Whacko Republican gets owned by Markos

And then, when Kos started talking about how effectively the government runs the VA health care, the little chicken hawk starts blathering about how all the veterans' groups he met with were always telling him how much they hated the VA health care system and how much they wanted vouchers for private health care and.....
Yes, but let's remove your loaded language and see what Tancredo said. As you noted he was making a statement based on the veterans groups he talked to. Tancredo, as you note, is way, way out there on the right. So who do you think he is going to be talking to? Right-wing to extreme right wing military people who may very well think vouchers are better.

In short, he is picking his audience to get the feedback that already agrees with his views. Ho-hum.

So, lefty, it is bad form to accuse him of lying. You don't know that. What you (and Kos) do know is that good polling makes it clear that Tancredo is cherry-picking. And Kos' best rejoinder would have been to point to the polls and demonstrate that Tancredo is wrong....or pulling stuff out of his shorts, to use your terminology.

As I indicated, I despise the guy much as you do. But don't elevate him by getting down in his gutter.
 
After carefully studying this situation, and comparing it to other, similar situations, I have come to the conclusion that Kos is a heinous criminal who has earned the death penalty for his actions, and that Tancredo is in the process of mounting an elaborate and masterful sting operation against him.
 
I just get so tired of the lunatics running the assylum. Tancredo and his sort are not up to handling a nation in crisis. They lack wisdom and courage and judgement, and, in too many cases, the moral fiber. There is no reason for a real man like Markos to sit there and let a snot like Tancredo lie to his face.

Tancredo isn't in congress anymore. He isn't running anything. Besides which, the Dems have majorities in both houses.

he appears to have chemically castrated himself by his drug abuse.

Is that even possible? It just makes it sound like you hate him because you think he is overweight, deaf and a eunuch. Which makes you sound like a bigot.

After carefully studying this situation, and comparing it to other, similar situations, I have come to the conclusion that Kos is a heinous criminal who has earned the death penalty for his actions, and that Tancredo is in the process of mounting an elaborate and masterful sting operation against him.

Ah, you are obviously onto something here.
 
Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting.

Right, because using his current opinions to suggest he's still mentally ill are quite worthwhile.
 
Tancredo isn't in congress anymore. He isn't running anything. Besides which, the Dems have majorities in both houses.
He's still influential in the militia and "patriot" movements, thus still a threat to democracy.

It just makes it sound like you hate him because you think he is overweight, deaf and a eunuch.

The pig man blew his own ears out with drugs, even as he bad-mouthed Jerry Garcia's death by over-dose. Drug addiction will make your junk shrivel, too.

Which makes you sound like a bigot.

So I am biased against rich people who wish, deliberately, to turn the country into an oligarchy, who try to disrupt the democratic process, who lie and exaggerate to stir up the shrieking monkeys to vote against their own best interest, who have never shown a shred of human decency...

Malesh.
 
Anybody who can show the country one more reason that the ranting looney from Colorado does not have all his headbolts torqued right, or that he lies a lot, has done Colorado a favor.

Far better for the country that the fool be sent home with his tail between his legs.
 
Big difference here is, of course, that between the two of them, only Kos has any real-world expertise on the subject.

Kos is one man who has experience with VAs. Tancredo claims to work with several veterans groups that use VAs.

So, unless Kos' MOS was "mind melding with every veteran", I don't see how he has experience to rate the entire VA system.

Where do you get "accidently? The man has real-world experience. Snivelling Tom does not.

He demonstrated no actual knowledge of what the surveys found. Hew was right simply because he assumed everyone in question shared his opinion and experience.



If you want to tell a man that what he takes for common sense is not actually sensible, you need to support it. Burden is on the moron from colorado.

Actually, it is on both men. They both made affirmative statements as if they were facts.

Has nothing to do with Democrat or Republican.

ya, right

It has to do with being a real man or a sick little wussy boy, a veteran or a reject, a liar or an honest man.

Little wussy Tommy loses.

So, only people you qualify as real men can make statements based on hard data?

I have only ONCE in my life heard an actual veteran say that vouchers were a good idea, and that one was dumb enough to think that Sarah Palin was up to being Vice President.

So, once again, a person who disagrees with you has a defect.
 
I'm not familiar with this issue, and I frankly don't care, but the more you rant and slander the guy, Lefty, the more he becomes sympathetic to me.

Just sayin'.
 
Kos is one man who has experience with VAs. Tancredo claims to work with several veterans groups that use VAs.

And he lies a lot. If he is in contact with any kind of veterans' group, it must be one of the "astroturf" types made up by some right-wing scam artist to generatre false information. Think of the lobbyist groups that sent out letters purporting to be from AARP and various charities which were NOT the opinions of the groups identified on the letterhead.

Any "veterans'" group that supports vouchers is probably as real as the American Black Chamber of Commerce, the work of one wingnut and his wife.

So, unless Kos' MOS was "mind melding with every veteran", I don't see how he has experience to rate the entire VA system.

