We Scored One For The Skeptics!

[Coritani]

I don't believe the government planted it there. I believe it's the data from AA77 which didn't crash and it was stopped at 1 second before the time it is alleged to have crashed.

So you believe that the plane flew over the pentagon, rather than crashing into it as dozens of witnesses reported?

 

[uk_dave]

But when the data he has presented, which you claim others have told him is flawed, is backed up by multiple highly credible witnesses (who's character you can't and probably won't dare to attack) what are you going to say?

So you actually believe the fantasy which the elite pentagon research team claim they are going to present, despite the fact that all they have done so far is hype this fantasy on internet forum, have not provided any evidence and have been in dispute with one of the more level headed CTers (Russel Pickering) who is at least able to apply his critical thinking skills to their nonesense even if he trips over when it comes to some of his own speculations?

And you have totally ignored the suggestion made on this thread that you read through the excellent post made by anti-sophist and the subsequent 'debate' with undertow from 'pilots for truth'.... a debate, I might add, which ended with undertow disappearing back to pft after being demolished by anti-sophist.

You really do need to get up to speed on these things, because it is really embarassing to see you CTers still going on about FDR data which you don't understand, claims about hijackers still being alive which have been retracted and immature chemtrail fearing amatuer slueths who think five year old eyewitness testimony is going to counter all physical evidence.

 

[DarkMagician]

But when the data he has presented, which you claim others have told him is flawed,

No, the prevailing conclusion is that he interpreted the data wrong, not the data is wrong.

is backed up by multiple highly credible witnesses (who's character you can't and probably won't dare to attack) what are you going to say?

No, it's horse first, then the cart!

Don't call them beyond reproach before they've been critically examined.

 

[Pardalis]

I don't believe the government planted it there. I believe it's the data from AA77 which didn't crash and it was stopped at 1 second before the time it is alleged to have crashed.

Whoa!

So what was it doing in the Pentagon rubble????

You asked me to explain the remains of passengers from the Pentagon. I stated you cannot tell by looking at the pics who is a passenger and who is not. Therefor you cannot say beyond all shadow of a doubt that any of the passengers died in a violent airplane crash at the Pentagon.

No, their DNA was analysed and matched with the passengers DNA. What more proof do you want?

 

[kookbreaker]

You asked me to explain the remains of passengers from the Pentagon. I stated you cannot tell by looking at the pics who is a passenger and who is not.

But you can by DNA analysis and other ID methods. What is your problem here?

Therefor you cannot say beyond all shadow of a doubt that any of the passengers died in a violent airplane crash at the Pentagon.

Actually, yes you can. Unless you can explain why the bodies of many people who had no reason to be at the Pentagon were there after the crash.

They made the same claim that they identified 100% of UA93 at a special facility in VA. Yet on 9/11/6 I got a copy of the Tribune Democrat at the UA93 memorial and in it Wally Miller states he still retains the remains. 3 caskets full of unidentifiable remians. 3 caskets.....about 8% of the passengers.

This is where you are being just foolish. Unidentified remains mean body parts that could not be identified due to damge, or other reasons. It does not mean that the rest of the body was not identified. Furthermore, it also would include the 'unidentified' bodies which are assumed to be the hijackers.

 

[DarkMagician]

You asked me to explain the remains of passengers from the Pentagon. I stated you cannot tell by looking at the pics who is a passenger and who is not. Therefor you cannot say beyond all shadow of a doubt that any of the passengers died in a violent airplane crash at the Pentagon.

They made the same claim that they identified 100% of UA93 at a special facility in VA. Yet on 9/11/6 I got a copy of the Tribune Democrat at the UA93 memorial and in it Wally Miller states he still retains the remains. 3 caskets full of unidentifiable remians. 3 caskets.....about 8% of the passengers.

Wow, what a way to give an answer that's only vaguely related to the question.

"Is the sky blue around noon?"
"Well, air is clear."
"..."

 

[~enigma~]

The data is what it is. It shows what it shows. Instead of handing out insults try downloading the .csv file and see if you can figure it out yourself. Course I guess insults are alot easier...........

I did download the CSV and you should have been able to comprehend what the NTSB said. The data is meant to be plotted and not to be used for forensic analysis. And you wonder why we call you woowoos...

 

[~enigma~]

Why don't you try and answer the logical problem Enigma has confronted you with?

Logic puts woowoos in an infinite loop

 

[The Silver Shadow]

To the CTer's:
Carl Sagan once said this:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

You're making an extraordinary claim that 9/11 was an inside job. Where's the extraordinary evidence to prove that? You're simply speculating

 

[~enigma~]

There's no way of telling which is the horribly burned remains of a Pentagon employee and which are the horribly burned remains of a passenger. Does seem odd that a human body could withstand more than the plane could though, doesn't it? I mean the Shanksville plane also shattered into thousands of pieces and left no real visibly identifiable parts of an airplane other than 3 or 4 things. Same at the Pentagon. The difference being only 8% of UA93's remains could be recovered and 100% of AA77's.

That doesn't even strike you as slightly odd?

How large of a sample do you think (wrong word for you) is needed for DNA analysis? Did you ever see any of the evidence at the trial of Zacarias Moussai? In particular this...

