was OKC an inside job?

Pardalis said:
How does one go about provocateuring people?
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First, purchase a beret and a pack of Gauloises....
Second, watch a lot of Hitchcock films.
Oh, wait, that's saboteuring people to commit sabotage. I think I need a refresher course.
 
Alzke said:
I don't know if Oklahoma City was an inside job but as usual the American people are not getting the whole story.

In the last thread on OKC I know the story of Terrence Yeakey was brought up (and mostly ignored).

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/the-terrance-yeakey-cover-up

http://www.patshannan.com/yeakey.html

He was the first city cop on the scene and according to his wife and saw things he was not supposed to, resulting in his "suicide".

You can listen to a 2 part interview with his widow on the first link above. Do you think she's a liar?

What Yeakey saw may very well have corroborated the news reports from that day describing unexploded devices inside the building.
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It makes perfect sense. It was just a fluke. Who could possibly have known that someone would have shown up early to the scene of a massive explosion? Clearly he caught them unprepared in such a daring caper. I bet they had everything planned out perfectly. "OK bob, no one will come to the scene for at least 15 minutes as per massive explosion protocol".

If she also said the building was actually made of cheese, I guess we couldn't deny that either. How could anyone, it would be insulting to say about someone who's loved on killed themselves. It's not like they would want to come up with some kinda of rational to ease their pain and not make it feel like a person may have died in vein or feel like they didn't do enough to help that person who killed themself. Who would feel guilty about their husband committing suicide? What's next' People who lose a loved one wanting someone to be held responsible?

I'm so right there with ya. ;-)
 
Alzke said:
I don't know if Oklahoma City was an inside job but as usual the American people are not getting the whole story.

In the last thread on OKC I know the story of Terrence Yeakey was brought up (and mostly ignored).

http://www.rinf.com/columnists/news/the-terrance-yeakey-cover-up

http://www.patshannan.com/yeakey.html

He was the first city cop on the scene and according to his wife and saw things he was not supposed to, resulting in his "suicide".

You can listen to a 2 part interview with his widow on the first link above. Do you think she's a liar?
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Not his widow, his ex-wife. The two had restraining orders against each other at the time of his suicide. She says that things are unclear to hear, she doesn't know the whole story, perhaps more information is needed, but she thinks some things may have been suspicious, and she says that on a crackpot radio show 10 years ago. That's all. No evidence of anything but the sad suicide of a troubled cop.

It is wrong to drag a dead person's name through the mud because of the kooky, hazy suspicions of one person that were broadcast by crackpots years ago. So don't do it.

Okay?
 
DGM said:
Yes he did see things he was not supposed to see. Without going into gory details there was a daycare there and many kids were badly injured. He never came to grips with this.



Ex-wife/widow. I don't think she understood what he went through they were not close. Mistaken not a liar.



As before. Training rounds not bombs
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So his wife/exwife/widow did not know what he went through, but YOU do? You're full of ....!

Letter written to Yeakeys friend:

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Dear Ramona,
I hope that whatever you hear now and in the future will not change your opinions about myself or others with the Oklahoma City Police Department, although some of the things I am about to tell you about is [sic] very disturbing.

I don't know if you recall everything that happened that morning or not, so I am not sure if you know what I am referring to.

The man that you and I were talking about in the pictures I have, made the mistake of asking too many questions as to his role in the bombing, and was told to back off.

I was told by several officers he was a ATF agent who was overseeing the bombing plot and at the time the photos were taken he was calling in his report of what had just went down!

I think my days as a police officer are numbered because of the way my supervisors are acting and there is [sic] a lot of secrets floating around now about my mental state of mind. I think they are going to write me up because of my ex-wife and a VPO.

I told you about talking to Chaplain Poe, well the bastard wrote up in a report stating I should be relieved of my duties! I made the mistake of thinking that a person's conversation with a chaplain was private, which by the way might have cost me my job as a police officer! A friend at headquarters told me that Poe sent out letters to everyone in the department! That BITCH (Jo Ann Randall) I told you about is up to something and I think it has something to do with Poe. If she gets her way, they will tar and feather me!

