We have been gored by Gore!

[Sporanox]

A subsidy is a form of externality…

The reason subsidies are problematic is because they are externalities…

Well, the fact that energy industries are not yet burdened by cap-n-trade imposed by the government...is not a subsidy.

 

[varwoche]

Ah, we shouldn't consider little things like the temperature anymore. You are beyond parody.

How can you seriously claim that local weather has any* bearing on global climate or CO2 impact on same? If I called this a grade school mistake it might be insulting to grade-schoolers. And I'm beyond parody?

Incidentally and of equally nil merit, our weather here in the Pacific NW has been uncommonly warm (due to el niño).
January was warmest on record for Seattle area

Now, I try not to be too resentful of the rich - their money is theirs to spend - but the effort to accommodate every aspect of their extravagant lifestyles in the "green" campaign is not beneficial to the environment on the whole and suggests something dishonest about the cause. It suggests that anti-AGW measures are feel-good aloe vera substituted for tangible help to the environment.

Holy cow! When you assign weight to this sort of ludicrous metadata, it's no wonder you're so confused.

Note to self: add rich people to epitome of pseudo-skepticism list

* For pseudo-skeptics keen parsers, any is shorthand for anything more than an infinitesimal...

 

[Sporanox]

How can you seriously claim that local weather has any* bearing on global climate or CO2 impact on same? If I called this a grade school mistake it might be insulting to grade-schoolers. And I'm beyond parody?

Incidentally and of equally nil merit, our weather here in the Pacific NW has been uncommonly warm (due to el niño).
January was warmest on record for Seattle area

Here's the link again since you missed it..

Holy cow! When you assign weight to this sort of ludicrous metadata, it's no wonder you're so confused.

Note to self: add rich people to epitome of pseudo-skepticism list

* For pseudo-skeptics keen parsers, any is shorthand for anything more than an infinitesimal...

Exactly what are you talking about here? I never said I didn't believe in AGW because of the apparent insincerity of its advocates; I said I was uncomfortable with the cause.

 

[varwoche]

Here's the link again since you missed it..

No sale.

There's nothing in this article having to do with local weather, much less tying it to agw one way or another.

But even if I'm wrong, naked links are non-communicative. Please quote the relevant bits.

I never said I didn't believe in AGW because of the apparent insincerity of its advocates; I said I was uncomfortable with the cause.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[Sporanox]

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in
summer by 2013.

But the effects are not confined to the Northern Hemisphere. Prof Anastasios Tsonis, head of the University of Wisconsin Atmospheric Sciences Group, has recently shown that these MDOs move together in a synchronised way across the globe, abruptly flipping the world’s climate from a ‘warm mode’ to a ‘cold mode’ and back again in 20 to 30-year cycles.

'They amount to massive rearrangements in the dominant patterns of the weather,’ he said yesterday, ‘and their shifts explain all the major changes in world temperatures during the 20th and 21st Centuries.
'We have such a change now and can therefore expect 20 or 30 years of cooler temperatures.’

Like Prof Latif, Prof Tsonis is not a climate change ‘denier’. There is, he said, a measure of additional ‘background’ warming due to human activity and greenhouse gases that runs across the MDO cycles.

But he added: ‘I do not believe in catastrophe theories. Man-made warming is balanced by the natural cycles, and I do not trust the computer models which state that if CO2 reaches a particular level then temperatures and sea levels will rise by a given amount.

As you can see, there is reason to believe that this will not be an isolated phenomenon. Those are the takeaway quotes, of course; the summaries of the science involved are also in the article.

As a result, the jetstream – the high-altitude wind that circles the globe from west to east and normally pushes a series of wet but mild Atlantic lows across Britain – is currently running not over the English Channel but the Strait of Gibraltar.

However, according to Prof Latif and his colleagues, this in turn relates to much longer-term shifts – what are known as the Pacific and Atlantic ‘multi-decadal oscillations’ (MDOs).

 

[Captain.Sassy]

…..It is well-known that the concrete, bricks and asphalt of urban areas absorb more heat than the countryside. They result in cities being warmer than the countryside, especially at night.

ackshilly I think you've got it backwards.

I read a paper a while ago by some British scientist who looked at the temperature anomaly over a decade or so using only nighttime measurements, and the same anomaly using only daytime measurements. The idea was that at night (IIRC) the urban heat island effect (UHIE) was actually much less than during the daytime to non-existant. Anyways, at the end of the story it turned out that the temperature anomaly trends were the same either in the daytime or in the nighttime ergo no UHIE (NUHIE).

I know I know 'some paper I read a while ago' is a pretty dry fig leaf in this neck of the net, so
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=05137510

"In the daytime, urban heat island intensity was stronger than that at night."

Course I might have this backwards. I didn't read the whole paper just the first two paragraphs (of this latest one) so maybe at the end they go 'And it turns out everything we knew about UHIE (EWKAUHIE) was wrong.

Anyways, I like the rest of your analysis. Follow the money, follow the money. (FTMFTM). Not bad.