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What an arse

BPSCG said:
Has anyone seen anything that made them nod and think, "Now that will make life tougher for the jihadis"?
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Yes. All the measures Obama's taken that I've heard of will make it harder for the jihadis to gain recruits and easier for the US to acquire allies.

Of course, it will disappoint people, such as conservative wingnuts and Osama Bin Laden, who wish to see the US employing the methods of despots and terorists, but hey, you can't please everyone.
 
Dr Adequate said:
Yes. All the measures Obama's taken that I've heard of will make it harder for the jihadis to gain recruits and easier for the US to acquire allies.

Of course, it will disappoint people, such as conservative wingnuts and Osama Bin Laden, who wish to see the US employing the methods of despots and terorists, but hey, you can't please everyone.
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How exactly do fewer jihadi recruits and more allies make things harder on the jihadis? I don't see anything Obama has done that is different than the way things were pre-9/11, and those measures certainly didn't slow down the jihadis any.
 
mortimer said:
How exactly do fewer jihadi recruits and more allies make things harder on the jihadis?
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If you don't understand that, I'm not sure that it can be explained in more basic terms. What aspect of my statement are you finding it difficult to grasp?

I don't see anything Obama has done that is different than the way things were pre-9/11, and those measures certainly didn't slow down the jihadis any.
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I believe you'll find that he is retaining the vast majority of post-9/11 security measures, which are different from "the way things were pre-9/11".
 
fishbob said:
You say this like its a bad thing.
Thats just crazy talk.

1 The existence of Gitmo probably recruited more jihadists than any promise of raisins or virgins or whatever in the afterlife.
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LOL ... Is there any evidence that the existence of Gitmo has recruited even one Jihadist? Maybe it is the Orange Chicken on the menu?

fishbob said:
2 The new attorney general tells his confirmation committee that we will stand by our principles. Oh nos!!!!
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Like with the Marc Rich case?
Prosecutor Mary Jo White was appointed to investigate. She stepped down before the investigation was finished and was replaced by James Comey. Comey was critical of Clinton's pardons and Eric Holder's pardon recommendation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich
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fishbob said:
3 Then he says it again!!!!
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Oh nos!!!!

fishbob said:
Looks like Somebody has decided to treat the condition rather than the symptoms. What a terrible idea.
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Looks like somebody has swallowed the kool-aid placebo.
 
BPSCG said:
Well, it's been a couple of weeks now, and I haven't seen anything out of the new administration that promises to make life tougher for the jihadis all around the world. So far we have:


  • Taking steps to close Guantanamo.
  • A new attorney general who tells his confirmation committee that waterboarding is torture, thus telling the jihadis that they don't have to fear we'll do it to them any more.
  • Announcement of a new policy that all interrogations of captured terrorists will now follow the Army Field Manual, so the jihadis know what interrogation tactics they should prepare for.
Has anyone seen anything that made them nod and think, "Now that will make life tougher for the jihadis"?

Anyone?

Bueller?

I hope Cheney's wrong. But I haven't seen anything yet from this administration that gives me confidence.
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Yes, all these things make life tougher for them because the less evil we are the less support they will receive.

You don't honestly think that the threat of waterboarding scares them away do you?
 
Dr Adequate said:
Yes. All the measures Obama's taken that I've heard of will make it harder for the jihadis to gain recruits and easier for the US to acquire allies.
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This is essentially the same as fishbob's claim above that "[t]he existence of Gitmo probably recruited more jihadists than any promise of raisins or virgins or whatever in the afterlife," and Smackety's that "...all these things make life tougher for them because the less evil we are the less support they will receive."

The three of you understand, of course, your individual versions of this claim are unfalsifiable, and can therefore be dismissed without comment. Do you have anything else?
 
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BPSCG said:
This is essentially the same as fishbob's claim above that "[t]he existence of Gitmo probably recruited more jihadists than any promise of raisins or virgins or whatever in the afterlife," and Smackety's that "...all these things make life tougher for them because the less evil we are the less support they will receive."

The three of you understand, of course, your individual versions of this claim are unfalsifiable, and can therefore be dismissed without comment. Do you have anything else?
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If you are denying that hate is a powerful motivator, as you appear to be, you are going to have to bring something to the table. This is common knowledge.
 
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Texas said:
I don't have to extend anything to my fellow man especially inhuman terrorists.
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What's the difference between an inhuman and a human terrorist?

In what way do "Jihadis" pose any serious threat to the USA?
 
Dr Adequate said:
If you don't understand that, I'm not sure that it can be explained in more basic terms. What aspect of my statement are you finding it difficult to grasp?
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You haven't explained why the jihadis need a larger number of recruits to carry out their plans. It only took 19 of them to execute 9/11.

You haven't explained how more US allies make things harder on the jihadis. This part may or may not be true, but you have not provided a bit of evidence to support it.
 
Texas said:
I don't have to extend anything to my fellow man especially inhuman terrorists.
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So why don't you think that the terrorists should be charged in a manner that is consistent with western values?