Those of us who have served tend to be a lot more aware of the system, and of the opinions of fellow veterans than have wussy boys like Tancredo. We get the mass mailings, we encounter other veterans in the hospital wiating rooms and share anecdotes and complaints. Most of the complaints I have heard in the hours and hours that I have spent there have been about how few staffers there are at any facility since the Shrub started screwing up the budget.

NO LEGITIMATE veterans' group that I know of has EVER recommended vouchers. If that lying sack of crap from Colorado wants to be believed, he had better post a list somewhere of what veterans' groups have fed him that crap, because I cannot believe that they exist. I, as a disabled veteran would by now have recieved something in the mail, read about it in the Army Times, or heard a nieghbor talking about it. (Did I mention that I live in a community that is about 30-40% military connected?)

The only veteran I have ever heard suggest such an idea was a Republican with PTSD and serious anger control issues and HORRIBLE judgement concerning other people's comptency to hold public office.

As far as any veteran can see, Tancredo pulled it out of his undies.

He demonstrated no actual knowledge of what the surveys found. Hew was right simply because he assumed everyone in question shared his opinion and experience.

He was right because, in his own life, he has used the system, knows people who have used the system and, in his professional life, reads and hears a lot of communications with other men and women who have used the system and knows what opinions they are expressing publicly.

Actually, it is on both men. They both made affirmative statements as if they were facts.

And Tancredo is known to have mental issues. Tancredo is known to have a political aggenda that is sometimes in conflict with the stated positions of nearly all legitimate veterans' group in the country. He started on shaky ground. The whackadoodle made a statement that is in conflkict with the accepted wisdom and statisctical surveys. He opened his mouth and made himself look like a drooling idiot and now he needs to back it up or shut up.

He is lying and we all know it.

So, only people you qualify as real men can make statements based on hard data?

Nobody has any reerason to believe that the whacko from Colorado has any hard data to support his garbage. The way he acted toward Kos is false bravado, a failing as a man.

So, once again, a person who disagrees with you has a defect.

Those who try to create a false reality to suit their poitical ends, at the expoense of people to whom he owes something has a moral defect. He has no military experience because of a supposed mental defect. So in Tancredo's case, his disagreement with me and with Kos is the result of a defect or several.

Same goes for the fat pill-popping deaf eunuch.
 
Ladewig said:
Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?
LeftySergeant said:
Not if you do it right.
I still cannot figure out your point here.
 
I still cannot figure out your point here.

Being a good public servant requires imagination and organizational skills and an ability to empathize with the people one serves. It takes courage and self-discipline.

Military service is a good preparation for running for public office. This is one of the reasons I expect to see Democratic gains in Congress in the near term. Lots of veterans are coming back and running as Dems.
 
You certainly show no empathy for the overwheight, the deaf, the drug addicts, the mentally ill, the castrated and the homosexuals.

Such a "liberal".
 
You certainly show no empathy for the overwheight, the deaf, the drug addicts, the mentally ill, the castrated and the homosexuals.

Such a "liberal".
One must wonder what kind of names Michael Steele, Alan Keyes, Mary Cheney, etc are called around the lefty household.
 
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You certainly show no empathy for the overwheight,

Rush is fat because he is lazy and self-indulgent. Why am I supposed to have empathy for that?

the deaf,

It's a self-inflicted disability.

the drug addicts,

Rush had no empathy when Jerry Garcia, a far more worthwhile person, died of an O.D., so why should I feel sorry for the pig man?

the mentally ill,

They should be hospitalized and treated, not buillt up as pundits or elected to public office. I have no problem with a schizo who takes his meds and shows some respect and empathy for his fellow man. Tancredo is quite another sort of whacko.
the castrated

Again, self-nflicted. (This is assuming that Rush was really that much of a man before he drugged himself into impotency. I have reasons to doubt that he was ever much of a role model for the American man.)

and the homosexuals.

Where did THAT come from?
 
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So let me get this straight: If I ask one veteran--Markos Moulitsas--about his opinions as a veteran, and Tom Tancredo asks scores of veterans about their opinions as veterans, and then Tom and I compare notes, it's reasonable to assume that I will have a better idea of what veterans' opinions actually are than Tom will?

Is that lefty's argument?
 
So let me get this straight: If I ask one veteran--Markos Moulitsas--about his opinions as a veteran, and Tom Tancredo asks scores of veterans about their opinions as veterans, and then Tom and I compare notes, it's reasonable to assume that I will have a better idea of what veterans' opinions actually are than Tom will?

Is that lefty's argument?

Precisely.
 
So let me get this straight: If I ask one veteran--Markos Moulitsas--about his opinions as a veteran, and Tom Tancredo asks scores of veterans about their opinions as veterans, and then Tom and I compare notes, it's reasonable to assume that I will have a better idea of what veterans' opinions actually are than Tom will?

Is that lefty's argument?
If it is it isn't that bad in relation to Tancredo's track record.

Fordama
 

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