We Scored One For The Skeptics!

[stateofgrace]

Yes it is factual information, girl. It is truth and now someone here has had it removed from Irish television in order to supress information they don't want people to be exposed to.

Please state all the facts in LC.
Please state who had it removed from RTE.
Please state what information is being suppressed.

If it was all lies then you guys would want people to see it so they can crosscheck the information themselves, girl. Once they try that, girl, then they would find out it's all BS, girl. Wouldn't they?

I bolded for you, the truth.

But the fact that you support this information being supressed means you don't believe your own BS, girl. It's soooo obvious. If you only knew how many "lurkers" were laughing at you and not with you

I do not support the suppression of any information. I am pleased the RTE will not be broadcasting a pack of lies though. I am pleased that your utter garbage will not be show to more people who in turn will get suckered into your silly world.

You have failed totally to convince anybody because you are supporting lies.

You and those that support this silly movie are actually suppressing the real failing prior to 911. You and your merry band of freedom fighters are actually burying the real truth in your silly conspiracies, in your paranoid world of suppression.

You are distorting facts to fit into your world view, whereby unless everybody agrees with you then everybody blindly follows Bush and applauds the disaster of the wars in the Middle. Everybody is blissfully unaware of the world injustices and simply follow their Hitler like leader, like the Nazis you choose to label people who call you and your rubbish out.

You are so blind to reality and the real world you prefer to resort to propaganda and simply demonise all those who see straight through your conspiracies. You,incorrectly, believe you are being suppressed, yet you have the right, the freedom to accuse the President of the USA and the present administration of mass murder of 3000 of their own. You do this daily.

You are allowed to freely express your opinion, you are freely allowed to accuse those that run your country of mass murder, you accuse them of torture, human rights abuses, unjust wars, and you even compare them to Hitler and the Nazi party.

Yet, nothing happens; you are allowed to do it. You are allowed to do this because it is your right to do this; it is your basic human right to do so. This right you take for granted, you believe it is your god given right to do this. But if you for a moment took the time to just look beyond your shores you would see there are many countries where many people are denied this right. They do not have the right to speak out; they really do live in fear and oppression from their Governments. This is something you have not and will not ever experience, because the last time I looked the USA was a democracy, the biggest one on the planet in fact. you should be proud to live in such a country, you should be proud of the many achievements your country has made, but you are not, you would rather have everybody believe that you live in a Nazi state and all your liberties have been removed.

People condemn or support on fact, not make believe, not wishful thinking and certainly not because you, rant and rave on an internet forum.

LC has hijacked this dreadful event and turned it into a circus, a money making circus. You should be ashamed of yourself; you should hang your head in shame at the total lack of faith you have in your fellow countrymen, for it is them you accuse, daily,of mass murder.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Is it your claim that the official version of the 9/11 story hasn't received a fair amount of radio and tv time to promote it's version of the events?

Over the last 5 years, the official version of the events hasn't received any attention in the media or television.

This was the time to offer the opposing view point. The mainstream one has been repeated for years and years and years without question on tv, radio, and anywhere else it can be.

WHY ISN'T OUR PUBLIC TELEVISION STATION AIRING MORE DOCUMENTARIES ABOUT THE HOLOCAUST HOAX, THE MOON LANDING HOAX, THE AIDS HOAX, THE RACIAL EQUALITY HOAX, THE CHEMTRAILS IN THE AIR, THE TERRORISM HOAX, AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT!!! I DEMAND AN END TO THIS CENSORSHIP!!! I DEMAND EQUAL TIME FOR MY OPPOSING VIEWS!!!

 

[Alt+F4]

They're accusing the US government of being responsible for 9/11, and at the same time asking them (the US government) to redo an investigation on themselves, which will (in their mind) lead to their incrimination. Since the government won't do that, they accuse them of being behind 9/11.

