We Scored One For The Skeptics!

[R.Mackey]

You people aren't really bright at all.

Quite a strong charge. Let's see how you back that up.

You suppressed people from the opportunity of viewing this documentary for free on television.

Uh huh. So you claim that we had the authority, and made the decision, not to show this movie.

Need I point out that, first of all, we don't have authority over Irish television? And second, all we did was voice a public concern about the screening?

The decision was theirs. We suppressed nothing. So far, looks like we're brighter than you.

I didnt say I have been silenced on this fourm.

You signed your last message, and I quote, "Your silenced opposition."

You're all trolls right? None of you can actually have this poor of a grasp of reading comprehension. Not for how many seem unable to comprehend it.

That noise you just heard was an Irony Meter taking too much spin, shearing its mounting plates, and breaking the sound barrier.

Or is this the "spin zone" where the O'Reilly wannabe's of the world all gather to see how this can take statements and turn their meanings into something completely different?

This is the JREF Forum, where intelligent people share opinions, facts, and hypotheses about a broad variety of topics. It also attracts more than its share of malcontents and paranoiacs, and fellows like yourself who overindulge in the "False Choice" fallacy.

Thanks for the laugh, ErrorCell.

 

[Arus808]

Yes it is factual information, girl.

80 errors presented in a hour or so long fantasy film is not factual, boy.

 

[A W Smith]

They went looking to plunder the leprechauns pot of gold and fill it with nonsense. Only to find he had a new visa debit card.

 

[uk_dave]

Terrorcell, why did you compare us to the Nazi party?

Because all our facts come from AFP?

No, no that can't be right...must be thinking of a different forum...

 

[JonnyFive]

You people aren't really bright at all. You suppressed people from the opportunity of viewing this documentary for free on television. I didnt say I have been silenced on this fourm. You're all trolls right? None of you can actually have this poor of a grasp of reading comprehension. Not for how many seem unable to comprehend it.

I'm sorry, I missed the part where we "suppressed people" somehow. I thought that some of the forum members wrote and asked the TV network to air balancing material. When said network reviewed the material, they decided that there was too much countering the LC "documentary" to make it worth airing it at all. It's not like they replaced it with a Bush love fest (to the best of my knowledge).

How, precisely, is that suppression?

Oh wait, it isn't. You have no right to complain about our lack of reading comprehension when you don't even display the simple ability to distinguish requesting a TV network present the counter information to Loose Change from us using some previously unknown authority to "suppress" the film.

Or is this the "spin zone" where the O'Reilly wannabe's of the world all gather to see how this can take statements and turn their meanings into something completely different?

What did you say about my mother? You take that back, or I'll have at you!

 

[Brainster]

Great job, 8DEN and others who wrote! The only thing that makes this better is the moaning about censorship from the Deniers!

 

[JimBenArm]

I would just like to pop in and congratulate the Nazi party on managing to silence their opposition!

Great job standing up for things you believe in (silencing those with differing opinions) and making a stand against that which you despise (the 1st Amendment of the Constitution).

Hitler would be soooooo proud of you all! I bet the Bush's are as well!


Congrats again!


Sincerely,


Your silenced opposition

I'm sorry. Did you say something? Couldn't hear you what with you being silenced and everything. Must be hard to speak from inside that coffin. Oh, wait. You're not dead? Not even prevented from posting here?

How did we silence you? Pretty poor job of it, in my opinion!

 

[beachnut]

What utter BS. A victory for censorship, you guys must be proud.

No! Wrong; How can you show a film full of lies without explaining it is one sided lies first and after.

LC video is so full of lies it is just biased propaganda.

It is not censor ship to pull the lies off the air. It is good idea not to push lies unless people know they are lies. Fiction should be introduced as such.

Censorship is what LCF does. Of course you have to censor the truth when you are selling lies. Ask Dylan. Go head ask Dylan.

Dylan said

I began writing "Loose Change," a fictional story ...

But it turned out to be just lies now!

 

[JonnyFive]

Great job, 8DEN and others who wrote! The only thing that makes this better is the moaning about censorship from the Deniers!

If this is censorship, what do you call people being banned over at LCF for disagreeing with the "party line"?

Since the truthers here seem to think the 1st amendment applies when a private individual or organization censors another individual, perhaps they should turn their gaze inward before declaring us suppressive persons or whatever else.

