Was Tiller's Murder a Staged, State-Sponsored Terror Attack?

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Was Tiller's Murder a Staged, State-Sponsored Terror Attack?

There's a good chance that this shooting was done by an agent provocateur, in an attempt to advance the pro-abortion and anti-gun movement.

* No evidence has been presented that Roeder did the shooting.

* Roeder was 170 miles away when arrested.

* The police are continually telling us that Roeder is linked to militant anti-abortion groups, but at the same time tell us he acted alone, before the investigation has even started.

* Roeder has never been a member, volunteer or contributor to Operation Rescue.

* Roeder posted some comments on the Operation Rescue forum that are peaceful in nature.

* Roeder has no history of violence. Criminologists can tell you that it is very rare for non-violent people to suddenly become violent after the age of 50.

* Roeder opposed abortion, which is his right to believe.

* Roeder was pro-life, which contradicts the notion that he would kill someone.

* Roeder is being called a "lone nut", just like Lee Harvey Oswald and many other scapegoats of history.

* They keep telling us Roeder has a criminal record, even though the appeals court threw out his conviction because of government misconduct.

* The crime Roeder was accused of did not involve any initiation of force against another person, it was a regulatory technicality.

* Roeder's vindictive & disgruntled ex-wife is being quoted in the news.

* No eyewitnesses saw Roeder at the crime scene.

* They did not get the license plate of the vehicle that left the scene, which makes his arrest suspicious and the ID of him unreliable.

* Roeder is a political activist. Shooting an abortion doctor does not benefit his cause, it benefits the cause of his political opponents.

* If Roeder is really crazy, why has he not spoken to the media? If Roeder is not crazy, then this entire case makes no sense at all.

* Roeder is a political activist who has the nation's attention. Why has he not talked to the media? Why does the news only report one side of the story?

* Where is the smoking gun?

Not all pro-life people support the death penalty. What Roeder's views on the death penalty are, is unknown.

Also, most people who favor the death penalty favor it only for murder, usually first degree murder.

Being in favor of the death penalty for murder is the exact opposite of being in favor of murdering people, which is what someone did to Tiller.

It is obvious from the media coverage that the "authorities" are attempting to convict Roeder in the media. Usually when this is done, they trumpet the strongest evidence. In this case, no real evidence has been trumpeted, possibly because the evidence has not been manufactured yet.

Roeder is presumed innocent unless proven guilty.

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Beware 'Lone Nut' Theory in Tiller's Murder

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Beware the 'Lone Nut' Theory


Few major antiabortion crimes are carried out by lone nuts.

In fact, the known perpetrators have historically been neither nuts nor alone. The crimes are generally well planned and involve a number of people who provide varying degrees of support, before and after the fact, witting or unwitting.

Tiller was the victim of a previous assassination attempt, in which he was wounded in both arms. His assailant was the then Oregon-based Rachelle "Shelly" Shannon, a longtime antiabortion militant who had previously protested at Tiller's clinic and knew the layout.

In the wake of her arrest, the feds dug up from her backyard the first real evidence of the existence of the underground Army of God, in the form of the "Army of God Manual," which detailed how to engage in attacks on clinics and staff.

Shannon had traveled the west in a remarkable crime spree, squirting butyric acid into clinics (which produces a horrifying, unbearable stench) and committing a series of arsons. Among her un-indicted co-conspirators was a couple who provided a safe house on her journeys--as well as gas cans later used in the arsons.

Prosecutors do not always have enough evidence to prove that such people are witting participants in the crimes. But this is no surprise. We are familiar with such underground networks from real and fictional stories of criminal gangs and covert intelligence operations. People understand that information is often on a need-to--know basis and often the less one knows, the better for everyone.

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http://www.womensenews.org/article.cfm/dyn/aid/4030/context/archive
 
The fact that people use horrible crimes to advance their political agenda isn't a conspiracy. Its lots of horrible things... a conspiracy it is not. On issues like this where both sides are fanatically passionate for their cause, they are ruthless is exploiting anything they can to win a "point" against the opposition.
 