I was told that Jack Poe has written up a report on every single officer that has been in to see him, including Gordon Martin and John Avery.

Knowing what I know now, and understanding fully just what went down that morning, makes me ashamed to wear a badge from Oklahoma City's Police Department. I took an oath to uphold the Law and to enforce the Law to the best of my ability. This is something I cannot honestly do and hold my head up proud any longer if I keep my silence as I am ordered to do.

There are several others out there who was [sic] what we saw and even some who played a role in what happened that day.

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My guess is the more time an officer has to think about the screw up the more he is going to question what happened... Can you imagine what would be coming down now if that had been our officers' who had let this happen? Because it was the feds that did this and not the locals, is the reason it's okay. You were right all along and I am truly sorry I doubted you and your motives about recording history. You should know that it is going to one-hell-of-a-fight.

Everyone was behind you until you started asking questions as I did, as to how so many federal agents arrived at the scene at the same time.

Luke Franey (a BATF agent who claimed he was in the building) was not in the building at the time of the blast, I know this for a fact, I saw him! I also saw full riot gear worn with rifles in hand, why? Don't make the mistake as I did and ask the wrong people.

I worry about you and your young family because of some of the statements that have been made towards me, a police officer! Whatever you do don't confront McPhearson with the bomb squad about what I told you. His actions and defensiveness towards the bombing would make any normal person think he was defending himself as if he drove the damn truck up to the building himself. I am not worried for myself, but for you and your group. I would not be afraid to say at this time that you and your family could be harmed if you get any closer to the truth. At this time I think for your well being it is best for you to distance yourself and others from those of us who have stirred up to many questions about the altering and falsifying of the federal investigation's reports.

I truly believe there are other officers like me out there who would not settle for anything but the truth, it is just a matter of finding them. The only true problem as I see it is, who do we turn to then?

It is vital that people like you, Edye Smith, and others keep asking questions and demanding answers for the actions of our federal government and law enforcement agencies that knew beforehand and participated in the cover-up.

The sad truth of the matter is that they have so many police officers convinced that by covering up the truth about the operation gone wrong, that they are actually doing our citizens a favor. What I want to know is how many other operations have they had that blew up in their faces? Makes you stop and take another look at Waco.

I would consider it to be an insult to my profession as a police officer and to the citizens of Oklahoma for ANY of the City, State or Federal agents that stood by and let this happen to be recognized as any thing other than their part in participation in letting this happen. For those who ran from the scene to change their attire to hide the fact that they were there, should be judged as cowards.

If our history books and records are ever truly corrected about that day it will show this and maybe even some lame excuse as to why it happened, but I truly don't believe it will from what I now know to be the truth.

Even if I tried to explain it to you the way it was explained to me, and the ridiculous reason for having [our] own police departments falsify reports to their fellow officers, to the citizens of the city and to our country, you would understand why I feel the way I do about all of this.

I believe that a lot of the problems the officers are having right now are because some of them know what really happened and can't deal with it, and others like myself made the mistake of trusting the one person we were supposed to be able to turn to (Chaplain Poe) only to be stabbed in the back.

I am sad to say that I believe my days as a police officer are numbered because of all of this....
 
Alzke said:
So his wife/exwife/widow did not know what he went through, but YOU do? You're full of ....!

Letter written to Yeakeys friend:

----

Dear Ramona,
I hope that whatever you hear now and in the future will not change your opinions about myself or others with the Oklahoma City Police Department, although some of the things I am about to tell you about is [sic] very disturbing.

I don't know if you recall everything that happened that morning or not, so I am not sure if you know what I am referring to.

The man that you and I were talking about in the pictures I have, made the mistake of asking too many questions as to his role in the bombing, and was told to back off.

