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Was this really necessary?

(Warning- VERY biased rant ahead. All the athiests here are free to attack me, and call me a fool, etc. etc. etc. IDGAF. )

Why the **** do Athiests think that this is inciting some type of religion? Many different religions believe in some type of afterlife.

Speaking from personal experience, most firefighters believe in some religion or another. In NYC, it's mostly Catholic, with a few other religions.

Now, this sign is honoring 7 firefighters who gave the ****** lives to save others.

How about you pick some other battle? (Translation- **** off. )

(I am retired FDNY, who survived 9/11, and knew all of these guys personally. If you want to fight for something, stop using paper and coin money in the USA. It has the word God on it. Go fight that. Leave the ****** sign alone FFS. It's honoring 7 heros who gave their life "So that others may live. )

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triforcharity said:
(Warning- VERY biased rant ahead. All the athiests here are free to attack me, and call me a fool, etc. etc. etc. IDGAF. )

Why the **** do Athiests think that this is inciting some type of religion? Many different religions believe in some type of afterlife.

Speaking from personal experience, most firefighters believe in some religion or another. In NYC, it's mostly Catholic, with a few other religions.

Now, this sign is honoring 7 firefighters who gave the ****** lives to save others.

How about you pick some other battle? (Translation- **** off. )

(I am retired FDNY, who survived 9/11, and knew all of these guys personally. If you want to fight for something, stop using paper and coin money in the USA. It has the word God on it. Go fight that. Leave the ****** sign alone FFS. It's honoring 7 heros who gave their life "So that others may live. )

(End Rant)
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Nonsense.
 
Checkmite said:
Do you next propose to change the City of San Antonio's name to something less blatantly Catholicism-endorsing?
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Los Angeles, Las Cruces, Saint Louis, Saint Joseph, St. Paul....................


I do not like Seven in Heaven Way because it sounds a touch silly to me - but unless one or more were Atheists or followers of a religion that has no heaven equivalent, then I can handle it. (Seven Heroes Way is better to my "ear" for such, but I don't live there).
 
Checkmite said:
That's the ticket. If this were a case of one of the guys being an atheist and everyone's ignoring the fact and declaring that he was in heaven, I could see the family suing. But it's not like that. These particular gentlemen have been colloquially known as the "Seven in Heaven" apparently for nearly a decade. I mean, if I found out my kid had been roped into a game of "Seven Minutes in Heaven" at a sleepover, I wouldn't be suing the parents of the other children for attempting to force a religious belief on my kid.
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This (the decade part) also is a fair reason to use it.....
 
triforcharity said:
Why the **** do Athiests think that this is inciting some type of religion? Many different religions believe in some type of afterlife.
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For crying out loud, learn how to read. Most of the atheists that have posted in this thread agree with you. However, I do have something to show you. Read the parts of your post that I bolded. See anything? :p


I am retired FDNY, who survived 9/11, and knew all of these guys personally.
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Well, wouldn't they be ever so proud of you for this piece of doggerel?! How did you put it? IDGAF? Is that it? Stay classy, guy! You've really shown us atheists who agree with you that you disagree with us. What a guy! :rolleyes:
 
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Alt+F4 said:
After this battle the atheists should sue to force Hell's Kitchen to change it's name to "Previously Slummy Kitchen". Then off to Corpus Christi!

After the sign goes up I will take some of my atheist friends to Brooklyn where I will ask them to look at the sign. I'll report back on how many of them immediately began to belive in heaven.
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triforcharity said:
(Warning- VERY biased rant ahead. All the athiests here are free to attack me, and call me a fool, etc. etc. etc. IDGAF. )

Why the **** do Athiests think that this is inciting some type of religion? Many different religions believe in some type of afterlife.

Speaking from personal experience, most firefighters believe in some religion or another. In NYC, it's mostly Catholic, with a few other religions.

Now, this sign is honoring 7 firefighters who gave the ****** lives to save others.

How about you pick some other battle? (Translation- **** off. )

(I am retired FDNY, who survived 9/11, and knew all of these guys personally. If you want to fight for something, stop using paper and coin money in the USA. It has the word God on it. Go fight that. Leave the ****** sign alone FFS. It's honoring 7 heros who gave their life "So that others may live. )

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Great post.
 
I agree with their view, but not their action. That said, as they have already begun the process, I'm rooting for them.

There are many ways to commemorate someone in a way that doesn't implicitly endorse any religious idea at all. The fact that the officials went with one that does would seem to indicate that they're at least oblivious to the implication. This is what Dawkins might call a consciousness-raising move, to remind everyone that it's not a given that every person believes in a divine judgment.
 
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If the families of the fire fighters initiated the street name, or it was clear these were all god believing fire fighters, then I say let it go, it's a memorial to people that gave their lives trying to save others.