 

[uk_dave]

Gravy's enjoying himself over at LCF

It's good that the lad gets out now and again, since the 'truther' insult...I mean 'assault' never materialised.

We should run a book on whether the "Jrefers Have Stopped A Screening Of Loose Change" thread survives the day.

I give 50-1 against it being there saturday morning (GMT)

 

[aggle-rithm]

I'm sorry. Did you say something? Couldn't hear you what with you being silenced and everything. Must be hard to speak from inside that coffin. Oh, wait. You're not dead? Not even prevented from posting here?

How did we silence you? Pretty poor job of it, in my opinion!

Yeah, who was in charge of that? Couldn't they have at least broken his fingers so he couldn't type?

You can't get good help these days...

 

[Kiwiwriter]

We're responsible for Irish Television?

Let me get this straight...some honorable people write to Irish TV and urge them that if they air "Loose Change," they do so with opposing material, to provide context and truth. They don't call for it to be censored.

Irish TV decides on its own that airing explanations for all the nonsense on "Loose Change" would make a gigantic mess of their TV schedule, resulting in the movie airing at midnight. So they decide it's not worth having to air "Loose Change" and spend the next 10 days disavowing its message.

That says more about the errors in "Loose Change" that need to be corrected than about censorship.

And precisely how did JREF "censor" or "control" Irish TV? Oh, that's right, James Randi, being a magician, waved his magic wand, and poof! No more "Loose Change" on Irish TV! It turned into a re-run of "The Quiet Man," starring John Wayne.

And we're supposed to be the omnipotent Nazis.

You know, I'd like to ask the LCers a question. Let us presume for the sake of argument and hilarity that Dylan Avery and his merry band overturn the US government, and take it over, thus creating the new millennium, and my daughter is taught in school that George Bush and his villainous neo-Cons and Masons blew up the World Trade Center.

When my daughter gets up in class and says she knows that isn't so, because of the testimony of her good friend Michael Sheridan, the WTC's Operations Manager, will she be allowed to say that in class, under Dylan's rule? Will she be allowed by Dylan and the LC Forum government to print that as a story, article, or newsletter? Post it on a web-site? Argue it in a movie or on TV?

Judging from how the LC Forum bans argument on its web-site, I don't think so. Which begs the next question...who's doing the real censorship?

 

[zooloo]

This is a good day for the Truth about 9/11 as this proves the Jooooooooos control the Vatican who sent orders to Ireland to suppress the real story of WTC.

THAT'S FACT YOU SCEPTICS! SEE IT'S ALL TRUE TRUE I TELL YOU TR-HA-HA HAHAHAH-UE TR-HAHAHAHHAHA

(Nurse! He's getting out of his bed again.)

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

You people aren't really bright at all. You suppressed people from the opportunity of viewing this documentary for free on television. I didnt say I have been silenced on this fourm. You're all trolls right? None of you can actually have this poor of a grasp of reading comprehension. Not for how many seem unable to comprehend it.

Or is this the "spin zone" where the O'Reilly wannabe's of the world all gather to see how this can take statements and turn their meanings into something completely different?

That is an outright lie, and you well know it. The OP contacted the station and asked that they show alternative views on the movie along with the film. The station decided they did not have the time, or viewership in the time slot to properly present all the sides and therefore decided not to do a half-ass job of it.

To try to make that decision, which was based on what you so often call for, on impartiality into censorship is no different than the propaganda put forth by Koresh, Rev. J. Jones, Manson and their ilk. You daily cultic activities highlight your biases and hypocrisy.

 

[Anti-sophist]

It's so funny to watch them run their website like lockstep fascists and then preach about their freedoms and rail against the stifling of dissent. It's just funny.

The fact that they are just plain wrong about censorship is completely and utterly overshadowed by the abject hypocrisy.

 

[TC329]

Terrorcell, why did you compare us to the Nazi party?

Do you understand the definition of Nationalism? One's own government is superior and incapable of wrong doing while the rest of the world's are.

We live in a world where people believe only Democrats are crooked politicians, or only Republicans. Not both.

We live in a world where we know our government has repeatedly proven to have lied to us. They have carried out experiments on our soldiers. They have carried out experiments on our own citizens. They have lied about the existence of WMD's, Secret CIA prisons, Torture, Domestic Spying, etc. People have had to resign after scandal after scandal after scandal.

The 9/11 Commission has stated they were set up to fail. They were underfunded, rushed, and stonewalled. They have admitted that there are 100 people within our own government they could have "hanged" for 9/11.

