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Rat said:
Site is pure Flash, with virtually no meaningful content at all. Having temporarily enabled Flash for the site, I cannot, of course, copy the post code, because it's only a picture of the address, rather than actual text.
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Flash Gits Bespoke Web Development Ltd
Never mind the quality...
Feel the (band)width​
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I appreciate that I am not doing a great job of communicating my question.

What I am trying to get to is - where do you think we are going / will be 5 years hence? Where will HTML and RIA technologies be then? Will we really be on HTMLx or will there be something else? Put flash or whatever aside - what will people be clicking on in 5 years time...?
 
hodgy said:
I appreciate that I am not doing a great job of communicating my question.
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hodgy said:
What I am trying to get to is - where do you think we are going / will be 5 years hence? Where will HTML and RIA technologies be then? Will we really be on HTMLx or will there be something else? Put flash or whatever aside - what will people be clicking on in 5 years time...?
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I feel like I have answered your question, in part by presenting evidence that suggests industry experts are investing a great deal of resources into the ongoing development of a cross-platform, multi-media web using HTML (for delivering content) and CSS (for the control of presentation)

In contrast, it seems to me that you have merely - and vaguely - alluded to a bunch of platform-dependant, media-specific apps

I now ask you - in your own words - "where do you think we are going / will be 5 years hence"?

Please explain
 
Google CEO Eric Schmidt envisions a radically changed internet five years from now

www.readwriteweb.com Google's Eric Schmidt on What the Web Will Look Like in 5 Years
Google CEO Eric Schmidt envisions a radically changed internet five years from now: dominated by Chinese-language and social media content, delivered over super-fast bandwidth in real time. Figuring out how to rank real-time social content is "the great challenge of the age," Schmidt said in an interview in front of thousands of CIOs and IT Directors at last week's Gartner Symposium/ITxpo Orlando 2009.

<snip/>we've excerpted 6 minutes that we believe is of interest to anyone who's touched by the web.

For the excerpt vid, see the source: www.readwriteweb.com/archives/google_web_in_five_years.php​

Highlighted comments include:
  • Five years from now the internet will be dominated by Chinese-language content.
  • Today's teenagers are the model of how the web will work in five years - they jump from app to app to app seamlessly.
  • Five years is a factor of ten in Moore's Law, meaning that computers will be capable of far more by that time than they are today.
  • Within five years there will be broadband well above 100MB in performance - and distribution distinctions between TV, radio and the web will go away.
  • "We're starting to make signifigant money off of Youtube", content will move towards more video.
  • "Real time information is just as valuable as all the other information, we want it included in our search results."
  • There are many companies beyond Twitter and Facebook doing real time.
  • "We can index real-time info now - but how do we rank it?"
  • It's because of this fundamental shift towards user-generated information that people will listen more to other people than to traditional sources. Learning how to rank that "is the great challenge of the age." Schmidt believes Google can solve that problem.

There's lots more in the full 45 minutes of Schmidt's interview, including a statement that a Google OS Netbook will be here in 2010, with HTML5 local caching for offline use.

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Full 45-minute video:
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tkingdoll said:
If you design and build on a PC, buy a Mac for testing. If you design and build on a Mac, buy a PC for testing. I'm not a developer, I employ them, and the single greatest headache of every project is getting the site to look perfect or degrade gracefully in as many combinations of OS and browser as possible. My company supports the top few, contractually, which are:

IE7 on PC
IE6 on PC (I have a dedicated PC in the office for this as you can't have both versions installed at the same time)
Firefox (latest version) on PC
Firefox (latest version) on Mac
Safari (latest version) on Mac

Opera looks after itself, although I don't guarantee it in the contract, I've never had a site not work in it. Anything else, the client has to pay extra for. Sometimes they want IE6 on a Mac or that sort of thing.

Anyway, my advice is, learn the bug fixes and make sure you have access to both a Mac and PC for testing. If you're just doing it as a hobby, call a mate with a Mac and ask them to look at the site for you.

And my top tip: Mac OS renders fonts slightly larger than Windows, so beware the dreaded text-going-onto-the-next-line headache.
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Virtual machines (VMWare, Virtualbox, Parllels) can be real handy for testing various browser versions, especially IE, as there is no way to install more than one version of IE on a single instance of Windows. Unfortunately, you still need a Mac to (legally) test the Mac versions of browsers. I'm not knocking Macs (no point in getting that religious war going on this thread), but if you are using a PC for development, it's an significant cost to buy a Mac for testing.
 
I will add my vote to those saying to learn to code html in a text editor. I would also like to add that whatever you do, do not ever, under any circumstances, try to create a web page by taking a Microsoft Word document and using the "save as html" option. The resulting heap of stinking garbage will not be twice as big as a hand coded page; it will be more like ten times as big.

Also, keep in mind that there is a remote possibility that I will someday be tasked with editing the page that you create, and I will be forced to hunt you down and make you pay for your crime :D .
 
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CORed said:
Unfortunately, you still need a Mac to (legally) test the Mac versions of browsers.
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There is a legal, free workaround: get others to help :)

http://browsershots.org/
What is Browsershots?

Browsershots makes screenshots of your web design in different browsers. It is a free open-source online service created by Johann C. Rocholl. When you submit your web address, it will be added to the job queue. A number of distributed computers will open your website in their browser. Then they will make screenshots and upload them to the central server here.
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Terry said:
vim -- but you won't like it :)
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You won't like vim unless you have experience with, and have learned to like, vi; if that's the case, you'l love vim. But unless you are a an old-timer geek with a lot of UNIX experience, you probably don't even know what vi is.

The vi editor (and vim and other "extended" versions of vi) has one of the least inturitive, but most efficient, user interfaces ever developed. It will drive you nuts until you get used to it, and learn to use some of it's advanced features, especially regular expression search and replace. Once that happens, you will probably find yourself trying to use vi commands in other editors, then cursing them for not being vim or vi.
 
It's the reason that so many editors, such as Notepad++ and current IDE editors, have regular expression search/replace. Unfortunately, the Visual Studio RE replace isn't complete.

If you're on Windows, by the way, I recommend Notepad++ for just about any editing task. Free (Open Source) and lots of advanced features available for the expert, but usable by the novice too.
 
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