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The fact that people use horrible crimes to advance their political agenda isn't a conspiracy. Its lots of horrible things... a conspiracy it is not.

Roeder's political agenda has been greatly harmed by Tiller's murder, so that rules out Roeder as a suspect. It must have been done by a militant pro-abortion activist.
 
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Roeder's political agenda has been greatly harmed by Tiller's murder, so that rules out Tiller as a suspect. It must have been done by a militant pro-abortion activist.

You are kidding, right?
 
No.

ETA: This was in response to the OP, not anyone else.
 
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Roeder's political agenda has been greatly harmed by Tiller's murder, so that rules out Tiller as a suspect. It must have been done by a militant pro-abortion activist.

No, it doesn't, and this kind of logic is astoundingly devoid of facts or reason.

Fanatics do horrible things because they are fanatics. They don't think about the long term consequences of their actions, they just do them.

The abortion debate is so heated that people on either side would exploit this and they will exploit anything in order to hurt the other side. If your theory was true then we'd see a secret pro-life agent mail bombing a pro-life non-profit in order to spin it as a sign that pro-choicers are made up of domestic terrorists.

That some in the pro-choice crowd has chosen to exploit Dr. Tiller's terrible death in order to score political points against the pro-life crowd by using the hasty generalization fallacy to turn the opposition into one giant front for domestic terrorism is lamentable...but YET AGAIN, a conspiracy it is not.
 
No, it doesn't, and this kind of logic is astoundingly devoid of facts or reason.

Fanatics do horrible things because they are fanatics. They don't think about the long term consequences of their actions, they just do them.

The abortion debate is so heated that people on either side would exploit this and they will exploit anything in order to hurt the other side. If your theory was true then we'd see a secret pro-life agent mail bombing a pro-life non-profit in order to spin it as a sign that pro-choicers are made up of domestic terrorists.

That some in the pro-choice crowd has chosen to exploit Dr. Tiller's terrible death in order to score political points against the pro-life crowd by using the hasty generalization fallacy to turn the opposition into one giant front for domestic terrorism is lamentable...but YET AGAIN, a conspiracy it is not.

What's your evidence that Roeder was a fanatic? He has a clean record and no history of violence.
 
Roeder's political agenda has been greatly harmed by Tiller's murder, so that rules out Tiller as a suspect. It must have been done by a militant pro-abortion activist.
I agree that Tiller is pretty much ruled out as a suspect , especially given that he is the victim...

I don't see how you can rule out Roeder, though - assuming , of course, that the evidence points to him.

Your conspiracy theory has less to support it than does the 3:00am stripper at the Airport Lounge...
 

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I agree that Tiller is pretty much ruled out as a suspect , especially given that he is the victim...

I don't see how you can rule out Roeder, though - assuming , of course, that the evidence points to him.

Your conspiracy theory has less to support it than does the 3:00am stripper at the Airport Lounge...

What's your evidence that Roeder did it?
 
What's your evidence that Roeder was a fanatic? He has a clean record and no history of violence.

Murdering someone for performing abortions is my evidence for him being a fanatic.

Your mistaken assumption is that fanatics somehow must have a criminal record and history of violence. The guy was and is a nutcase, and you can act like a perfectly normal person while being otherwise insane.

Yet again, lets review:

The fact that some pro-choice groups have decided to exploit this poor man's death in order to score political points is indeed very sad, but it is NOT a conspiracy. Its just simple, ruthless politics.
 
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What's your evidence that Roeder did it?
I have none. I have not accused him. I have merely suggested that:

1. Tiller did not do it (seeing as he is dead and all), and,
2. I see no reason to rule out Roeder as a suspect (which you seem to be attempting), and,
3. Your conspiracy theory could use a little underwire support.

'Kay?
 

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