Do you honestly believe that the 23rd floor was so highly engineered that such a catastrophic event would go unnoticed?
No, I believe that it would be much less noticible on the 23rd floor where WTC2 collapse would not have broken windows and would not get direct debris impact, than on the 8th floor which would experience both and suffer effects more closely like those Catalano experienced at this time.
Do you believe that the 8th floor was so well engineered that Jennings would have to infer, this collapse from the action of firefighters outside, and even this ONLY in hindsight?
Unlike yourself, I believe I am being reasonable.
It seems reasonable that Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess would have felt some of the effects of an event such as this:
And yet they don't mention it even when they were on a floor only 5 levels, as opposed to 20, above Catalano?
Not even after having broken out a window and called to firefighters?
All we know about what Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess said they experienced on the 23rd floor of 7 WTC when 2 WTC collapsed, is from their testimony, and the final NIST report.
The later of which makes a lot more sense than them being at the window on the eighth floor before either collapse.
After years of sifting through the available evidence and eye witness accounts, this is what the NIST claimed Mr, Jennings and Mr. Hess experienced on the 23rd floor;
A reasonable person would have to ask them self, "does this make sense or is the NIST attempting to drive a "square peg into a round hole"?
Its a much closer fit to available evidence, other witness accounts and known event timelines, than your attempt to smash a square peg through a solid plank. What you are doing is more akin to driving nails into the lid of a long wooden box containing 9/11 truth memes concerning WTC7.
If Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess were on the 23rd floor when 2 WTC collapsed, as the NIST claims, they should have observed more than just a brief light flicker!
According to you all they experienced of the collapse of WTC2 was that firefighters left the area then returned! No emmense dust cloud outside, no new, let alone choking, influx of dust on the eighth floor, no shaking building, NADA!
It was an "omygod" moment.
For you? Please explain why you envision even less than that being noticed as they await reduce at the NE window. You may have to invoke an omnipotent being to do so.
And when the NIST claimed that these two men took 30 minutes to hurry down to the 6th floor stairwell landing, credulity was strained to the ridiculous.
If in fact they began descent immediately after WTC2 collapse, if these two middle aged men, one of whom complained of a bad leg after the fact and passed away only a few years later were as fast as you assume they were.
Clearly Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess did not experience 2 WTC's collapse while they were on the 23rd floor.
According to you they never experienced the collapse of WTC2 at all other than to observe firefighters backing off and returning later, and even this ONLY realised in hindsight!. That stretches credulity to the ridiculous.
And it makes no sense, given their location several minutes later at the 6th floor stairwell landing, that the explosion blocking their way was caused by collapse of the distant 2 WTC.
You got something right. It makes great sense that this incident was caused by the collapse of WTC1.
What does make sense, and fits with what they said they experienced, is that when they arrived at the 8th floor, several minutes after leaving the 23rd floor, Mr. Jennings looked, and saw, that the WTC twin towers were both still standing
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No, it clearly doesn't.
The WTC twin towers had to have collapsed sometime after that observation and clearly not before as the NIST lamely tries to claim.
You blithely assume that Jennings and Hess never noticed the collapses, even that of WTC1 which tore large chunks out of the building because they were busy watching unexplainable vehicle fires and the actions of firefighters. That should be included in the dictionary as an example of the colloquial usage of the word "lame".
There are a couple of good reasons.
Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess repeatedly point out in their testimonies that in spite of what they describe experiencing, they never saw the collapses of the WTC twin towers.
As you well know, on 9/11, until it actually happened, it was not a common expectation that either of the twin towers would collapse.
Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess were only aware that a Cessna had supposedly crashed into 1 WTC. They had even less reason to suspect the worst.
Understandably, they both said they had no idea what was going on. When told to evacuate immediately, they were not given a reason or any update on what had been happening outside of 7 WTC.
Unlike Mike Catalano and his co-workers, Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess did not have enough information at the time to form an accurate picture that fit their experience.