Good point - and in regard to this "new investigation" why should the American tax payers foot the cost? Spend my tax dollars because some morons in the Internet have stupid questions that have been answered over and over again.

I was watching a show called "Best Evidence" about TWA Flight 800. In response to CTers who say a missle destoryed the plane the show bought a center fuel tank from identical plane. They hired experts to see if a spark could ignite the fumes in the fuel tank. Guess what? The tank exploded.

So why don't the 9/11 CTers raise money themselves buy an airplane, a large building and lots of thermite. There's their new invesigation. Too bad the CTers aren't willing to spend their own money, only other people's.

 

[HeyLeroy]

Congratulations, 8den et al.

I'll admit that when I saw the original thread I didn't think you'd have much success.

Actually, it's kind of a shame. It would have been better had it been shown, bookened by MarkyX's video.

Oh, well, I'm not gonna cry myself to sleep tonight.

I would just like to pop in and congratulate the Nazi party on managing to silence their opposition!
Great job standing up for things you believe in (silencing those with differing opinions) and making a stand against that which you despise (the 1st Amendment of the Constitution).
Hitler would be soooooo proud of you all! I bet the Bush's are as well!
Congrats again!
Sincerely,
Your silenced opposition

Shining example of "intelligent" discussion on the JREF forums.

Just. Too. Funny.

Howzabout answering what others in this thread have asked? Which material claims made in LC are actually true?

 

[Alt+F4]

Which material claims made in LC are actually true?

It was September. They got that right.

 

[beachnut]

Wow, I am simply stunned. The audacity of you people.

What do you do when you have idiots who believe thermate or other unnamed incendiary devices were used to destroy WTC 1,2, and 7?

The poor truth movement is without facts and evidence to support anything on 9/11. This is a great example of people not wanting to show lies without a warning.

You know a disclaimer. Like if you’re a real dumb person you may believe this pack of lies from the leader of the pack of master liars. We need to protect the terminally stupid; we try to educate but sometimes people fail to learn.

Do we need to warn the dumb people?

 

[T.A.M.]

Save your self righteous outrage for the school play ground, boy. You have not got a clue what you are talking about.

You guys just get off on playing the poor victim, the poor oppressed freedom fighter who is standing up against the totalitarian state. Playing the poor underdog, who against all odds freed humanity from itself.

Please child, give it a rest, nobody is silencing you, nobody is oppressing you, and nobody is suppressing you. Nobody is victimising you, nobody is watching, you, nobody is stalking you, nobody is listening to you, nobody gives a **** about you and you BS movie. Other than you and like minded loonies, living in the same little paranoid world you live in.

Go back to the playground, grow up and start living in the real world.

Not the one that allows you on the net every night and from the safety of your mommy’s basement to accuse innocent people of mass murder and anybody who doesn't agree with you of being Nazis.

Child.

Now now, you'll upset him...

This whole forum is so full of doublethink it is very disturbing. Beyond Orwellian.....

You manage to supress millions of people from hearing information that you disagree with and call us Hilterites.

You believe the official story put out by the US government and you call yourself "skeptics".

I am sick of annoying, inappropriate use of the word "doublethink" that the brainless CTers spout around about people here are JREF. Not only do you not have a clue what it really means, but you then use it inappropriately to make yourself look intellectual.

As for supression of information, Noone here does any such thing. Find one, just ONE single istance where a JREF member INTENTIONALLY tried to have information supressed. Asking for a balanced broadcast on the facts and fiction wrt 9/11 is not supression moron.

Wow, I am simply stunned. The audacity of you people.

What is so audacious about the comments made here. They are perhaps a little over zealous in their cheers for the removal of the mockumentary from Irish TV, but if you ask any of them, I am sure they would have no problem with the program airing, provided a counterview program was also aired.

Shining example of "intelligent" discussion on the JREF forums.

You wouldnt know "intelligent" discussion if it hit you in your cerebrum you spirochete.

