Welcome, Tandi

[Ceinwyn]

Temp3st and I work together. We talk. We share interests.

Then you should know better. And she should know better.

 

[TheBoyPaj]

??

If we're having a conversation, and I mention a discussion which I am having on an internet forum, is he not entitled to join that discussion himself?

How is that different from one of us joining a thread which we read about online? How is that different from wiggywoo joining us here after reading about it on DigitalSpy?

No deception has taken place, as far as I can tell.

In actual fact, if memory serves me, Temp3st was on Digital Spy long before Tandi and myself, and he pointed me towards the original Derek Acorah thread.

 

[Ceinwyn]

??

If we're having a conversation, and I mention a discussion which I am having on an internet forum, is he not entitled to join that discussion himself?

How is that different from one of us joining a thread which we read about online? How is that different from wiggywoo joining us here after reading about it on DigitalSpy?

No deception has taken place, as far as I can tell.

Sorry BoyPaj, I was feeling angry from reading other threads.

There is no problem, enjoy.

Again, my apologies.

 

[Temp3st]

I was not at all surprised to see Temp3st on the Digital Thread, where Paj goes the other follows, and on reading the contents of that thread, would this not class as trolling?

And your point is.....?

Why the hell shouldn't I post on that forum? I have every right as any other member.
The posts made by Paj and myself are on topic so how is it trolling?

Why should I sit back and let a bunch of ignorant believers gang up on the lone voice of reason?

 

[P.S.A.]

I was not at all surprised to see Temp3st on the Digital Thread, where Paj goes the other follows, and on reading the contents of that thread, would this not class as trolling?

Of course, when you personally follow TheBoyPaj to a forum, that's not trolling at all.

This is not only untrue but also very juvenile.

Needless to say, the behaviour shown in this thread here is both mature and untrollish.

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52571&highlight=Janice

If a few members of this forum choose to post where there beliefs differ to the mainstream of the subjects being debated on other forums, they then revert to causing contentment and arguments.

And the above thread shows Janice is entirely above that behaviour too.

Dr Adequate you have proved beyond a reasonable doubt, that you are incapable of debating anything when it comes to mediumship. [/B]

Hypocrisy... it's what's for dinner!

 

[Mojo]

ide rather be ignorant than arrogant

You might like the Slartibartfast quote in my sig, then...

 

[Dr Adequate]

Dr Adequate for someone supposedly so well educated and academic your arguments are so weak. You have still not confirmed what proof you are looking for even after all of your postings. You accuse everyone who does not agree with you views of bitching. This is not only untrue but also very juvenile. If a few members of this forum choose to post where there beliefs differ to the mainstream of the subjects being debated on other forums, they then revert to causing contentment and arguments.

Dr Adequate you have proved beyond a reasonable doubt, that you are incapable of debating anything when it comes to mediumship.

Wow, looney tunes.

I'm sorry if I "caused contentment". That was, er, very wrong of me, but I don't know why.

One thing is obvious. Instead of presenting proof of the paranormal, you prefer to complain about me.

Or, as I put it in my previous post:

Ninety-three posts so far, and unless I've missed something, the Believers haven't posted one single thing which they think is evidence of the paranormal.

Instead, they've just bitched about the people who won't just believe what they say without proof.

It's a poor substitute, but it seems to be all they've got.

One hundred and three posts so far, and, Janice, you have still posted nothing on this thread which you believe to be evidence for the paranormal. Whining and bitching about the people who don't believe is a poor substitute.

 

[Mojo]

so Dr Adequate - you speak for everyone who believes in afterlife do you?

In the post you quoted, Dr. A. was not attempting to speak for everyone (or indeed anyone) who believes in an afterlife. He was making an observation about what has been posted in this thread so far by people who are apparently believers. And an accurate observation at that, in my opinion.

Dr Adequate for someone supposedly so well educated and academic your arguments are so weak. You have still not confirmed what proof you are looking for even after all of your postings.

I can't speak for Dr. A., but I would like to see any evidence at all for an afterlife. Why don't the believers on here just post whatever evidence they have, so that it can be examined to see if it makes their case? Come on, guys, give it your best shot!

 

[wahrheit]

I dont know everything. You dont know everything. It would be a boring world if everyone did know everything. Dont you agree?

(emphasize mine)

Doesn't this boil it down to the crux of the matter to be discussed?

 

[Jason 1978]

Also - which D.S. member are you?
I get the feeling you didn't stumble across this forum/thread by accident.

Really - not that it's any business of yours anyway, but do you have any evidence to support such a ridiculous assertion ?

I thought you were into hard facts, not "feelings"

 

[Temp3st]

Really - not that it's any business of yours anyway, but do you have any evidence to support such a ridiculous assertion ?

I thought you were into hard facts, not "feelings"

oh you are a special boy aren't you Jason?