But, they did observe the behaviour of the firefighters from the 8th floor NE corner window. At that time, I'm sure that they were confused as to why the firefighters behaved the way they did.
When thunder rolls from a close lightning strike my house sometimes shakes. I connect the two. When WTC1 tore large chunks out of WTC7, broke almost every window on the south face of WTC7, smacked a chunk out of the rooftop facade even, I would fully expect persons on the eighth floor to be thrown to the floor and choked with dust and connect THAT with seeing firefighters running for their lives. There should have been no confusion whatsoever as to what caused this. Even if by some miracle of the god you called upon in reading the NIST report, none of the windows on the eighth floor broke and no massive influx of dust affected them at the window, they still should have seen the firefighters running for their lives followed by a dust cloud so thick it caused a faux night darkness.
Later, when Mr. Jennings got home and was able to watch the TV News, he naturally tried to synchronize his observations with the newly revealed knowledge that both the WTC twin towers had been attacked by large commercial aircraft and that both had totally collapsed.
Yes and his account literally makes no sense.
Since Mr. Jennings had no useful reference other than when he arrived at 7 WTC, he did not realize that when he broke out the windows and saw the limited destruction on Barclay Street that what he saw was the aftermath.
The aftermath of what? He watched firefighters move away twice after he broke the window?
All he knew is that he experienced an exit destroying explosion at the 6th floor landing, and that he had been hearing repeated explosions ever since
For which a very good explanation is that this was the collapse of WTC1. The continuing "explosions" being, among other things, pieces falling off of WTC7and WTC6, and burning vehicle tires and fuel tanks.
Since the WTC twin towers were still standing when he arrived at the 8th floor, he knew that at sometime from that point to before he was rescued, they must have collapsed.
You cannot even demonstrate it was even possible for them to see the towers from the north side of the eighth floor. You admoit that Jennings was wrong about when he entered WTC7 and yet he must be correct in having seen the towers burning after he got to the eighth floor. You admit that his recollection of what happened is confused and not great but cannot envision that perhaps he saw the burning towers at some other point in time, such as from the lobby on their second arrival there?
All of those things..but with a major caveat.
Mike Catalano knew what was happening and was therefore able to understand the cause and effect
Yeah he knew what caused the near complete darkness and choking dust, two things that Jennings and Hess only experienced in the stairwell at the sixth floor.
All that Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess knew was that supposedly a small private plane had crashed into 1 WTC.
,,, and according to you never experienced any effect at all on WTC7 from the collapse of either tower.
They had to have experienced a good deal of what Mike Catalano experienced only they would have had no idea why or what in hell was going on to cause it
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There would be no noticing the darkness caused by the dust cloud which would be less on the 23rd level than at the 3rd anyway, nor would we expect a large influx of dust on the 23rd floor, nor would we expect breaking windows that high up. Those are effects that Catalano experienced that J&H would not. You are left with shaking. Yet this is the more distant collapse and caused no structural damage. The much closer WTC1 collapse did cause great structural damage and yet according to you, although J&H were at the NE window they experienced nothing like what Catalano experienced five floors below, from either collapse.
You cannot and will not explain why you insist that Jennings must have experienced the building shaking in the manner that Catalano describes as a result of WTC2 collapse if they were on the 23rd floor, and yet dismiss that they did not experience it on the 8th. You say this is because they did not know that the tower was collapsing but insist that while that same condition would have applied if they were on the 23rd floor they would mention it. That's cognitive dissonance at its most glaring.
Mr. Jennings and Mr. Hess knew they had heard repeated explosions, smoke, heat, and darkness but they had no knowledge at that time that would allow them to connect the dots.[/color]
At only ONE point in their time in WTC7 did they experience the building shaking and a choking dust/smoke condition and darkness. Just that one time.
Jennings saw vehicles on fire when he broke the window, he saw firefighters leave and come back , he makes no mention of choking dust on the eighth floor, he makes no mention of enveloping darkness on the eighth floor, he makes no mention of one iconic image of the day, the massive dust clouds that occurred supposedly at the time the firefighters left the area.
