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was OKC an inside job?

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That's the best shot I could get.

Another interesting anomaly - his earplug case is buttoned to his central shirt buttons. The Army puts ours on the left breast pocket.
 
I have to guess I'm looking at the wrong video, since that's a SPC rank on his hat, and McVeigh was a sergeant. Sorry for the mix-up - REV, what post number has the home video you mentioned? Thanks.
 
Revolutionary91: In light of the fact that the military have been shown (as per the evidence now provided) to rent vehicles, has your opinion of the photograph of the Ryder truck in the military base changed at all?
 
You should look at similar bombings such as the manchester arndale centre bombing by the IRA in 1996.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/..._explode?size=16x9&bgc=C0C0C0&nbram=1&bbram=1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/image_galleries/150606_manchester_bomb_gallery.shtml?9

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/image_galleries/150606_manchester_bomb_gallery.shtml?10

Windows were shattered half a mile away, however nobody was killed, the IRA had issued a coded warning and police were able to work out the approximate location of the bomb.
 
Gravy said:
The bomb blast didn't level half the building. It leveled one column, which led to progressive collapse of the floors above. About 80% of the victims died from that collapse, not from the blast effects.

See links to technical papers here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2380904&postcount=4

There is no evidence of any kind of "inside job."
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Oh, no, not ANOTHER "progressive collapse." That's so sloppy. When will these plotters ever learn?

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Why would it be in a military base? I know there were defence cuts but I'm sure soldiers have their own trucks.
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I can think of at least two reasons for a rental truck being on military installation, besides its having been rented by the military (which also happens):

1. Delivery to the installation by a vendor. ETA: which has already been mentioned.

2. Personnel moving into new quarters and renting a truck or van for their possessions.

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I know McVeigh admitted it. His accomplice has also said recently that he was provocateured by an FBI agent. If you are going to accept McVeighs word as gospel, why not Terry Nichols?
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He was provoked. An agent provocateur provokes. Provocateur is French for provoker. You wouldn't say he was "provokered," would you?
 
Before 9/11, Alex Jones' piggy bank was the dead of Waco and OKC. Alex Jones and other conspiracy theorists need OKC to be an inside job so they can make money off dead. You can't make a dime if you agree with the government and say McVeigh did it.

So they search the internet for anything which can be used as a tool to those ends.

Since Reagans infamous words "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.', the culture in this country has slowly grown to do more than hold government accountable. It's been to hate and fear government. As if it were some monolithic demond with only one purpose - to inslave mankind. People like Alex Jones use that fear make a living.

I think this is an important part of the conspiracy story which is too often left out. It helps the conspiracy story when they talk about neo-con motives, but no one ever talks about the conspiracy theorist motives for hobbling together unrelated facts.

If money was the motive for destroying the towers then the question is, did Alex Jones blow up the towers?
 
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So, are you simply saying that you refuse to apologise to DGM for falsely accusing him of being a liar? I’ll admit, this sort of thing fascinates me; so, out of interest, what makes you think it’s OK to do that -- what is it about you that you feel exempts you from common decency?
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His whole world view necessitates calling thousands of people liars and shills without a shred of evidence to support it.
After a while, doing this on such a casual basis makes it seem quite normal I guess.
 
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From a Washington Post article:


The Oklahoma National Guard confirmed Friday that the aerial photos were indeed taken above Camp Gruber in the fall of 1994 and said the classified project involved weapons sensors and was overseen by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. The National Guard's statement said the truck "had no association whatsoever with the tragedy at the Alfred P. Murrah Building."
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OK CT nutjobs, it's gloves off time...

Listen up, OK? McViegh was one of your own -- one of your own! He was a CTer wacko like you, believing in all sorts of weird crap about the government and sekrit conspiracies and the whole stupid lot. You may not want to own up to that, but there it is. And has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, McVeigh actually confessed to doing the bombing. The despicable puke seemed proud of it in fact; if anything his only regret was that he didn't get a higher body count.

Ironic, isn't it? Here you guys go around accusing the government of killing its own people, and yet you seem reluctant to accept that a self-confessed one of your own was a mass killer of 168 innocent civilians, many of whom were children. Rant and whine all you want, but when it comes to recent mass murder atrocities on the American public, it's CTers 1, Government 0. Is this why you try to promote such the insane idea that OKC was an inside job -- because at the end of the day, it's the CTers with American blood on their hands?

Funny, I also noticed that you didn't answer a rather obvious question: Why would the American government do this? Explain to me Clinton's thought processes when he conspired to kill innocent American goverment workers and blame it on a fringe group of crazies no one had ever even heard about. Explain how he convinced McVeigh to take the blame and keep his mouth shut right up to the point they stuck the lethal injection in him. (I know Clinton was persuasive and all, but come on...)

So that's it. OKC was done by a self-confessed mass murderer who bought into the CT drivel a little too seriously. I suggest you all just shut up about it, and hope like all hell that all this 9/11 nonsense isn't breeding future Timothy McVeighs.
 
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Stellafane said:
OK CT nutjobs, it's gloves off time...

Listen up, OK? McViegh was one of your own -- one of your own! He was a CTer wacko like you, believing in all sorts of weird crap about the government and sekrit conspiracies and the whole stupid lot. You may not want to own up to that, but there it is. And has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, McVeigh actually confessed to doing the bombing. The despicable puke seemed proud of it in fact; if anything his only regret was that he didn't get a higher body count.

Itonic, isn't it? Here you guys go around accusing the government of killing its own people, and yet you seem reluctant to accept that a self-confessed one of your own was a mass killer of 168 innocent civilians, many of whom were children. Rant and whine all you want, but when it comes to recent mass murder atrocities on the American public, it's CTers 1, Government 0. Is this why you try to promote such the insane idea that OKC was an inside job -- because at the end of the day, it's the CTers with American blood on their hands?

Funny, I also noticed that you didn't answer a rather obvious question: Why would the American government do this? Explain to me Clinton's thought processes when he conspired to kill innocent American goverment workers and blame it on a fringe group of crazies no one had ever even heard about. Explain how he convinced McVeigh to take the blame and keep his mouth shut right up to the point they stuck the lethal injection in him. (I know Clinton was persuasive and all, but come on...)

So that's it. OKC was done by a self-confessed mass murderer who bought into the CT drivel a little too seriously. I suggest you all just shut up about it, and hope like all hell that all this 9/11 nonsense isn't breeding future Timothy McVeighs.
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McVeigh did this on the anniversary of Waco. He was acting in revenge for the machine gunning of women and children, by the government.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
McVeigh did this on the anniversary of Waco. He was acting in revenge for the machine gunning of women and children, by the government.
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Remarkable.

1. The Most Davidians died in a fire. They were not machine-gunned. No women or children were shot
2. So when it is rhetorically convenient, McVeigh committed the bombing?
 
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Revolutionary91 said:
McVeigh did this on the anniversary of Waco. He was acting in revenge for the machine gunning of women and children, by the government.
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So, he was acting in revenge for something which never actually happened, by killing people who had nothing whatsoever to do with the Waco siege?

I can see why you'd pick him as a poster boy.
 
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