I was told by several officers he was a ATF agent who was overseeing the bombing plot and at the time the photos were taken he was calling in his report of what had just went down!

I think my days as a police officer are numbered because of the way my supervisors are acting and there is [sic] a lot of secrets floating around now about my mental state of mind. I think they are going to write me up because of my ex-wife and a VPO.

I told you about talking to Chaplain Poe, well the bastard wrote up in a report stating I should be relieved of my duties! I made the mistake of thinking that a person's conversation with a chaplain was private, which by the way might have cost me my job as a police officer! A friend at headquarters told me that Poe sent out letters to everyone in the department! That BITCH (Jo Ann Randall) I told you about is up to something and I think it has something to do with Poe. If she gets her way, they will tar and feather me!

I was told that Jack Poe has written up a report on every single officer that has been in to see him, including Gordon Martin and John Avery.

Knowing what I know now, and understanding fully just what went down that morning, makes me ashamed to wear a badge from Oklahoma City's Police Department. I took an oath to uphold the Law and to enforce the Law to the best of my ability. This is something I cannot honestly do and hold my head up proud any longer if I keep my silence as I am ordered to do.

There are several others out there who was [sic] what we saw and even some who played a role in what happened that day.

[Two Pages Missing]

My guess is the more time an officer has to think about the screw up the more he is going to question what happened... Can you imagine what would be coming down now if that had been our officers' who had let this happen? Because it was the feds that did this and not the locals, is the reason it's okay. You were right all along and I am truly sorry I doubted you and your motives about recording history. You should know that it is going to one-hell-of-a-fight.

Everyone was behind you until you started asking questions as I did, as to how so many federal agents arrived at the scene at the same time.

Luke Franey (a BATF agent who claimed he was in the building) was not in the building at the time of the blast, I know this for a fact, I saw him! I also saw full riot gear worn with rifles in hand, why? Don't make the mistake as I did and ask the wrong people.

I worry about you and your young family because of some of the statements that have been made towards me, a police officer! Whatever you do don't confront McPhearson with the bomb squad about what I told you. His actions and defensiveness towards the bombing would make any normal person think he was defending himself as if he drove the damn truck up to the building himself. I am not worried for myself, but for you and your group. I would not be afraid to say at this time that you and your family could be harmed if you get any closer to the truth. At this time I think for your well being it is best for you to distance yourself and others from those of us who have stirred up to many questions about the altering and falsifying of the federal investigation's reports.

I truly believe there are other officers like me out there who would not settle for anything but the truth, it is just a matter of finding them. The only true problem as I see it is, who do we turn to then?

It is vital that people like you, Edye Smith, and others keep asking questions and demanding answers for the actions of our federal government and law enforcement agencies that knew beforehand and participated in the cover-up.

The sad truth of the matter is that they have so many police officers convinced that by covering up the truth about the operation gone wrong, that they are actually doing our citizens a favor. What I want to know is how many other operations have they had that blew up in their faces? Makes you stop and take another look at Waco.

I would consider it to be an insult to my profession as a police officer and to the citizens of Oklahoma for ANY of the City, State or Federal agents that stood by and let this happen to be recognized as any thing other than their part in participation in letting this happen. For those who ran from the scene to change their attire to hide the fact that they were there, should be judged as cowards.

If our history books and records are ever truly corrected about that day it will show this and maybe even some lame excuse as to why it happened, but I truly don't believe it will from what I now know to be the truth.

Even if I tried to explain it to you the way it was explained to me, and the ridiculous reason for having [our] own police departments falsify reports to their fellow officers, to the citizens of the city and to our country, you would understand why I feel the way I do about all of this.

I believe that a lot of the problems the officers are having right now are because some of them know what really happened and can't deal with it, and others like myself made the mistake of trusting the one person we were supposed to be able to turn to (Chaplain Poe) only to be stabbed in the back.

