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What an arse

Well, it's been a couple of weeks now, and I haven't seen anything out of the new administration that promises to make life tougher for the jihadis all around the world. So far we have:


  • Taking steps to close Guantanamo.
  • A new attorney general who tells his confirmation committee that waterboarding is torture, thus telling the jihadis that they don't have to fear we'll do it to them any more.
  • Announcement of a new policy that all interrogations of captured terrorists will now follow the Army Field Manual, so the jihadis know what interrogation tactics they should prepare for.
Has anyone seen anything that made them nod and think, "Now that will make life tougher for the jihadis"?

Anyone?

Bueller?

I hope Cheney's wrong. But I haven't seen anything yet from this administration that gives me confidence.
 
It seems just like yesterday when the government couldn't funtion without Dick in the White House weekly, often the White House needed Dick daily.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, it's been a couple of weeks now, and I haven't seen anything out of the new administration that promises to make life tougher for the jihadis all around the world.
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I thought the goal was to keep us safe, not make life tougher for the "jihadis".
 
Upchurch said:
I thought the goal was to keep us safe, not make life tougher for the "jihadis".
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Oh.
****ing.
Wow.
Just fyi--If you want to be SAFE, stockpile a bunch of food and drink, Dig a hole in the back yard, put in a shelter, and seal youself in.
That would be SAFE.
Not productive, or fun...
but safe.
 
Well, it's been a couple of weeks now, and I haven't seen anything out of the new administration that promises to make life tougher for the jihadis all around the world.
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I thought things were pretty tough for 'the Jihadists' already? What's your problem, that you think Obama has lots of great anti-terror strategies up his sleeve but feels that employing them would be too right-wing?

  • Taking steps to close Guantanamo. A prison camp deliberately set up outside of the US mainland so that it didn't need to comply with certain laws and regulations? Shady from day one.
  • A new attorney general who tells his confirmation committee that waterboarding is torture, thus telling the jihadis that they don't have to fear we'll do it to them any more. Tough luck. Torture is dubious as a tool to extract information, it dehumanizes both victim and torturer, it ticks off the rational people around the world, and it sets a very bad example for other States to follow.
  • Announcement of a new policy that all interrogations of captured terrorists will now follow the Army Field Manual, so the jihadis know what interrogation tactics they should prepare for. Is that the best you could come up with?
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You seem to be under the impression that torture, extraordinary rendition, and other unacceptable means of treating other human beings is OK because it can be used as a propaganda tool. I'm unsure as to how to respond, but I will say that as a citizen of a nation that is an ally of the States and has sent all the troops she can send to Afghanistan and Iraq... I feel good about this. I, and many others in my homeland, seem to have high hopes Obama will work to bring Europe and the States closer:).

Has anyone seen anything that made them nod and think, "Now that piss off the world and violate some of those pesky human rights and international laws those damned liberals keep harping about"?
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Nope:).

“Those policies we put in place, in my opinion, were absolutely crucial to getting us through the last seven-plus years without a major-casualty attack on the U.S.,” he told Politico.
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So was invading Iraq, and look at what that got us. Pardon me if I have started to grow tired of the Dubyans harping on about how everything they do wrong is "crucial in making the country safer".
 
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Upchurch said:
And making life tougher for the jihadis all around the world is, what? Productive or fun?

What do you think our goals in the Middle East are?
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Don't worry, the Jihadis are being well treated now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/obama_guantanamo_19

Charges dropped vs. suspect in 2000 USS Cole blast

Groups representing victims' families were angered by Obama's order, charging they had waited too long already to see the alleged attackers brought to court.

"I was certainly disappointed with the decision to delay the military commissions process," Lippold, now a defense adviser to Military Families United, said in an interview Thursday night. "We have already waited eight years. Justice delayed is justice denied. We must allow the military commission process to go forward."
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Don't worry, the Jihadis are being well treated now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090206/..._guantanamo_19
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"Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being." So either charges are renewed or he's found guilty and punished, or he rots in jail. I don't see what your problem is. No one's saying he goes free, we're just saying he should be treated in accordance with the rules and regulations of a Western republic of 2009.

