was OKC an inside job?

oahuoahu said:
you have a bomb literally with such destructive force it demolishes a building in one direction, but does nothing to buildings in the other direction that are just as far away... doesnt make sense. unless it was like a bomb that only blows up in 1 direction i could understand that
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Manipulating and directing the force of an explosion is quite common. 30 seconds on Wikipedia got me the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_lens

These are just two sources. Look around, there are lots more. I only spoon feed two bites per appetite.

I do seem to recall an interview on a news program of 60 Minutes - type ilk where they were talking with a neighbor of McVeigh. For whatever reason, McVeigh diagrammed out to her how he was planning to arrange the drums of explosive in the truck to project more of the force in one direction. No, it wouldn't be a precise, one-way blast, but you can get more force going one way than the other, hence the lopsided damage.

Beanbag
 
Dr Adequate said:
It's not so much feigned confusion as a genuine inability to read your mind.

Now, do you have any evidence for your claim?
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Read the thread. I already stated that a Head of Terrorism Task Force in the FBI has said Strassmeir was an agent. Terry Nichols said McVeigh was being provocateured by the FBI.
 
Revolutionary91: Earlier in this thread you stated that if you saw evidence for the claim that the military rent vehicles, you would re-evaluate your opinion of the photograph of the Ryder truck in the military base. Gravy and others have now provided such evidence. So, why are you ignoring me when I ask you if you have now re-evaluated your opinion of the photograph as per your original statement?
 
Revolutionary91 said:
ATF were based in the Murrah building and it was their original raid at Waco.
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If you say that someone provokes a response, then are you saying that they deserved that response?

Who made mcveigh judge, jury and executioner?

Do you condone his actions? Do you, Rev91, think the legal siege of the waco compound and the unfortunate deaths of those inside caused by their own refusal to adhere to the rule of law is justification for mcveigh to kill people?
 
I think rev91 is either saying:

1. The deaths at waco provoked mcveigh into taking the action he did

or

2. The FBI encouraged or facilitated mcveigh to take the action he did.

Now both of those claims have a tendency to elicit sympathy for poor tim mcveigh or at least seek to share the blame with the government.

Sad that people can't just accept that a white supremacist who views the attack on waco as an attack on the ideal of being able to shut yourself off from society (which you hate) and live by your own rules, even if that means breaking laws agreed upon within the society as a whole, could act without any government involvement.
 
uk_dave said:
If you say that someone provokes a response, then are you saying that they deserved that response?

Who made mcveigh judge, jury and executioner?

Do you condone his actions? Do you, Rev91, think the legal siege of the waco compound and the unfortunate deaths of those inside caused by their own refusal to adhere to the rule of law is justification for mcveigh to kill people?
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No, I just said that is what motivated him.

The children in that compound did not choose anything. They were gassed and shot at.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
No, I just said that is what motivated him.

The children in that compound did not choose anything. They were gassed and shot at.
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They should have surrendered to the police at the beginning. The adults in the compound are the ones to blame. They should have acted like responsible adults instead of paranoid sheep.
 
uk_dave said:
They should have surrendered to the police at the beginning. The adults in the compound are the ones to blame. They should have acted like responsible adults instead of paranoid sheep.
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You clearly condone the gassing and shooting of children. Nice.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
ATF were based in the Murrah building and it was their original raid at Waco.
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Fine. I'll rephrase.

The FBI wanted to blow up some civil servants in order to get revenge for their own bungled siege and the ATF's original raid at Waco?

If not, what was the FBI's motivation?
 
Revolutionary91 said:
I know McVeigh admitted it. His accomplice has also said recently that he was provocateured by an FBI agent. If you are going to accept McVeighs word as gospel, why not Terry Nichols? <snip>
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Because McVeigh's statement was against his own interest, and Nichols' was not.

To quote Adam Schiff, the original D.A. on Law and Order: "Uncorroborated accomplice testimony. That and $1.25 gets you on the subway." :rolleyes:
 
Revolutionary91 said:
No, I just said that is what motivated him.

The children in that compound did not choose anything. They were gassed and shot at.
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Originally you were claiming that women and children were machine-gunned. I'm afraid the goalposts are still in field goal range; you should move them some more.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
You clearly condone the gassing and shooting of children. Nice.
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What do you condone?

The parents using their own children as a shield against the authorities?

Mcveigh taking 'revenge'?

How many of the children who died had gunshot wounds?

What gas was used?
 
D'rok the Lacone said:
Fine. I'll rephrase.

The FBI wanted to blow up some civil servants in order to get revenge for their own bungled siege and the ATF's original raid at Waco?

If not, what was the FBI's motivation?
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It was a sting operation that they failed to stop in time, or possibly a rogue operative was employed to allow it to happen.
 
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