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What about this crop circle?

Limbo said:
For this I will draw from a recent study by Rod Bearcloud Berry in Arizona who took the trouble to ask two engineering firms how long they would take just to plot a survey on the ground for the design of 1997's awesome 264 ft Star of Solomon fractal
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Because the the circle makers were not using the techniques that professional engineering firms use, quoting statistics from engineering firms is beyond meaningless - it is misleading.
 
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Limbo said:
My point is time. I want to know how many minutes are alloted for the completion of each circle by someone like Stray Cat and I want to know how many of those minutes are put aside for making hand-made intricacies such as that 'nest'. I want to know how long it takes Stray Cat to do something like that by hand, and also how long it takes him to plot a survey on the ground for a design. I want to know how much longer these things take in bad weather. I want straight answers.

QUESTIONS REGARDING LOGISTICS.

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Have the authors of this ever made a cropcircle?

If not, they talk with a great deal of authority about making crop circles, and you have a right to know why this is not mere speculation by bleevers.
 
Meh, I'm not getting anything useful from this thread. None of you have answers except maybe Stray Cat but he won't talk.

Stray Cat, if you decide to be less tight-lipped send me a PM. Until then, ta-ta.
 
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Limbo said:
Meh, I'm not getting bringing anything useful from to this thread.
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This would be more accurate.

Limbo, why not give a "straight answer" to the simple and direct questions that have been put to you?

How do you think crop circles are made?

Why do you think humans couldn't make them (without paranormal activity or ET intervention)?

What is your evidence?

Note well: asking questions about Stray Cat's credentials or about how long it would take a human to do something is not an answer to any of these simple and direct questions.
 
Ladewig said:
Because the the circle makers were not using the techniques that professional engineering firms use, quoting statistics from engineering firms is beyond meaningless - it is misleading.
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How Low Can He Go? Appeal to False Authority, for one.

Like when someone else cited paperback books on alleged paranormal events that were written by economists, geologists and a child psychologist (who did little more than clip articles from news sources, compile them, and then provide commentary that was no more than speculative journalism).

Where are the space aliens, and why are there no direct and valid records of their activities? If he is going to claim that space aliens made the crop circles, then he should provide valid evidence of the existence of those same space aliens.
 
Limbo said:
Meh, I'm not getting anything useful from this thread. None of you have answers except maybe Stray Cat but he won't talk.

Stray Cat, if you decide to be less tight-lipped send me a PM. Until then, ta-ta.
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So you're leaving?

:yahoo
 
I guess what he's saying is that all humanity suffers from a short attention span, and if the crop circle takes longer than ten minutes it couldn't

Oh look, a penny!
 
Everyone: Ooh look, circles made in corn. Perfectly possible for humas to do and stupid to think extraterrestrials would do
Crop circle creators: Yeah we know, we do them
Everyone: Cool, how do you do them?
Crop circle creators: Like this (they demonstrate creating crop circles)
Everyone: Cool so we know humans have created them and we have demonstrated conclusively how they do them. End of mystery
Limbo: Oh yeah? Well I bet this one couldn't have been done by humans
Everyone: Uh yeah okay...
Limbo: Well prove it was!
Everyone: Why on earth would we?
Linbo: I want to believe! I want to believe! I want to believe!
 
Why don't aliens ever land in old minefields, or quicksand, or swamps, or rocky outcroppings? Why are they ALWAYS landing in nearly-ready corn or wheat fields?

Why not just a plain old grassy field?

If I was an alien, and wanted to communicate, rather than create some kooky artwork in a farm field, I'd plop down in Times Square, or in an intersection with traffic cameras, or at an obvious point of exposure. Why land in BF-Nowhere, create a design, with the risk of no-one ever finding it?
 
Limbo said:
You talk with a great deal of authority about making crop circles, and I have a right to know why. If you won't answer straight questions then I'm done with you.
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Sorry Limbo, but you don't have a right to know why at all.
I can give detailed explanations as to the human aspect of crop circle making, methods, factual history etc, but I can not and will not discuss my own personal involvement in what is an illegal activity. Simple really.

Now, it would perhaps be more useful on a sceptics forum, for you to outline your hypothesis so we can see how it can be falsified.
 