You people aren't really bright at all. You suppressed people from the opportunity of viewing this documentary for free on television. I didnt say I have been silenced on this fourm. You're all trolls right? None of you can actually have this poor of a grasp of reading comprehension. Not for how many seem unable to comprehend it.

Or is this the "spin zone" where the O'Reilly wannabe's of the world all gather to see how this can take statements and turn their meanings into something completely different?

You are so far of base and yet you fail to realize it...so who is stupid? Most people who post here IMO have far above average IQ, unlike the posts I read over at LCF which remind me of a highschool gossip session. Any time you wanna compare yourself to myself or anyone here intellectually, the door is open my friend.

Yes it is factual information, girl. It is truth and now someone here has had it removed from Irish television in order to supress information they don't want people to be exposed to.

If it was all lies then you guys would want people to see it so they can crosscheck the information themselves, girl. Once they try that, girl, then they would find out it's all BS, girl. Wouldn't they?

But the fact that you support this information being supressed means you don't believe your own BS, girl. It's soooo obvious. If you only knew how many "lurkers" were laughing at you and not with you.

Once again, the support is for the right decision made by the station programmer, who after analyzing what would be needed to FAIRLY place a counterview program on next to it, decided to pull the program, rather than just show one side of things. Is your skull so thick that after being told this 5-6 times you still dont get it.

Do you understand the definition of Nationalism? One's own government is superior and incapable of wrong doing while the rest of the world's are.

Care to share the source for your "brilliant" definition of Nationalism?

We live in a world where people believe only Democrats are crooked politicians, or only Republicans. Not both.

Yes they are all bad...all out to get you...all out for the money...the power...the NWO (cue evil laugh).

We live in a world where we know our government has repeatedly proven to have lied to us. They have carried out experiments on our soldiers. They have carried out experiments on our own citizens. They have lied about the existence of WMD's, Secret CIA prisons, Torture, Domestic Spying, etc. People have had to resign after scandal after scandal after scandal.

Beyond your lack of proof for the above allegations, if they were true, it would place the USA only on par with every other leading nation in the world...so dont claim the US to be unique in these areas, please.

The 9/11 Commission has stated they were set up to fail. They were underfunded, rushed, and stonewalled. They have admitted that there are 100 people within our own government they could have "hanged" for 9/11.

Yet the "skeptics" (i.e. the people who believe what the government says....see the doublethink on that?) still OPPOSE A NEW INDEPENDENT AND TRANSPARENT INVESTIGATION INTO THE EVENTS THAT HAVE LED US TO WAR WITHOUT END.

A skeptic is someone who requires evidence to prove something true. We are skeptics of the CTs, as no evidence has been provided for them. We would be skeptical of the official story, and in some ways we are, if they didnt have such overwhelming evidence in their favor...which they do.

America was attacked by 19 Saudi's who "hate our freedoms".

That is correct, but a lite version. It was 19 terrorists with sworn allegance to OBL, who committed the crimes on his behalf, as a way do hurt america, and to grant them an instant path to heaven through martyrdom.

The Bush Administration them made 300,000,000 Americans suspects the following day and have been attacking our freedoms ever since. Attacking countries based on lies. Planning to attack more based on fear.

BUSH et al were only in power for 9 months before 9/11. you wanna point fingers at a responsible admin, if there was one (which I dont think there was), Clintons group had more to do with the years leading up to the event than BUSh et al.

3,000 Americans were brutally murdered on 9/11 and there are still a lot of unanswered questions.

first part right, second part an overstatement.

Why not support a new investigation and put an end to all of this???????

If I though for a moment that any form of a truely independent investigation would shut you idiots up, I would be all for it, but the truth is, 10 investigations would do no good to shut you up, unless they were to find the USG guilty of 9/11, which will not happen.

What are the "skeptics" (I use that term very loosely when talking about people here) so afraid of?

Not you that is for sure.

The American people dumped more money into finding out the intimate details of a former President's sex life than finding out everything about 9/11. Nearly 20 times as much money.