Yet the "skeptics" (i.e. the people who believe what the government says....see the doublethink on that?) still OPPOSE A NEW INDEPENDENT AND TRANSPARENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE EVENTS THAT HAVE LED US TO WAR WITHOUT END.

America was attacked by 19 Saudi's who "hate our freedoms".

The Bush Administration them made 300,000,000 Americans suspects the following day and have been attacking our freedoms ever since. Attacking countries based on lies. Planning to attack more based on fear.

3,000 Americans were brutally murdered on 9/11 and there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

Why not support a new investigation and put an end to all of this???????

What are the "skeptics" (I use that term very loosely when talking about people here) so afraid of?

The American people dumped more money into finding out the intimate details of a former President's sex life than finding out everything about 9/11. Nearly 20 times as much money.

I don't understand how if you're side is right you can still oppose an investigation that would silence my side once and for all. Even before I became a member of this movement, back when I was a die hard Bush supporting registered Republican, I supported the family members who wanted a new investigation because they still had many unanswered questions.

I still believe the United States Government should be held accountable to the people and if the people still have unanswered questions then they should be answered. I don't understand how anyone can claim to love America and everything it is about and disagree.

Unless of course, they believe in the superiority of their government. In which case that would make them Nationalists.

Many people today confuse Nationalism with Patriotism. They couldn't possibly be more different from each other........

 

[Pardalis]

Terrorcell, why did you compare us to the Nazi party?

 

[TC329]

Let me get this straight...some honorable people write to Irish TV and urge them that if they air "Loose Change," they do so with opposing material, to provide context and truth. They don't call for it to be censored.

Is it your claim that the official version of the 9/11 story hasn't received a fair amount of radio and tv time to promote it's version of the events?

Over the last 5 years, the official version of the events hasn't received any attention in the media or television.

This was the time to offer the opposing view point. The mainstream one has been repeated for years and years and years without question on tv, radio, and anywhere else it can be.

 

[HyJinX]

<SNIP> 3,000 Americans were brutally murdered on 9/11 and there are still a lot of unanswered questions. <SNIP>

What EXACTLY are the unanswered questions that you and the truthers do not have answers to? You guys say this all the time but nobody tells me what the friggin questions are!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Do you understand the definition of Nationalism? One's own government is superior and incapable of wrong doing while the rest of the world's are.

We live in a world where people believe only Democrats are crooked politicians, or only Republicans. Not both.

We live in a world where we know our government has repeatedly proven to have lied to us. They have carried out experiments on our soldiers. They have carried out experiments on our own citizens. They have lied about the existence of WMD's, Secret CIA prisons, Torture, Domestic Spying, etc. People have had to resign after scandal after scandal after scandal.

The 9/11 Commission has stated they were set up to fail. They were underfunded, rushed, and stonewalled. They have admitted that there are 100 people within our own government they could have "hanged" for 9/11.

Yet the "skeptics" (i.e. the people who believe what the government says....see the doublethink on that?) still OPPOSE A NEW INDEPENDENT AND TRANSPARENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE EVENTS THAT HAVE LED US TO WAR WITHOUT END.

America was attacked by 19 Saudi's who "hate our freedoms".

The Bush Administration them made 300,000,000 Americans suspects the following day and have been attacking our freedoms ever since. Attacking countries based on lies. Planning to attack more based on fear.

3,000 Americans were brutally murdered on 9/11 and there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

Why not support a new investigation and put an end to all of this???????

What are the "skeptics" (I use that term very loosely when talking about people here) so afraid of?

The American people dumped more money into finding out the intimate details of a former President's sex life than finding out everything about 9/11. Nearly 20 times as much money.

I don't understand how if you're side is right you can still oppose an investigation that would silence my side once and for all. Even before I became a member of this movement, back when I was a die hard Bush supporting registered Republican, I supported the family members who wanted a new investigation because they still had many unanswered questions.

I still believe the United States Government should be held accountable to the people and if the people still have unanswered questions then they should be answered. I don't understand how anyone can claim to love America and everything it is about and disagree.

Unless of course, they believe in the superiority of their government. In which case that would make them Nationalists.

Many people today confuse Nationalism with Patriotism. They couldn't possibly be more different from each other........

Your diatribes read like a Jack Chick pamphlet. Not entirely surprising since you are part of a belief system; and not based on objective, verifiable evidence obtained through proper scientific methodology.