Moderated What Caused the Plane Shaped Hole

abaddon said:
You think that a full fuel tank and an empty fuel tank have the same density? Really?
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He also seems to think that the outer sheeting is what cut the columns.

Planes don't hold in the air with just outer sheeting.

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The mass/density of water... moving at 500 is like getting hit by MORE than a freight train.

As they say... do the math....
 
GlennB said:
Please explain how water jets can cut steel (you can find examples easily on YouTube).

Basically, you don't understand the concept of "impulse".
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Water requires specialized equipment to cut steel. Utilizing very high pressure, jeweled nozzles, and often added abrasives water jets can only cut steel as long as the integrity of the column of water is maintained (focusing its mass on a tiny point) which is accomplished by keeping the nozzle very close to the steel.

Please explain how a 767 which spreads its mass and velocity from wingtip to wingtip, is like a water jet.
 
abaddon said:
You think that a full fuel tank and an empty fuel tank have the same density? Really?
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The density of the tank itself, never changes. The fuel may add mass to the wing, but not density to the aluminum. As soon as that tank is punctured, the integrity of the mass of fuel is lost.
 
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Trojan said:
Are we going to hear how the wing shaped holes were created by a swarm of cruise missiles striking at various angels? I always liked that story.

:eye-poppi
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"These are just some of the factors which, when studied in depth, show that the supposed "gravity-driven collapse" is a mere illusion to mask an intentional act so barbaric, so inhumane and morally impoverished that the fabled characteristics of Satan come to mind."
--9/11 researcher "Major Tom
 
yankee451 said:
The density of the tank itself, never changes. The fuel may add mass to the wing, but not density to the aluminum. As soon as that tank is punctured, the integrity of the mass of fuel is lost.
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What caused the puncture?

What happened when it punctured?
 
yankee451 said:
The density of the tank itself, never changes. The fuel may add mass to the wing, but not density to the aluminum. As soon as that tank is punctured, the integrity of the mass of fuel is lost.
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Ha.... A very thin walled balloon of water or fuel inside a plane has weight of 62.4 pounds per cubic foot
a gallon weighs 8.3 pounds

757 has 11,000 gallons of fuel full which is over 90,000 pounds.

How much destruction would approximately 90,000 pounds moving at 500mph do?

Did you ever see a video of a large wave break a boat in half?

You reveal your ignorance.
 
Sherman Bay said:
Please explain how an island in the Pacific, 6 miles across, is different from a 6-mile across island from the sky impacting at 10-20 miles/sec. Why does the Pacific island rock not produce a tsunami and the Chicxulub asteroid rock of the same size causes a world-wide environmental catastrophe and wipes out the dinosaurs?

Next question: Why does a plane sitting on the runway not cut through steel, but a plane at 400MPH does?

Answer to both: Speed. Speed multiplies force, and as the speed goes up, the force is increased exponentially.

Try this sometime. Throw a baseball against a brick wall. The best pitcher can do this at 100MPH. Then throw the same baseball at the wall at 15 miles per second. Think the results will be the same?
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How is a jet like an asteroid?

How is a baseball like a jet?
 
yankee451 said:
The density of the tank itself, never changes. The fuel may add mass to the wing, but not density to the aluminum. As soon as that tank is punctured, the integrity of the mass of fuel is lost.
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The aluminum oxide coating on the wing is almost as hard as diamond the frac5ured particles of aluminum on impact will combust at 2650c in air, a material in motion with a Hardness of 9 on the hardness scale will easily penitrate thin steel.
Also the wing tips most likely folded in some at the joint of the wing with the planes aluminum steel bulkhead.
After all there are pictures that show the wing tips did not penitrate the steel,
Only fractured the Aluminum outer Cladding.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
... After all there are pictures that show the wing tips did not penitrate the steel,


Only fractured the Aluminum outer Cladding.
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Well that's no use to Yankee. His narrative requires the Official Story to claim the plane sliced a perfect cookie cutter plane-shape through the steel. Like a hot knife through butter. If people are going to suggest the hole was ragged and the steel wasn't neatly sliced and some steel didn't break then his whole line of argument is just going to look silly. And then where will we be?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Well that's no use to Yankee. His narrative requires the Official Story to claim the plane sliced a perfect cookie cutter plane-shape through the steel. Like a hot knife through butter. If people are going to suggest the hole was ragged and the steel wasn't neatly sliced and some steel didn't break then his whole line of argument is just going to look silly. And then where will we be?
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Reality?
 
yankee451 said:
Water requires specialized equipment to cut steel. Utilizing very high pressure, jeweled nozzles, and often added abrasives water jets can only cut steel as long as the integrity of the column of water is maintained (focusing its mass on a tiny point) which is accomplished by keeping the nozzle very close to the steel.

Please explain how a 767 which spreads its mass and velocity from wingtip to wingtip, is like a water jet.
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Aluminum oxide and momentum.
 
yankee451 said:
The density of the tank itself, never changes. The fuel may add mass to the wing, but not density to the aluminum. As soon as that tank is punctured, the integrity of the mass of fuel is lost.
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No the fuel will still travel in a forward direction.
 
yankee451 said:
The density of the tank itself, never changes. The fuel may add mass to the wing, but not density to the aluminum. As soon as that tank is punctured, the integrity of the mass of fuel is lost.
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If "integrity" of the mass of fuel is needed to break the steel, please explain how this happened:

 
Horatius said:
If "integrity" of the mass of fuel is needed to break the steel, please explain how this happened:

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The only explanation is that the car was secretly prepped in advance to weaken its structure and hundreds of nano-scale demolition charges were placed at critical points. Did you really imagine water could crush steel, like a hot knife through butter?
 
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