Whacko Republican gets owned by Markos

[leftysergeant]

Kos took a cheap shot. I have no idea why you would support that.

Maybe it's because I am tired of creeps like Tancredo who try to maintain the myth that the GOP has the better ideas on national defense. Maybe it's just because I feel that Tancredo needs his ego deflated. His delusions of adequacy make him dangerous.

Want to make Tancredo looks stupid? Bring out the facts.

Which is exactly what Kos did. He pointed out that Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear.

Kos does not speak for all veterans. We're not just going to take his word for it.

Kos speaks for at least 90% more veterans than a non-veteran wussy boy like Tancredo.

Tancredo said a lot of stupid things, but Kos didn't look much better.

Just being mentally well makes Kos look better than Tancredo.

I think the reason certain people here are loving him is because he says mean things about Republicans.

I'm just loving it that someone is not intimidated and afraid to offend a lunatic whom too many people take seriously as a political pundit.

 

[Ladewig]

Tancredo was a pro-war activist in college, but managed to get a 1-Y deferment on the basis of depression. (And he still managed to survive running for public office? Hmmm.......)

I am left leaning, and I consider it to be uncalled for and inappropriate. If a person received a deferment because he had cancer, is that person unqualified to talk about veterans' issues? Depression is an illness. People suffering from this illness already receive enough stigma with folks like Markos adding to it.

As for your "Hmmm" comment. Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?

 

[leftysergeant]

I am left leaning, and I consider it to be uncalled for and inappropriate. If a person received a deferment because he had cancer, is that person unqualified to talk about veterans' issues?

Nobody is qualified to lie. What Tancredo said was not mistaken. It was patently false, total bull flops - and the nutbar knew it, or at least should have known it.

Depression is an illness. People suffering from this illness already receive enough stigma with folks like Markos adding to it.

Situational dysthemia is sometimes misdiagnosed as depression. In the relevant time frame, it was also quite common among cowards, especially those who had been banging away at the war drum until they realized "Ooops! They want me to go now. WTF?" I think I would be greatly unhappy myself in that situation.

Did you know that Winston Churchill was bipolar?

Hell of a soldier, too.

Yellow-bellied Tommy gets no pass from me.

As for your "Hmmm" comment. Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?

Not if you do it right.

 

[Donal]

Maybe it's because I am tired of creeps like Tancredo who try to maintain the myth that the GOP has the better ideas on national defense. Maybe it's just because I feel that Tancredo needs his ego deflated. His delusions of adequacy make him dangerous.

So, you want creeps that have a D after their name.

Which is exactly what Kos did. He pointed out that Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear.

And did the same thing when he presumed he spoke for anyone but himself.

Kos speaks for at least 90% more veterans than a non-veteran wussy boy like Tancredo.

Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office. If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic.

Just being mentally well makes Kos look better than Tancredo.

I've read some of Kos' more interesting rants. That is a big assumption you are making.

I'm just loving it that someone is not intimidated and afraid to offend a lunatic whom too many people take seriously as a political pundit.

What are you talking about? You think he is the only person on TV that insults the other guy?

 

[Ladewig]

Nobody is qualified to lie. What Tancredo said was not mistaken. It was patently false, total bull flops - and the nutbar knew it, or at least should have known it.

I'm not communicating my idea well. I think it is very appropriate and necessary to challenge people on their positions. I think it is very inappropriate to challenge people on their medical history. That is irrelevant in deciding whether a political position is valid or not. Furthermore, it is also inappropriate to label someone a nutbar for holding a divergent or unsupported viewpoint.

Situational dysthemia is sometimes misdiagnosed as depression. In the relevant time frame, it was also quite common among cowards, especially those who had been banging away at the war drum until they realized "Ooops! They want me to go now. WTF?" I think I would be greatly unhappy myself in that situation.

Speculating on the validity of Tancredo medical diagnosis without evidence is wildly inappropriate.

Did you know that Winston Churchill was bipolar?

Yes, and he was a great man who accomplished great things in spite of his medical illness. Not everyone who suffers from this type of illness is capable of doing even a fraction of what Churchill accomplished.

Not if you do it right.

I do not understand this comment.

 

[leftysergeant]

So, you want creeps that have a D after their name.

GOP kind of owns creepy, from what I have seen. Between Bachmann, Newt, Tacredo, Craig, Sanford, Vitter, Rummy and Cheney, where do you find a rational thought?