Texas said:
The Military courts that Obama has just shut down were the product of congressional legislation and Supreme Court rulings. Obama is overstepping his authority by issuing executive orders that overrule existing law.
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It sounds so simple. Even though throughout this whole farce the legislation was passed by a Congress friendly to President Bush, and through a suit by people that happened to represent the terrorists, was almost struck down by the Supreme Court instead it was sent back to Congress for them to fix only for the whole process to repeat itself again and again and again.

By the way how is Obama overstepping his authority?
 
JihadJane said:
What's the difference between an inhuman and a human terrorist?

In what way do "Jihadis" pose any serious threat to the USA?
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They scare some of us so badly that we are willing to give up any and all freedoms in order to feel safe, eventually destroying ourselves and everything that we believe in. This is the reason and meaning behind terrorism, and it is working. It is sad that there are those who are so afraid that they dehumanize our enemies to avoid considering their point of view. It is truly disgusting however, that there are those who prey on that fear and attempt to turn it into confusion and doubt.

There is no doubt that the terrorists are on the wrong side and will be defeated. However we must not lose ourselves in the process. Becoming like them is exactly what they intend, for once we have lost our morality, we lose sight of the real goal of our civilization, which is not individual security.

You know you are not helping, JJ, by attempting to plant your lies and deceit amongst the fearful and confused. By denying the crimes of our enemies and focusing solely on ours, you also become a tool of the enemy, as surely as those who refuse to see our own failings, you are trying to guide people down a path that leads only to tyranny and death. You also need to find a balance, admitting our failures, while recognizing our enemies crimes as well. We are no better than they, but we can be if we try, I know you know this.
 
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mortimer said:
You haven't explained why the jihadis need a larger number of recruits to carry out their plans. It only took 19 of them to execute 9/11.
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Fortunately, suicide bombers are not recyclable. The fewer of them there are, the fewer suicide attacks they can mount.

You haven't explained how more US allies make things harder on the jihadis. This part may or may not be true, but you have not provided a bit of evidence to support it.
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Golly, did I provide no evidence for a self-evident proposition?
 
BPSCG said:
This is essentially the same as fishbob's claim above that "[t]he existence of Gitmo probably recruited more jihadists than any promise of raisins or virgins or whatever in the afterlife," and Smackety's that "...all these things make life tougher for them because the less evil we are the less support they will receive."

The three of you understand, of course, your individual versions of this claim are unfalsifiable, and can therefore be dismissed without comment. Do you have anything else?
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If you are prepared to deny reality to this extent, I hardly see what I could say that would sway you.
 
Smackety said:
There is no doubt that the terrorists are on the wrong side and will be defeated. However we must not lose ourselves in the process. Becoming like them is exactly what they intend, for once we have lost our morality, we lose sight of the real goal of our civilization, which is not individual security.
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Many people in the world consider epic US/UK violence to be immoral terrorism. What else is "Shock and Awe", for example?

Who decides which are the bad terrorists? The good terrorists?

You know you are not helping, JJ, by attempting to plant your lies and deceit amongst the fearful and confused. By denying the crimes of our enemies and focusing solely on ours, you also become a tool of the enemy, as surely as those who refuse to see our own failings, you are trying to guide people down a path that leads only to tyranny and death. You also need to find a balance, admitting our failures, while recognizing our enemies crimes as well. We are no better than they, but we can be if we try, I know you know this.
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The success of the"Jihadis'" few attacks on the Homeland have been put down to incompetence, bad communication and lack of imagination. That's all been cleared up now so what is there to be afraid of?

The "Jihadis" are a much-needed enemy of convenience, providing cover for violent, imperial adventures, Arse Dick Cheney's main mission.
 
mortimer said:
You haven't explained why the jihadis need a larger number of recruits to carry out their plans. It only took 19 of them to execute 9/11.
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It's not entirely fair to devalue the number to 19. It took -at the very least- a number closer to 30.

That said, your point still stands. It took only a very small number of people to pull off such a catastrophic attack.

However, the muscle hijackers, who were all but one Saudis, grew up in a society (Saudi Arabia) in which hatred of America and Jews is in abundance. With the symbolic closure of Guantanamo Bay, it will be easier to distinguish between a country that -even in times of distress- follows the rule of law and champions human rights, and one that reverts to medieval instincts (Such as not allowing women to drive).

When the world is confronted with the thought of what would happen if the former were to be destroyed, they come to realise what would be lost to the progressive, civilised world.
 
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BPSCG said:
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Random, at least, did offer something constructive; he said we won't win that war just by killing jihadis; we have to infect Islam's culture with western values. I agree, but that will take years, even decades, and meanwhile, we have to keep killing the jihadis, or they will keep trying to kill us.
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So killing them for decades will give way to acceptance of our cultural values?

One of our values in that scenario would apparently be killing people. If that's true then you'd be right--it might seem like they had adopted one of our values.
 
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