 

[Jason 1978]

They make a real world claim. If they want to claim that there belife is based on faith alone that is onething. But they do not. They claim it is based on at least some form of evidence.

Christians seriously use the Bible as evidence of God and the sanctity of Jesus Christ. Other religions do the same. It's up to them and they don't have to supply hard evidence, neither is the onus on them to do so.


Believers in the paranormal have their own belief system. They are not forcing anybody else to believe the claims being made. Nobody has to believe if they don't want to.

What appalling insecurity afflicts sceptics that they constantly demand that believers produce hard evidence to support their claims. Why can't they get over themselves and just let it be ?

 

[Jason 1978]

oh you are a special boy aren't you Jason?

Well as Roy Walker used to say in that old ITV programme "Catchphrase", "That's a great answer Temp3st, but it's not right".

I'm just a very average guy.

More importantly, your reply sidesteps the point I made.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Christians seriously use the Bible as evidence of God and the sanctity of Jesus Christ. Other religions do the same. It's up to them and they don't have to supply hard evidence, neither is the onus on them to do so.

Believers in the paranormal have their own belief system. They are not forcing anybody else to believe the claims being made. Nobody has to believe if they don't want to.

What appalling insecurity afflicts sceptics that they constantly demand that believers produce hard evidence to support their claims. Why can't they get over themselves and just let it be ?

I should point out to other posters that since Jason is English that could be just a deadpan joke.

Nuts in the head is the second option.

 

[Temp3st]

More importantly, your reply sidesteps the point I made.

More importantly, you have yet to tell tell us where these 'real' orb pictures are on google.

So please don't accuse me of sidestepping the issue.
I've already stated that I think it is no coincidence that you show up within a few posts of tandi posting the same old believer crap - yet offering no evidence to back up your claims.

If it is a coincidence then I will admit I was wrong. I asked you who you were - you refused to answer. If you were not connected with DS then the polite answer would have been something along the lines of 'sorry - you are wrong I do not post on that forum' - but you decided to be a prat about it.

This tells me you probably are related to that forum.
Although - I admit that you are right and I do not have any proof.

Now – about those Orb pictures?

 

[Azrael 5]

Originally posted by Jason1978

What appalling insecurity afflicts sceptics that they constantly demand that believers produce hard evidence to support their claims. Why can't they get over themselves and just let it be ?

What appaling lack of intelligence afflicts believers into thinking there is a paranormal phenomena without any evidence for it? Are you going to rattle on like Janice for hundreds of posts(despite her claiming she was making her last post in February)or are you going to give us a paranormal topic to discuss?

 

[Jason 1978]

If it is a coincidence then I will admit I was wrong. I asked you who you were - you refused to answer. If you were not connected with DS then the polite answer would have been something along the lines of 'sorry - you are wrong I do not post on that forum' - but you decided to be a prat about it.

This tells me you probably are related to that forum.
Although - I admit that you are right and I do not have any proof.

You suggest that a better initial line would have been for me to say "sorry, I am not related to DS", yet you make no such apology for saying I am.

As for being a prat, "pot, kettle, black" ?

I have already posted what I consider to be a good article about orbs, with a sound technical explanation. If you decide not to acept it, then that's up to you. I'm here to debate reasonably, not constantly provide "proof".

 

[Mojo]

Christians seriously use the Bible as evidence of God and the sanctity of Jesus Christ. Other religions do the same.

And all of these religions make claims, based on the "evidence" of their holy books, that contradict claims made by other religions (I'll leave aside, for now, the fact that the books tend to contradict themselves as well).

If they contradict each other, how many religions do you think can be completely correct in their beliefs, at most?

 

[Jason 1978]

And all of these religions make claims, based on the "evidence" of their holy books, that contradict claims made by other religions (I'll leave aside, for now, the fact that the books tend to contradict themselves as well).

If they contradict each other, how many religions do you think can be completely correct in their beliefs, at most?

What you say is perfectly true, but my point is that religious belief is treated by others with respect, however ludicrous or otherwise those beliefs may be - normally. Belief in the paranormal, however, as these boards amply demonstrate, meet with not just scepticism, but outright hostility and contempt, accompanied by the incessant background music of "evidence, evidence, evidence".

 

[TheBoyPaj]

What you say is perfectly true, but my point is that religious belief is treated by others with respect, however ludicrous or otherwise those beliefs may be - normally.

Try telling that to the Jews in the Second World War. History is littered with examples of people not respecting others' religion.

But the main difference, as has been pointed out to you already, is that most people who are religious do not claim to have had a supernatural experience. They are open in the fact that they are just guessing, and could be wrong. This is my experience.

Believers in the paranormal will often say that they have seen evidence or, more commonly, that THEY have had a paranormal experience that the rest of us just couldn't understand. They say that the paranormal world just IS, and there can be no questions. THAT's arrogance.

If someone says they believe but go no further, I'm happy to accept that. Actual, specific claims warrant questioning.