And did the same thing when he presumed he spoke for anyone but himself.

Few of the veterans I know, myself included, would want the current VA to go away or have to schlep from doctor-to-doctor to find one that will provide the same quality of care that the VA could if a bunch of anal-retentive wussy boys would vote to fund the system at an appropriate level.

The only people I have heard wwho really think that the treatment vouchers are a good idea are either not veterans or, if they are veterans, are utterly guanophrenic Koolaid-with-a=dash-of-Sarin-drinking Libertarians.

I have about $50000 worth of titanium artificial shoulder joint paid for by the VA, installed by the VA, in conjunction with the University of Washington. The orthopods at VA seemed to be LOOKING for a chance to do the procedure on a younger-than-typical man. Try getting THAT from an HMO.

Like I say, Tancredo pulled one out of his underwear and a man (a real man, not some little snivellling wussy boy with delusions of adequacy,) called him on it. Too bloody bad if the right does not like seeing one of their lunatics bitch-slapped by a real man.

Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office.[/QUOLTE]

So did Hitler and James Trafficant. What's your point?

If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic.

Erm...Whiskey..Tango...Foxtrot...

The sad sack knows NOTHING, compared to me, aboput what veterans want from ther government, his spew of BS is in total conflict with what I have always experienced and felt, going through the system myself, while Markos slapped the mewling punk upside that head with exactly the sort of things I wouldl have liked to slap him with. I am, myself, a veteran, medically retired, I live among vewterans, I use the VA facility at American Lake for my long-term and routine medical, I work part-time at one job qhich is only available to veterans, and I have not yet once met any of them who think Tancredo's crap flies any better than a lead penguin.

No way in hell does wussy boy Tancredo know more than Kos about veteran's affairs.

I've read some of Kos' more interesting rants. That is a big assumption you are making.

I have read dsome of chicken poo Tom's rants, too. He has never, in the opinion of this professional soldier, been right about veteran's affairs or military strategy. This is NOT an assumption, but a professional assesment of the dreck that the babbler from Colorado has flung at the wall to see if it sticks. Soldiers need a lout like Tancredo like a tuxedo needs brown shoes, or a Bar Mitzvah needs ham and cheese sandwiches.

What are you talking about? You think he is the only person on TV that insults the other guy?

No, of course not. The fat deaf eunuch, Slant-head Hannity and the shrieking little punk Beck do it all the time.

Difference between them and Kos is that Kos is willing to deal with this niggling little thing called "reality."

 

[Lurker]

Total crap. Kos is a blogger. Tancredo has actually held elected office. If at least two veterans voted for him, that means he knows way more about what veterans want than Kos has ever demonstrated. At least, by your logic.

This ignores the survey that showed veterans prefer their VA service to that of private insurance. Kos was wight in that his view represented veterans better than Tancredo. Tancredo only offered anecdotal evidence and seemed oblivious to the survey that showed he was wrong.

This IS a skeptic's site, right? We should place a higher value on statistical evidence like a survey than on solely anecdotal evidence, right?

Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.

 

[leftysergeant]

Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.

Fair fights are for suckers. Tancredo is a nobody who got lucky and is now a has-been, and, if even he believes the crap he spews, deserves to stay that way.

No mercy for cowards and liars.

 

[Donal]

This ignores the survey that showed veterans prefer their VA service to that of private insurance. Kos was wight in that his view represented veterans better than Tancredo. Tancredo only offered anecdotal evidence and seemed oblivious to the survey that showed he was wrong.

That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo.

Kos accidentally said something correct. He doesn't get credit for it.

This IS a skeptic's site, right? We should place a higher value on statistical evidence like a survey than on solely anecdotal evidence, right?

Absolutely. Please point out where either of them did such a thing as reference a survey.

Kos was out of liine in his low blow though.

Ya, but he was insulting a Republican, so that is OK.

 

[leftysergeant]

That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo.

Big difference here is, of course, that between the two of them, only Kos has any real-world expertise on the subject.

Kos accidently said something correct.

Where do you get "accidently? The man has real-world experience. Snivelling Tom does not.

Absolutely. Please point out where either of them did such a thing as reference a survey.

If you want to tell a man that what he takes for common sense is not actually sensible, you need to support it. Burden is on the moron from colorado.

Ya, but he was insulting a Republican, so that is OK.