Let's say you find yourself the suspect of a series of rapes or murders. Would you want to be given a fair trial in accordance with US law and international regulations? Would you want to be considered innocent until proven guilty? Then you have to extend those privileges to your fellow man.

Every human being deserves just treatment, even, like it or not, those without US citizenship foreigners.
 
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Upchurch said:
And making life tougher for the jihadis all around the world is, what? Productive or fun?

What do you think our goals in the Middle East are?
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Protecting Israel, Oil, Reconstruction contracts and the general crushing of Islam.

Anything else?
 
What an informative and well thought out post.
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Most moving, rational and thought-provoking post I have yet read here. I ran off and nominated it the moment I had stopped crying.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
"Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said Crawford dismissed the charges against al-Nashiri without prejudice. That means new charges can be brought again later. He will remain in prison for the time being." So either charges are renewed or he's found guilty and punished, or he rots in jail. I don't see what your problem is. No one's saying he goes free, we're just saying he should be treated in accordance with the rules and regulations of a Western republic of 2009.

Let's say you find yourself the suspect of a series of rapes or murders. Would you want to be given a fair trial in accordance with US law and international regulations? Would you want to be considered innocent until proven guilty? Then you have to extend those privileges to your fellow man.

Every human being deserves just treatment, even, like it or not, those without US citizenship foreigners.
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I don't have to extend anything to my fellow man especially inhuman terrorists. The Military courts that Obama has just shut down were the product of congressional legislation and Supreme Court rulings. Obama is overstepping his authority by issuing executive orders that overrule existing law.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, it's been a couple of weeks now, and I haven't seen anything out of the new administration that promises to make life tougher for the jihadis all around the world. So far we have:


  • Taking steps to close Guantanamo.
  • A new attorney general who tells his confirmation committee that waterboarding is torture, thus telling the jihadis that they don't have to fear we'll do it to them any more.
  • Announcement of a new policy that all interrogations of captured terrorists will now follow the Army Field Manual, so the jihadis know what interrogation tactics they should prepare for.
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You say this like its a bad thing.
Thats just crazy talk.

1 The existence of Gitmo probably recruited more jihadists than any promise of raisins or virgins or whatever in the afterlife.

2 The new attorney general tells his confirmation committee that we will stand by our principles. Oh nos!!!!

3 Then he says it again!!!!

Looks like Somebody has decided to treat the condition rather than the symptoms. What a terrible idea.
 
fishbob said:
Looks like Somebody has decided to treat the condition rather than the symptoms. What a terrible idea.
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Hm. You managed to avoid answering the real question I asked in my post:

Has anyone seen anything that made them nod and think, "Now that will make life tougher for the jihadis"?

Over the past couple of weeks, I've asked a variation of that question to Upchurch, Daredelvis, Tricky, and Random. Not one of them was able to point to a single thing the Democrats have done to help win the war against the jihadis. Random, at least, did offer something constructive; he said we won't win that war just by killing jihadis; we have to infect Islam's culture with western values. I agree, but that will take years, even decades, and meanwhile, we have to keep killing the jihadis, or they will keep trying to kill us.

But in all the years since September 11, 2001, I have not heard a single Democrat, anywhere, say, "Here's a better strategy for beating the Islamists." All they offer is ideas for spending money on defensive measures.

And what I'm saying here is that the new administration hasn't shown that it's trying to make life tougher for the Islamists. For the last 7+ years, the Dems have sat on the bench and booed everything the Bush administration did to try to win the war. Now those bench-sitters are in charge of protecting our country and defeating our enemies. Given their track record, I am not sanguine.
 
BPSCG said:
And what I'm saying here is that the new administration hasn't shown that it's trying to make life tougher for the Islamists.
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And what we've been trying to get across to you is that making life tougher for the Islamists is not the goal. It wasn't even Bush's goal.


BPSCG said:
For the last 7+ years, the Dems have sat on the bench and booed everything the Bush administration did to try to win the war.
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That's blatantly not true. The Democrats rolled over for Bush for years.
 
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