 

[~enigma~]

'whaddya gonna do when 'x' comes out' before.

Yeah...what are you gonna do when...you guys know the rest

 

[Pardalis]

Logic puts woowoos in an infinite loop

Notice how he still evaded the question?


So again Terrocell, why would the conspirators create false evidence that goes against their masterplan?

Understand the question now?

 

[~enigma~]

Notice how he still evaded the question?


So again Terrocell, why would the conspirators create false evidence that goes against their masterplan?

Understand the question now?

Frankly I don't expect him to answer my question. For that matter i don't believe ANYONE on the LCF would have the cahones to answer my question honestly.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Frankly I don't expect him to answer my question. For that matter i don't believe ANYONE on the LCF would have the cahones to answer my question honestly.

It's odd... They get all worked up over perceived inconsistencies and anomalies in the official account, but aren't at all concerned with reconciling the universe-destroying paradoxes in even the simplest of their own claims...

 

[beachnut]

LOL!!!!!!!!

Bring your argument to the group of pilots who obtained the data and did all the work on it. I dare you!!!!!

Who? Name one pilot who obtained the data doltish CTer.

If you mention the JDX fool you are out to lunch. Where are your brains kept? They excaped a while back.

Sorry but you are so short of facts and just full of junk.

 

[beachnut]

How is it consistent?

It is a completely different flight path. It is way above all the lightposts it's alledged to have knocked over, it's on the North side of the Citgo station, it is 18 miles away 1 second before impact, and so on.

You have addressed all of these issues? I seriously doubt it.

I had a rightwing radio host (Jim Quinn, XM165, WPGB 104.7 Pittsburgh) look over the data and he told me it was faked and my sources were full of ***** because that plane at best was going to "overshoot" it's target. Jim Quinn has a couple thousand hours logged as a pilot.

Then I showed him the FOIA cover sheet from the NTSB and provided links for him to verify it and his next reply was :

Produce a passenger.

As if I know what happened to the people on that plane. That's one of the reasons I want a new investigation!!!!

If you did not look at the data then your source is tell you lies. You need to learn how to read the data and then tell me how many seconds were not recorded on the chip due to the crash. Can you tell me how a FDR works?

Can your expert pilot tell you? Maybe when you get 27 experts to say you are correct then you can talk again about the FDR. But there are several experts right here who say your experts are biased liars.

Sorry but you must have some problem understanding research. You believe some guy you never met? You believe lies? Why are you so easy to fool?

Look up how a FDR in a 757 stores data. Then you can start again. Do not be an idiot; try thinking for yourself.

 

[Firestone]

I cannot imagine myself trying to stop a broadcast or publication of something pro the official conspiracy theory. I would just feel too ashamed.

But. again we truthers don't have anything to loose getting information out there. Also, the dumbass official conspiracy theory. We don't mind.

You guys, don't seem to have any shame.

I cannot imagine myself trying to accuse people of murder or massive fraud without any evidence. I would just feel too ashamed.

You guys, don't seem to have any shame.

 

[jsiv]

Besides the fact that "Pilots for 9/11 Truth" are only pretending to be pilots.

I thought their real name was PSYCHOTICS FOR 9/11 TRUTH

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=603

Pilots?, All of us, you bet.

Don't be fooled by the name of the forum - we are all pilots for truth. To pilot means to GUIDE, the use of the word is not restricted to airplanes. And that's what we are all doing here, anyway, to guide, to pilot, people to the truth about 9/11 - and you all know that it's not like the JFK assassination, a hobby, trying to decifer what happened some 40 years ago. It is happening NOW. 9/11 was the jump-start of what can only be considered, completion of a plan to enslave the human race, the enslavement of the planet's population's minds and souls and bodies and the fruits of their labor. War and killing is in the cards. That's why 9/11 was necessary - to forment enough hate in America to allow what is happening now, and what will soon happen (tomorrow, I hear), to take place.

There will be millions killed before this is all over. (Probably half a million dead as I write this already.)

 

[8den]

It takes 9 frigging pages before a woowoo (We'll assume) before someone figures out to try and register a complaint with RTE, apparently according to Pdoh

I dont think it will do that atall. I think when they see threads in which you lot crow and boast about it will show them what a mistake they poi have made.

Bless our apparent pleasure at seeing a contemptable excuse of a documentary not being shown will inspire RTE to change their mind.

I want to say, I'm not opposed to RTE screening the film, I'm opposed to them screening unqualified. It needs context. I mean after all both Rowe and Avery admit the film is factually inaccurate, and they've not tried to get copyright of the film. I pointed out to RTE the problems with the film, and they choose to pull it from their schedule, based on that information.

Hey P'Doh, if you're planning on linking to this thread, RTE will also get to read your comments on the thread on the loose change forum, where you admit to mispresenting your position.

See the grown ups are talking now, your childish arguments don't work. Loose change would expose RTE to libel and Copyright violations. Do you really think a third party should be exposed to this nonsense?

Course you do.

 

[Kage]

You manage to supress millions of people from hearing information that you disagree with and call us Hilterites.

Yes! We did. Nobody will ever be able to watch said movie ever, or at least not untill this internet thing catches on.