Has nothing to do with Democrat or Republican. It has to do with being a real man or a sick little wussy boy, a veteran or a reject, a liar or an honest man.

Little wussy Tommy loses.

I have only ONCE in my life heard an actual veteran say that vouchers were a good idea, and that one was dumb enough to think that Sarah Palin was up to being Vice President.

 

[Lurker]

That right there, if you can link it, would be actual evidence. My point was not that Kos was factually wrong. It was that he simply supplied anecdotal evidence, the same as Tencredo.

I had assumed Kos knew about the survey evidence. With the health care debate the VA satisfaction surveys have been more prominent.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=14560

Veterans continued to rate the care they receive through the Department of Veterans Affairs health care system higher than other Americans rate private-sector health care for the sixth consecutive year, a new annual report on customer satisfaction reveals.

 

[Checkmite]

And Tancredo actually is a dim bulb, in addition to having serious mental issues. (The mental issues are a matter of public record. It kept him out of the Army.)

It seems to me Tancredo wanted an apology not for being "called on a lie", but for the vet's suggesting that his mental illness was a feigned excuse to avoid service. Speaking as the son of a vet, I've seen and heard a lot of nasty verbiage directed by vets toward non-vets who were rejected due to medical reasons, as if they (the rejects) were cowards, malingerers, or could've/should've done...I don't know, something to get into the service anyway despite their condition (and that therefore since they didn't, they are less of a person than the vet).

 

[GStan]

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And lefty lowers himself for not condemning this behavior just because it was done by somebody on his side of the aisle.

Sad - in both cases.

I'm surprised that anyone could think that lefty could possibly lower himself.

 

[gtc]

Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting.

 

[leftysergeant]

Tom Tancredo was treated for depression at least 40 years ago. To use this fact to suggest that he is still mentally ill is disgusting.

His comments suggest either delusional ideation or a total lack of moral scrupples.

His conduct has at times left more than a few people calling him a nutbar.

 

[Ladewig]

His conduct has at times left more than a few people calling him a nutbar.

And such name calling was and is counterproductive to political debate.

Isn't it rather obvious that running for public office is orders of magnitude easier than serving in the military?

Not if you do it right.

I still cannot figure out your point here.

 

[Pardalis]

"whacko" (a little projection?)
"shut his pie hole" (colourful, kind of what a old grandfather would say to his grandson)
"sorry excuse for a man" ( I guess that makes you a "Man")
"drooling moron"
"congress critter"
"whackadoodle wing"
"dim bulb" (hey, he wants to conserve energy, I thought you were green?)
"moron"
"cockroaches" (I heard Hutus use that same word to describe the Tutsis)
"chicken hawk"
"a lying cockroach" (cockroaches don't lie)
"creeps"
"wussy boy"
"lunatic"
"bull flops"
"nutbar"
"Yellow-bellied" (is that a new species?)
"anal-retentive wussy boys " (I kind of like this one)
"guanophrenic Koolaid-with-a=dash-of-Sarin-drinking Libertarians"
"snivellling wussy boy"
"mewling punk"
"chicken poo" (I think it's called guano)
"babbler from Colorado"
"fat deaf eunuch" (now that's not nice to fat deaf eunuchs, what have they done to you?)
"Slant-head"
"shrieking little punk"
"No mercy for cowards and liars" (may I call you Rambo from now on?)
"Snivelling Tom"
"moron from colorado" (I thought it was "babbler" from Colorado?)
"sick little wussy boy" (variantions on a theme I guess)
"nutbar" (you already said that one)

 

[leftysergeant]

I just get so tired of the lunatics running the assylum. Tancredo and his sort are not up to handling a nation in crisis. They lack wisdom and courage and judgement, and, in too many cases, the moral fiber. There is no reason for a real man like Markos to sit there and let a snot like Tancredo lie to his face.

And I refer to the Rushblob as the "fat deaf eunuch" not to disparge people with a sexual dysfunction, but to remind people who might mistake him for a rational human being that he appears to have chemically castrated himself by his drug abuse. He shows no empathy for those who suffer setbacks that are no fault of their own, so why should I show any for him?

Same goes for Tancredo.

 

[Pardalis]

I'm sure calling your fellow Americans "coackroaches" will help your nation in "crisis".

 

[Checkmite]

He shows no empathy for those who suffer setbacks that are no fault of their own, so why should I show any for him?

Presumably because you are not a "fat deaf eunuch".