I am sad to say that I believe my days as a police officer are numbered because of all of this....
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Source?
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Read the thread. I already stated that a Head of Terrorism Task Force in the FBI has said Strassmeir was an agent.
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To be precise, you linked me to a PrisonPlanet article about a documentary which had not yet been screened in which it was claimed that Coulson was going to blame Strassmeir --- after which the same PrisonPlanet article accused Coulson of being part of the conspiracy.

So, a source who is not reliable (Jones) says that a documentary which he hasn't seen shows a man whom he doesn't trust (Coulson) identifying Strassmeir as "an agent" --- which, even if true, doesn't mean that the government were directing all his actions. He may, for example, have been a paid informant but ripping them off.

Terry Nichols said McVeigh was being provocateured by the FBI.
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Ah, so the mass-murderer's accomplice blames his crimes on the institution he most hates --- the U.S. government. Did he provide any corroborating evidence, or should I just take his word for it?
 
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Alzke said:
So his wife/exwife/widow did not know what he went through, but YOU do?
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For some astonishing reason, possibly because he's not made entirely out of straw, Gravy didn't actually say that.

Letter written to Yeakeys friend:
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Yes, have you read it?

It's paranoid, and I don't mean that in the sense of "believing in a CT that I don't". I mean it's paranoid.
 
Dr Adequate said:
For some astonishing reason, possibly because he's not made entirely out of straw, Gravy didn't actually say that.

Yes, have you read it?

It's paranoid, and I don't mean that in the sense of "believing in a CT that I don't". I mean it's paranoid.
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And it's promoted by paranioacs as written by Yeakey, although they provide no evidence. If so, it's more evidence of his troubled state of mind.

There is no evidence that his death was anything but a suicide.

Edit: And that bit about Agent Luke Franey not being in the building is wrong. He was trapped there with another BATF worker, and a photo of him holding a sign at a window, asking for help on the 9th floor, was presented at McVeigh's trial. Five BATF agents were in the building when the bomb exploded, and three were seriously injured. Excerpts from Franey's trial testimony are here.
 
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This is another issue that puts a lot into my lap. I am a retired soldier. I still live within easy bicycling distance of my last active duty station.

There are Ryder trucks all over the place when any unit does a move. U-Haul has a concession on Ft Lewis and McChord AFB. Lots of people connected to the military have occassion to use rental vehicles. The motor pool evidence is useless for forensic purposes. I see a lot of really sleazy CTers use aerial photos of military bases for disinformation purposes, including John Trochmann, a close associate of McVeigh and the Elohim City conspirators.

The damage done to the Murrah Building and the lack of structural damage done to near-by buildings is consistant with a single charge of ANFO. It was not neccessary to knock anything down, actually. It was enough to lift a few elements off the foundation and then let them down again. ANFO can do that better than dynamite. It propogates slowly, and the shockwave, although it is slow to spread, falls off in power over a very short distance. This is pointed out very clearly by General Benton K. Partin in the half-true paper he wrote on the subject. (More about that whiz-bang officer later.)

The crater is small specificly because the explosive used was ANFO. It does not produce a concrete-shattering blast like dynamite or C-4 applied right to the surface. It is used in quarrying, where the object is to break loose big chunks or slabs of rock rather than rubble as one would in hard rock mining or road building. I have helped make ANFO charges as artillery strike simulators for military training. We used it specificly becauser it would look showy and loud and would be, beyond a few yards, ineffectual.

Partin makes a biig mistake, perhaps deliberately, in showing that the over-pressurization would be equal in all directions, both inside and outside the building. It is common sense that the over-pressurization would fall off more quickly outside than in an enclosed space. This is sort of the same princle that makes a pile of gun powder less threatening than a grenade.