If this was initiated by a group of proselytizers who thought they would inject their beliefs into the memorial, I say the lawsuit is probably justified.

This hints at it being the latter:
“They are heroes and should be rewarded in a place like heaven,” said CB6 member Tom Miskel.
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Slimething said:
These guys need to learn how to pick their battles. Heaven is a broad concept that has been used in non-religious ways for some time now. Trivial and mean-spirited.
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I agree. Is Los Angeles going to get a name change because it refers to angels?
 
triforcharity said:
(Warning- VERY biased rant ahead. All the athiests here are free to attack me, and call me a fool, etc. etc. etc. IDGAF. )

Why the **** do Athiests think that this is inciting some type of religion? Many different religions believe in some type of afterlife.

Speaking from personal experience, most firefighters believe in some religion or another. In NYC, it's mostly Catholic, with a few other religions.

Now, this sign is honoring 7 firefighters who gave the ****** lives to save others.

How about you pick some other battle? (Translation- **** off. )

(I am retired FDNY, who survived 9/11, and knew all of these guys personally. If you want to fight for something, stop using paper and coin money in the USA. It has the word God on it. Go fight that. Leave the ****** sign alone FFS. It's honoring 7 heros who gave their life "So that others may live. )

(End Rant)
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i don't know. it sounds more like honoring religion and its myths.
seven streets named with the names of those seven firefighters would be honoring them.
 
fuelair said:
I do not like Seven in Heaven Way because it sounds a touch silly to me - but unless one or more were Atheists or followers of a religion that has no heaven equivalent, then I can handle it. (Seven Heroes Way is better to my "ear" for such, but I don't live there).
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I'll agree that it sounds a tad silly, and Seven Heroes Way just sounds a little more smooth. But, I think it was the family members who choose the name. If they like it, cool.
 
Slimething said:
For crying out loud, learn how to read.
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I know how to read. Thank you.


Slimething said:
Most of the atheists that have posted in this thread agree with you. However, I do have something to show you. Read the parts of your post that I bolded. See anything? :p
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Notice I didn't address any of the athiests in this thread? How's that go? "For crying out loud, learn how to read?

Yes, I should have worded that differently. Many people believe in an afterlife simmilar to heaven, and are not religious in the least bit. My bad.


Slimething said:
Well, wouldn't they be ever so proud of you for this piece of doggerel?!
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Most firefighters with FDNY would agree with my post. Most would even tell an athiest where to go, and where to stick it, and thie post would have about 10xs as many astericks as mine did.


Slimething said:
How did you put it? IDGAF? Is that it? Stay classy, guy!
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I will, thank you.

Slimething said:
You've really shown us atheists who agree with you that you disagree with us. What a guy! :rolleyes:
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Notice I didn't address ANYONE in this thread? Yeah, learn how to read guy.
 
leftysergeant said:
Waste of time and resources, and a bit sociopathic.

Nothing about the name change requires any change in belief systems.

Your freedom from religion depends on others being free to express their own religious beliefs.
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Only if they do it on their own financial burden, and not using the government finance, facilities and resource.
 
triforcharity said:
Who says you have to be "religious" to believe in a heaven?
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Indeed , you can be a woo-spirirtualist atheist and still believe in an afterlife. But usually they would not qualify it as "heaven" as name , because of the religious connotation and particularly the Christian myths.

That said i tend to agree there were better target, but let us get real : in a country predominately Christian, if you want ask the law on separation of state and church is respected, you *WILL* be seen as dicks. No matter what.
 
triforcharity said:
I know how to read. Thank you.




Notice I didn't address any of the athiests in this thread? How's that go? "For crying out loud, learn how to read?

Yes, I should have worded that differently. Many people believe in an afterlife simmilar to heaven, and are not religious in the least bit. My bad.




Most firefighters with FDNY would agree with my post. Most would even tell an athiest where to go, and where to stick it, and thie post would have about 10xs as many astericks as mine did.




I will, thank you.



Notice I didn't address ANYONE in this thread? Yeah, learn how to read guy.
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If you didn't address anyone in the thread, then why did you post?
 
3point14 said:
If you didn't address anyone in the thread, then why did you post?
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Msichievously, I was going to scroll back and see if anyone in the thread had been addressed, but I take my hat off to you, sir/madam.

triforcharity said:
Most firefighters with FDNY would agree with my post. Most would even tell an athiest where to go, and where to stick it, and thie post would have about 10xs as many astericks as mine did.
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Ah, argumentum ad populum, but not just any aap, this one has a dash of appeal to authority and the ultimate convincer, argumentum ad asteriskum.

How do the families and colleagues of all those other firefighters who died in the course of duty (but during less newsworthy incidents) feel about their sacrifices being officially ignored?
 
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