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We Got Coal For Christmas Thanks To Democrats

From the OP link:

...We want more time, more thought, more debate, and all we got is this lousy bill rushed to us like some Tickle Me Elmo we never wanted....
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Hi-effing-larious. More time? This thing has been cooking for DECADES. What is more time going to produce? More thought? Like the Republican proposal containing NO proposals to solve the problem and NO budget. More debate? Really? This debate was the second-longest in Senate history. The Elephant's idea of debate was requiring bills hundreds of pages long be read aloud.

Who's this "we" I bolded. The American people are overwhelming in favor of health care reform. Polls may show they (like me) think the current bill is a stinker but that does not erase the overall intent.

Sheesh, BAC, I hope Santa takes away your narrow filter that only lets in effluent from the Village.

Oops, forgot: :D
 
Oh BAC, leave it to you to take a joyous holiday and turn it into a anti-democrat rant.

I wonder why the far right is so hate filled.
 
One hardly needs to think the democrats are all on some evil conspiracy to be against the bill. It seems a "road to hell paved with good intentions" bill -- wanting health care for all, which is certainly noble, but not necessarily getting much more than a lot of expenses for worse service, the way the bill is structured.
 
Whats wrong with coal anyway? In Australia we have rather a lot of it....its the clean green fuel of the future.

I have a coal fired mobile phone....
 
Skeptic said:
One hardly needs to think the democrats are all on some evil conspiracy to be against the bill. It seems a "road to hell paved with good intentions" bill -- wanting health care for all, which is certainly noble, but not necessarily getting much more than a lot of expenses for worse service, the way the bill is structured.
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This debate reminds me of the America First movement before the US entered WWII. Everybody had a general idea, "we don't want to get into war", but nobody could agree on how to do that. They did, however, insist that nothing be done until they had come up with something. The decision was taken out of their hands by events.
 
So, some right-wing nutjob posted some fact-free ravings.

So of course BAC quoted him --- because BAC has had his ass so thoroughly kicked every time he's brought up any question about this bill that relates to facts in any way that he is now afraid to do so.

Well, BAC, I find the fact-free ravings of Robert Costa singularly unconvincing.

And there is one question that keeps running through my mind. This bill is over two thousand pages long. Now, even if it was written with the very best of intentions, surely there must be something wrong with it? Something that conservatives could point out? But no, there's nothing.

Ever since health reform first came under consideration, the conservative opposition to it has involved screaming stupid hysterical nonsense about "death panels" and suchlike lies, and ever since then their opposition to the bill has been based on reciting stupid hysterical lies.

But surely there must be at least one thing that is genuinely wrong with a bill 2000 pages long? But conservatives can't think of it. Instead of benefiting their country by providing a rational critique, they pander to the dittoheads by telling dumb lies.

What use are they?
 
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Can't blame him.

By the way, there was a terrorist attack. A tactical nuke exploded on capitol hill, killing everybody in the Senate and the House.

Luckily, there were no losses.
 
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Skeptic said:
One hardly needs to think the democrats are all on some evil conspiracy to be against the bill. It seems a "road to hell paved with good intentions" bill -- wanting health care for all, which is certainly noble, but not necessarily getting much more than a lot of expenses for worse service, the way the bill is structured.
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What's pissing me off is that the conservative wings of the republican party aren't doing much to help with this crap piece of a bill either. The democrats in congress seem hell bent on pushing "something" through; even if they have to drop their priorities to do it and blast the debt ceiling into the mesosphere. I'm not sure which one kills me more at this point.

Obama has at least his first four years to pound this out and build a solid reform package; he had tons of political capital and popularity at his disposal to keep the bill alive as long as he needed too. The real coal we get for christmas isn't in itself the kind of healthcare reform we're getting; it's the ****y quality that we get for the rushed partisan product. And some people wonder why congress's approval ratings are still abyssmal.
 
Relax, it's only going to cost a trillion dollars, it should be payed off by the time of your great-great grandchildren, unless they come up with some more bloated spending... oh wait :D
 
Are we still going around the stupid dept claim? Want the link to the CBO report?
 
peptoabysmal said:
Relax, it's only going to cost a trillion dollars, it should be payed off by the time of your great-great grandchildren, unless they come up with some more bloated spending... oh wait :D
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Right. Do nothing is a GREAT answer as the USA drowns in debt, paying far, far more for health care while getting poorer outcomes than every other developed country.

The right did absolutely nothing about this problem for the past 8 years. The 8 years prior to that Clinton was hamstrung partly from his own inept handling of health care but mostly from right-wing attacks. Harry and Louise were such a cute couple.

Now, they have offered nothing positive and have explicitly admitted all they are trying to do is cause failure.

When they have something to bring to the table, fine. Till then, kwitcherbitchen.
 
tyr_13 said:
Are we still going around the stupid dept claim? Want the link to the CBO report?
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Go ahead; and while you're at it be sure to show your readers what the implications of Baucus's savings are:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...eficits_in_baucus_health_care_plan_98410.html

According to CBO, the various tax increases and spending reductions elsewhere in the plan fully offset this increase.

That's on paper. In real life, it won't happen.

A big hunk of the offset, $53 billion, is projected to come from the 35 percent tax Baucus proposes on high-value health insurance plans. Such a tax, however, will completely change the incentives regarding such plans.

Right now, employer-provided health care benefits are deductible to the business and not taxable as income to the individual. So, the incentive is to move as much of compensation into them as possible.
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in 10 years, when 20 million more Americans have health insurance than do today, I am gonna wipe this argument all over the faces of my Republican friends.
 
tyr_13 said:
Are we still going around the stupid dept claim? Want the link to the CBO report?
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I've seen it. They primarily point to Medicare and Medicaid, the two programs already mismanaged, as being the reason the Federal budget is on an unsustainable path. Solution? Oh I know! Give them another program to mismanage!
 
SezMe said:
Right. Do nothing is a GREAT answer as the USA drowns in debt, paying far, far more for health care while getting poorer outcomes than every other developed country.
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I'm tired of the answer that doing the wrong thing is better than doing nothing.

The right did absolutely nothing about this problem for the past 8 years. The 8 years prior to that Clinton was hamstrung partly from his own inept handling of health care but mostly from right-wing attacks. Harry and Louise were such a cute couple.

Now, they have offered nothing positive and have explicitly admitted all they are trying to do is cause failure.

When they have something to bring to the table, fine. Till then, kwitcherbitchen.
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I guess you have forgotten that Bush did propose a Medicare reform? Maybe it wasn't the best solution, but your philosophy is that doing anything is better than doing nothing, right?
 
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