Hey, how much do they pay the top sports stars, actors, etc...you gonna bitch about everything american my friend?

I don't understand how if you're side is right you can still oppose an investigation that would silence my side once and for all.

There is the key....it never would, so I dont support it.

Even before I became a member of this movement, back when I was a die hard Bush supporting registered Republican, I supported the family members who wanted a new investigation because they still had many unanswered questions.

I support the answering of any questions the family members have, that were question of their own thought processes, not doubts placed there with unfounded accustations, speculation and hearsay.

I still believe the United States Government should be held accountable to the people and if the people still have unanswered questions then they should be answered. I don't understand how anyone can claim to love America and everything it is about and disagree.

Here is a challenge: Post a list of the questions that you have that you want answered. I bet I can find an answer for them all from the official story. See you do not just want questions answered. You want certain answers for those questions, and only those answers will do.

Many people today confuse Nationalism with Patriotism. They couldn't possibly be more different from each other........

Please enlighten me master.

TAM

 

[GlennB]

I would have nominated this post, except for the lazy US spelling of "spirochaete" ---
"spirochaete. n. spirally-moving, disease-producing organism".
Sounds about right

Now now, you'll upset him...

I am sick of annoying, inappropriate use of the word "doublethink" that the brainless CTers spout around about people here are JREF. Not only do you not have a clue what it really means, but you then use it inappropriately to make yourself look intellectual.

As for supression of information, Noone here does any such thing. Find one, just ONE single istance where a JREF member INTENTIONALLY tried to have information supressed. Asking for a balanced broadcast on the facts and fiction wrt 9/11 is not supression moron.

What is so audacious about the comments made here. They are perhaps a little over zealous in their cheers for the removal of the mockumentary from Irish TV, but if you ask any of them, I am sure they would have no problem with the program airing, provided a counterview program was also aired.

You wouldnt know "intelligent" discussion if it hit you in your cerebrum you spirochete.

You are so far of base and yet you fail to realize it...so who is stupid? Most people who post here IMO have far above average IQ, unlike the posts I read over at LCF which remind me of a highschool gossip session. Any time you wanna compare yourself to myself or anyone here intellectually, the door is open my friend.

Once again, the support is for the right decision made by the station programmer, who after analyzing what would be needed to FAIRLY place a counterview program on next to it, decided to pull the program, rather than just show one side of things. Is your skull so thick that after being told this 5-6 times you still dont get it.

Care to share the source for your "brilliant" definition of Nationalism?

Yes they are all bad...all out to get you...all out for the money...the power...the NWO (cue evil laugh).

Beyond your lack of proof for the above allegations, if they were true, it would place the USA only on par with every other leading nation in the world...so dont claim the US to be unique in these areas, please.

A skeptic is someone who requires evidence to prove something true. We are skeptics of the CTs, as no evidence has been provided for them. We would be skeptical of the official story, and in some ways we are, if they didnt have such overwhelming evidence in their favor...which they do.

That is correct, but a lite version. It was 19 terrorists with sworn allegance to OBL, who committed the crimes on his behalf, as a way do hurt america, and to grant them an instant path to heaven through martyrdom.

BUSH et al were only in power for 9 months before 9/11. you wanna point fingers at a responsible admin, if there was one (which I dont think there was), Clintons group had more to do with the years leading up to the event than BUSh et al.

first part right, second part an overstatement.

If I though for a moment that any form of a truely independent investigation would shut you idiots up, I would be all for it, but the truth is, 10 investigations would do no good to shut you up, unless they were to find the USG guilty of 9/11, which will not happen.

Not you that is for sure.

Hey, how much do they pay the top sports stars, actors, etc...you gonna bitch about everything american my friend?

There is the key....it never would, so I dont support it.

I support the answering of any questions the family members have, that were question of their own thought processes, not doubts placed there with unfounded accustations, speculation and hearsay.