Drewbot said:
Why don't aliens ever land in old minefields, or quicksand, or swamps, or rocky outcroppings? Why are they ALWAYS landing in nearly-ready corn or wheat fields?

Why not just a plain old grassy field?

If I was an alien, and wanted to communicate, rather than create some kooky artwork in a farm field, I'd plop down in Times Square, or in an intersection with traffic cameras, or at an obvious point of exposure. Why land in BF-Nowhere, create a design, with the risk of no-one ever finding it?
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Ona cause they navigate from way out there in outer space using the "sign of the giant chicken" etc as guides.
How swift could the ETs be, if that is their method of interstellar navigation?
 
philkensebben said:
Crop circles? Seriously? People still believe this stuff? :boggled:
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Yeah, hard to believe isn't it.

In the long list of strange beliefs I find it hard to file anything below Crop Circles in the 'How do grown people actually even slightly believe this crap' stakes.
 
Limbo said:
My point is time. I want to know how many minutes are alloted for the completion of each circle by someone like Stray Cat and I want to know how many of those minutes are put aside for making hand-made intricacies such as that 'nest'. I want to know how long it takes Stray Cat to do something like that by hand, and also how long it takes him to plot a survey on the ground for a design. I want to know how much longer these things take in bad weather. I want straight answers.
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Why does each individual component matter at all. The fact is the complete formation is usually constructed during the course of one night.

Limbo said:
QUESTIONS REGARDING LOGISTICS.

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There is only a very small number of nights in the UK summertime when there are only 4 hours of darkness. But as each individual design and each individual team of circlemakers differs from night to night, there really is no measuring stick to say if one took x amount of time, another is going to take y amount of time. Commissioned circled (adverts and demonstrations for TV etc.) do usually take longer simply because the film crews ask you to stop so they can set up camera angles etc and commissioned designs for adverts are set to strict pre-agreed design. something which is not the case in an anonymously made circle, where a slight mistake can lead to the design being altered 'on the fly' and as no croppie knows what the design was supposed to look like, it's no problem. However, with a company logo or such, the design has to be what is on the plan agreed by the client or the circlemakers don't get paid.

If you wanted to test yourself the viability of the timing aspect, I suggest you get a friend (presupposing you have one) and a surveyors tape measure. Find an open space (playing field or car park) and have one person tood holding one end of the tape whilst the other holds the other end. Reel out 20 foot and then using one person as the center, the other walk round in a circle. How long does that take? about 40 seconds for a 40 foot circle to be plotted. With average walking speed at 3mph we'll estimate walking speed in crop to be a bit slower at 2mph. A 40 foot circle would have a circumference of roughly 120 foot, which is
2mph = 2.93 foot per second = 40.95 seconds

An average stomping board is 4 foot wide. That's ten widths of a board to flatten it. If you have two people plotting and three people stomping, that circle can be produced in:
Plotting = 40.95 seconds
Stomping = First 12 foot sweep (3 board widths) = 40 seconds
Second 8 foot sweep (2 boards widths) = 20 seconds
Full 40 foot circle plotted and flattened in = 1 minute and 40.95 seconds.

Get a team of 6 people in a field and it's not amazing how much can be achieved in one night.
 
Ladewig said:
Is there a reason why the survey plotting could not be done over four consecutive nights?
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There is no need for this reasoning, the work was done in one night.
And not using laser theodolites and other surveying engineering apparatus or methods.
 
Straycat, that's really interesting. I never before heard of anyone who was personally acquainted with crop circlers. Do you mind if I ask how you got to know these people?

By the way, please tell them I'm a fan of their work!
 
I used to be a UFO bleever, but I found the physical evidence somewhat lacking. I got into crop circle research about 8 years ago because it seemed to be more promising. Looking into it though, it soon became apparent it was full of the same BS as UFOlogy. It's not a great step from there to decide that the only way to falsify what the 'experts' were claiming was to make a circle and study the reaction to it. Apparently, I am non human and have powers to do things to crop that humans couldn't possibly do. I can become invisible and hover above the crop without leaving footprints and produce microwave plasma energy balls which alter the biological state of the plants ;)

Maybe I should put in for the MDC - only thing being that I don't believe any of the claims made on my behalf by the 'experts'
 
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