McVeigh was, in deed, trying to act out the bombing scenario from The Turner Diaries. (Read it, if you can get hold of it without contributing to the finances of the National Alliance. Some of the other strategies are being put into action already.) Bombing the Murrah Building had, however, nothing to do with Waco. It had to do with the execution for murder of one Richard Wayne Snell, one of the leaders of Elohim City, a totally racist terrorist group masquarading as a religious community. John Trochmann had made statements warning the government that there could be serious repercussions for executing him at all, especially on that particular day.

Both McVeigh and Trochmann were regular visitors to Elohim City. So Trochmann's disavowal of McVeigh just does not hold water.

Now, obviously, Nichols and Trochmann both have reasons to lie about their involvement. So, to a lesser extent, and for different reasons, has General Partin.

While Trochmann and McVeigh were acting on behalf of white nationalist interests, Partin is a professional Christian victim activist. His motivation, as far as I can see, may have been to discredit Clinton. I have heard his study cited by inside-jobbers in connection with 9/11, but I have, as yet, seen no comment by Partin himself in re 9/11. The big difference I can see is that one of his people is now in command. I do not expect to see him weigh in in any meaningful way on 9/11 any time soon.
 
Revolutionary91 said:
Ah so you can use made up words like twoofer but I can't bastardize Provocateur slightly to describe a process. Yes that makes sense.:rolleyes:
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Oh, now you've done it. You've summoned The English Teacher.

Twoofer is a coined word.

Provocateur, however, is French. What you are doing to it is not "bastardization," but the dreaded "verbing the noun." Now, sometimes this works. Google is a noun that easily becomes a verb.

Provocateur does not lend itself to this. What you are doing wreaks havoc with the meaning, rendering it meaningless. You make yourself appear ignorant by continuing to flog the poor thing. Give it a rest, use your brain, and come up with the word you really want.
 
slingblade said:
Oh, now you've done it. You've summoned The English Teacher.

Twoofer is a coined word.

Provocateur, however, is French. What you are doing to it is not "bastardization," but the dreaded "verbing the noun." Now, sometimes this works. Google is a noun that easily becomes a verb.

Provocateur does not lend itself to this. What you are doing wreaks havoc with the meaning, rendering it meaningless. You make yourself appear ignorant by continuing to flog the poor thing. Give it a rest, use your brain, and come up with the word you really want.
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What is the word I want then?
 
Gravy said:
next to a column that supported a main transfer girder.
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Did he plan it that way? Or did he just park it next to the building not knowing anything about its structure?

<edit> I just realised there were 4 more pages to this topic and I quoted something from page 1.
 
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Revolutionary91 said:
What is the word I want then?
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Normally, I'd disdain such a request with a sneer, but considering your age, I'm inclined to help out. Seriously.

I don't know the word you want, because I'm not sure what you're trying to describe. You confused me with your use of provocateured ("inciting agented", as it were).

You can't say a man was inciting agented. I know now you see this. It's just not a sentence.

Try to describe the concept to me, using only English, and I will sincerely help you find a word or short phrase to encapsulate the concept.
 
slingblade said:
Normally, I'd disdain such a request with a sneer, but considering your age, I'm inclined to help out. Seriously.

I don't know the word you want, because I'm not sure what you're trying to describe. You confused me with your use of provocateured ("inciting agented", as it were).

You can't say a man was inciting agented. I know now you see this. It's just not a sentence.

Try to describe the concept to me, using only English, and I will sincerely help you find a word or short phrase to encapsulate the concept.
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No, I think I will stick with provocateured. It's perfect. Thanks, anyway.
 
Except the actual word is "provoked".

By the way, are you going to admit you're wrong about your claims regarding the Ryder trucks soon? I mean,there are plenty of other things you're wrong about as well, but not even being able to admit you were wrong on such an easily researched matter speaks volumes about your integrity, or lack thereof.
 
Provoked does not describe the process.

While people use twoofer I think i'll use provocateured.

By the way I can use any words I like within the forum rules and the fact that thje grammar police want to focus on that proves they are just after oneupmanship and petty point scoring.
 
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