Here is a challenge: Post a list of the questions that you have that you want answered. I bet I can find an answer for them all from the official story. See you do not just want questions answered. You want certain answers for those questions, and only those answers will do.

Please enlighten me master.

TAM

 

[FramerDave]

DohP is upset. That's how I like to start my day.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=3028&st=0#entry11525698

Wow, it's incredible the amount of invective and filthy language spewed by those people when they don't get their way. Dylan must be so proud to have them on his side.

 

[TC329]

Really! Perhaps you'd like to take up the Mark Roberts Challenge?

Name one material claim that Loose Change gets right.

AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon.

Now debunk the fdr data obtained from the NTSB through a FOIA.

 

[T.A.M.]

GlennB:

Thanks for the nomination consideration (what a great rhyme).

WRT to PDoh:

SO is he a truther again, or just simply disgruntled with everyone?

TAM

 

[R.Mackey]

AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon.

Now debunk the fdr data obtained from the NTSB through a FOIA.

Sure.

That FDR data was taken off of an FDR found in airplane wreckage at the Pentagon.

We have looked at the data, it is consistent with the official story. Imprimus, I refer you to this excellent discussion by poster Anti-sophist.

Back to you.

 

[CHF]

Absolutely brilliant. The Irish simply needed it pointed out to them was LC is a load of utter crap.

Well done JREFers!

 

[jhunter1163]

I would have nominated this post, except for the lazy US spelling of "spirochaete" ---
"spirochaete. n. spirally-moving, disease-producing organism".
Sounds about right

I, on the other hand, am in the US and harbor no such qualms.

TAM's post is duly nominated.

 

[Arus808]

AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon.

false

Now debunk the fdr data obtained from the NTSB through a FOIA.

Why would we need to debunk something that is true? Do you know what debunk means?

 

[Kiwiwriter]

A contradiction, though...

Is it your claim that the official version of the 9/11 story hasn't received a fair amount of radio and tv time to promote it's version of the events?

Over the last 5 years, the official version of the events hasn't received any attention in the media or television.

This was the time to offer the opposing view point. The mainstream one has been repeated for years and years and years without question on tv, radio, and anywhere else it can be.

Yet at the same time you CTers spout that the vast majority of the American people don't believe the "Official Story," and believe the rubbish you deliver. According to you guys, the whole world is on your side, except for the misguided government shills, and the evil conspirators who manage to control everything. If that's the case, those conspirators aren't doing a very good job, are they?

Maybe it's time the truth got some "equal time."

 

[jhunter1163]

Off topic, but I thought Stateofgrace was a man. TC refers to SoG as "girl" several times, and I saw no corrections. Can I really be so dense? Don't answer that....

 

[DarkMagician]

AA77 didn't hit the Pentagon.

So all that wreckage was planted with the press breathing down the people's backs? And no one of the press thought "Well, those people are just dragging out wreckage. If I get it on tape, I'll be the next Edward R. Murrow."?

If LC got something right, that isn't it.

 

[jon]

Gravy, looks like PDoh is paying you a compliment (kind-of)

Yeah, Roberts is too dedicated and too good to just be a "concerned citizen"

He will come a cropper, time will tell.

He cant stop the pursuit of truth

Clearly, checking facts makes you a gubment agent. I guess that'd explain the normal level of 'truth' debate - I mean, you wouldn't want to be called an agent.

PDoh's got a new sig, as well (edited for a family board):

"C*ck just tastes so good I can't resist." - mrfreeze

Wow, schoolyard insults. Anyway, if PDoh believes 'mrfreeze' is an apologist for mass murder, why would 'mrfreeze' giving a few BJs make him a worse person...

 

[CHF]

Yes it is factual information, girl. It is truth and now someone here has had it removed from Irish television in order to supress information they don't want people to be exposed to.

Wonderful! So does that mean you can direct me to an engineering report backing up LC's claims?