Fauci lectured to us. That was "too much government" hanging over his head. And he sure was not getting a second COVID shot. He never goes to the doctor, even.

 

[The Don]

MAGA folk lack education and only think about the next paycheck. We have a problem with this unified "stupid" group. Who are proud to be....stupid. They do not use that word, but that is what it is. Their word is "common sense." But even that just means they go along with the rest, not thinking it through.

I do have a new theory of why Biden was unpopular. Vaccinations. The vaccinations were carried out in huge events. Many a MAGA voter reluctantly took it. We have to get on with life. But as the pandemic hung over us and the administration kept at it, and Fauci lectured to us. That was "too much government" hanging over his head. And he sure was not getting a second COVID shot. He never goes to the doctor, even.

I don't think that MAGA supporters are necessarily "stupid". The majority of people aren't anywhere near as engaged in politics as we are. For us it's a hobby and it likely impinges on our family/sports watching/beer drinking/going to church/other hobbies time. These people don't have the time or inclination to immerse themselves in the details of policy, acquaint themselves with the various political and economic theories or run themselves through the various "what if ?" scenarios.

Most people only encounter the political process during an election year and at that point they are most interested in the things that they think are important.

 

[Darat]

Or are told are important.

 

[Tero]

I don't think that MAGA supporters are necessarily "stupid". The majority of people aren't anywhere near as engaged in politics as we are. For us it's a hobby and it likely impinges on our family/sports watching/beer drinking/going to church/other hobbies time. These people don't have the time or inclination to immerse themselves in the details of policy, acquaint themselves with the various political and economic theories or run themselves through the various "what if ?" scenarios.

Most people only encounter the political process during an election year and at that point they are most interested in the things that they think are important.

They really aren't interested in any measurable things. The MAGA voters. They are voting by gut feel and MAGA people want the authoritarian. The price of eggs and gas are trivial things. Here, "big government" was the evil. The people ruinning it were also letting in aliens. Losers. Losers just below them, if they did settle here.
And a good portion of MAGA can be turned into Nazis. If they only had a competent fuhrer.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

I mean, why don't Dems just pick a single thing their main goal that they want to pass, something totally unobjectionable unless you are a monster?

Like Universal Free Child Healthcare: how easy would it be to paint anyone as heartless who opposes this, or even just asks about funding?
Just say that you will do it and somehow find the money?

 

[Donal]

Senator John Fetterman (D), on what the Democrats have been doing wrong:

Listening to rich boy centrists who cosplay as blue collar.

And on the Democrats' chances of winning back voters that they've lost with that approach:

Democrat Sen. John Fetterman blasts party brand as ‘toxic’ after years of ‘shaming and scolding’ voters

Fetterman reiterated his belief that the party did it to itself by constantly attacking and demeaning their opponents.

nypost.com

Ummm, do we remember the little incident Fetterman still won't apologize for?

The ◊◊◊◊ are we listening to him for?

 

[Donal]

Trump was deplatformed? When?

 

[Guybrush Threepwood]

Trump was deplatformed? When?

I would say from that tweet, somewhere around 1/21/21,
Which he was, and it made Twitter better, for a while, then other things happened.....

 

[Donal]

But there were accounts dedicated to just broadcasting what he was saying on Dumb Social. And the media sure as ◊◊◊◊ never let him ramble into an empty void like the mentally decrepit old fool he is. They had to tell the world every inanity he blurted out between filling his diapers.

 

[The Don]

I mean, why don't Dems just pick a single thing their main goal that they want to pass, something totally unobjectionable unless you are a monster?

Like Universal Free Child Healthcare: how easy would it be to paint anyone as heartless who opposes this, or even just asks about funding?
Just say that you will do it and somehow find the money?

You do realise how that would play in the press - Democrats advocating for billions of dollars being wasted on providing gender reassignment surgery to illegal immigrants.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

You do realise how that would play in the press - Democrats advocating for billions of dollars being wasted on providing gender reassignment surgery to illegal immigrants.

so what?
just ask the Parents if they want healthcare for their kids or not.