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We have been gored by Gore!

boyntonstu

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We have been gored by Gore!

Strange case of moving weather posts and a scientist under siege
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/01/dispute-weather-fraud

…..It is well-known that the concrete, bricks and asphalt of urban areas absorb more heat than the countryside. They result in cities being warmer than the countryside, especially at night.

So the question is whether rising mercury is simply a result of thermometers once in the countryside gradually finding themselves in expanding urban areas…..

How much trust can we have in Science and Politics when they skew data to affect policy?

Follow the money, follow the money.
 
yeah Gore lied, so lets keep going on with the polution of our planet.


folow the money? as if we really are doing ANYTHING significant against climate change..... Copenhagen saved our climate so much.... not !
 
boyntonstu said:
We have been gored by Gore!
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I'm sorry, but how does Al Gore play into this? He isn't even mentioned in your article.


boyntonstu said:
…..It is well-known that the concrete, bricks and asphalt of urban areas absorb more heat than the countryside. They result in cities being warmer than the countryside, especially at night.

So the question is whether rising mercury is simply a result of thermometers once in the countryside gradually finding themselves in expanding urban areas…..
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'cause stupid scientists wouldn't think to control for that?

I direct your attention to this.

(we almost need that as an emoticon.)


boyntonstu said:
How much trust can we have in Science and Politics when they skew data to affect policy?
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Probably more trust than we can have in Pseudo-Science and Politics when the spew nonsense to affect policy.
 
boyntonstu said:
So the question is whether rising mercury is simply a result of thermometers once in the countryside gradually finding themselves in expanding urban areas…..
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this is an issue I have too thought about. but then I was told that scientists are not stupid people, and adjust temperature readings to factor in heat-island effect.

what evidence do you have that they are not factoring in the concrete, asphalt, and brick heat island effect?
 
Yeah…

If you look at ocean areas you still see the same trend, and it’s a little tough for urbanization to have any effect there. You can also look at just rural sites and see the exact same thing. The final nail in the coffin for this little conspiracy theory is that the effects of urbanization have been removed from temperature data for a long time.
 
Not that your statements to this effect were any more true pre Climategate, but today they are quite laughable.
 
Upchurch said:
'cause stupid scientists wouldn't think to control for that?

I direct your attention to this.
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The problem isn't that they didn't think to control...the problem is that they won't release the process used to manipulate the data, or the raw data itself, or both.
 
lomiller said:
If you look at ocean areas you still see the same trend, and it’s a little tough for urbanization to have any effect there.
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Yeah.. well... er... did the scientist think maybe it's Atlantis? Stupid mermaids and their stupid urbanization programs...
 
marksman said:
Yeah.. well... er... did the scientist think maybe it's Atlantis? Stupid mermaids and their stupid urbanization programs...
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Really the living in the mermaid inner cities is much more sustainable than most other forms of living. It's the mermaid sub-urban sprawl you have to worry about. :D
 
mhaze said:
Not that your statements to this effect were any more true pre Climategate, but today they are quite laughable.
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Because... why?

"Climategate" was a legitimate controversy and not a smear-job based on out-of-context statements?

I refer you to my above link.
 
I'd like to point out that the measured change of the CO2 content of seawater is not a myth.

That facet of climate change, whatever you wish to discuss in re readings on thermometers, is an indicator that we need greater CO2 absorption, and less CO2 production, since the capacity of the oceans to absorb is finite.

Plant more trees. And a few more, while you are at it.

DR
 
boyntonstu said:
We have been gored by Gore!
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Like Upchurch says, Gore isn't even mentioned in your article. Sheesh.

It is well-known that the concrete, bricks and asphalt of urban areas absorb more heat than the countryside. They result in cities being warmer than the countryside, especially at night.
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The notion of urban heat islands as an explanation for GW is so 1999 (and thoroughly debunked).

So the question is whether rising mercury is simply a result of thermometers once in the countryside gradually finding themselves in expanding urban areas
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Someone send a memo to the glaciers, the permafrost and the biota -- tell them to chill out.

How much trust can we have in Science and Politics when they skew data to affect policy?
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Pseudo-skeptical arm waving.

Follow the money, follow the money.
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Pseudo-skeptical arm waving.
 
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varwoche said:
Like Upchurch says, Gore isn't even mentioned in your article. Sheesh.
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That doesn’t matter, all right thinking libertarians know Gore is running a massive global conspiracy of scientists to pick on the little oil companies and make megabucks form themselves!!!!
 
DC said:
yeah Gore lied, so lets keep going on with the polution of our planet.
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There are plenty of good reasons to reduce pollution. "Because it's pollution", for example, is an easy, obvious, and scientifically settled reason. Al Gore could have gone with that, and nobody would have complained (though they might have expected him to set a good example in not polluting).
 
lomiller said:
Other then in the peer reviewed literature where they spell it out in great detail that is…
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You're right, I think; I misremembered. East Anglia threw out just the raw data, so now nobody (even them) can check their calculations. Perfect!

UpChurch said:
What, would you say, is being suggested that isn't scientifically settled?
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Anthropogenic Global Warming. Mostly the hockey stick. Oh, and the realization that in light of the scientific gyrations over our nicely chilled present winter season, AGW can now explain anything.
 
Yes, winter proves that there is no global warming. You're an idiot.

Also, the hockey stick graph has been confirmed over, and over, and over, and over...
 
Sporanox said:
You're right, I think; I misremembered. East Anglia threw out just the raw data, so now nobody (even them) can check their calculations. Perfect!
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Unless you collect that raw data again. But climate deniers are obviously too lazy for that, because they aren't interested in conducting actual science.
 
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