Was Christopher Columbus obsessed with the Bible

JoeEllison said:
Wow, I'm shocked that you don't approve of Nazis, since they were Christians as well. Interesting?
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Anybody who believes this is either mentally ill or grossly misinformed. Read the book "Hitler Youth" where it talks about a priest being killed for not conforming to the Nazis and how the Nazi Youth Program and the Catholic Church had serious conflicts. Hitler might have quoted a Bible verse here and there for propaganda purposes but even Satan knows Bible verses according to the Bible.
 
DOC said:
I'm very serious. Freedom isn't free. There was a lot of blood spilt for the freedoms you enjoy -- including Christ's.

And the more this country becomes like atheistic Socialist and Communist countries the less freedoms you will enjoy.
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How can a man in the same breath chastise the ACLU (front line fighters for freedom) then claim that religious genocide provides freedoms?:boggled:
 
joobz said:
How can a man in the same breath chastise the ACLU (front line fighters for freedom) then claim that religious genocide provides freedoms?:boggled:
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If only we could harness the power of cognitive dissonance and convert it to electricity--DOC alone could power most of the Western Hemisphere.
 
DOC said:
I know Columbus had some of his own men hanged for disobedience -- so he didn't play favorites. You had to be a tough character back then to command 3 ships on a dangerous mission. You've heard the story about how some in his own crew wanted to throw him over board if he didn't turn back. Sure Columbus wasn't perfect (just like the warrior king, King David, wasn't perfect) but you and the entire Western Hemisphere enjoy the benefits of his voyage don't you. Yes it would have been nice if Columbus was peace, love, and Woodstock but that wasn't the reality of the time.
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So being a complete amoral brute is allowable if you are christian?
But if you believe in any other diety, then you're evil?

Yup, you are morally bankrupt alright. this is perfect proof that christianity does not a moral person make. Indeed, it seems to justify some extremely amoral acts.
 
DOC said:
Anybody who believes this is either mentally ill or grossly misinformed. Read the book "Hitler Youth" where it talks about a priest being killed for not conforming to the Nazis and how the Nazi Youth Program and the Catholic Church had serious conflicts. Hitler might have quoted a Bible verse here and there for propaganda purposes but even Satan knows Bible verses according to the Bible.
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Here's enough cognitive dissonance to power my house for a month. :D
 
DOC said:
Anybody who believes this is either mentally ill or grossly misinformed. Read the book "Hitler Youth" where it talks about a priest being killed for not conforming to the Nazis and how the Nazi Youth Program and the Catholic Church had serious conflicts. Hitler might have quoted a Bible verse here and there for propaganda purposes but even Satan knows Bible verses according to the Bible.
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So you now will claim that he's not a true christian? using your previously loose definition of christianity in the Peter and Jefferson thread, he counts.
 
DOC said:
Anybody who believes this is either mentally ill or grossly misinformed. Read the book "Hitler Youth" where it talks about a priest being killed for not conforming to the Nazis and how the Nazi Youth Program and the Catholic Church had serious conflicts. Hitler might have quoted a Bible verse here and there for propaganda purposes but even Satan knows Bible verses according to the Bible.
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so do you believe these were good christians? they did a lot more than just cite a few verses, I can tell you.

Ted Bundy
Tomas de Torquemada
Elizabeth Bathory
Vlad III the Impaler
Francisco Pizzaro
Queen Mary Tudor
Samuel Parris
Slobodan Milosevic
Augusto Pinochet
H. H. Holmes
Gilles de Rais
Heinrich Himmler
 
DOC said:
Anybody who believes this is either mentally ill or grossly misinformed. Read the book "Hitler Youth" where it talks about a priest being killed for not conforming to the Nazis and how the Nazi Youth Program and the Catholic Church had serious conflicts. Hitler might have quoted a Bible verse here and there for propaganda purposes but even Satan knows Bible verses according to the Bible.
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Right.

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."
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Source.
 
Ducky said:
Right.

Source.
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Yikes, there's more evidence of hilter's christian beliefs than what exits for thomas Jefferson.

I think we should start a new thread, Hitler would not have been as successful at genocide if it wasn't for christianity.
 
I'd like to know how DOC reconciles the cite I gave with his idea the the Catholic Church and Nazis had "serious conflicts."

You don't wish happy birthday to someone you have serious conflicts with. ETA: And you don't do it year after year.
 
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DOC said:
I don't know what reviews you were looking at but I only found 2 reviews on Amazon for Columbus' Book of Prophecies. One of the reviewers didn't even read the book; but this one did:
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Try the editorial review just below the book listing.

Christopher Columbus returned to Europe in the final days of 1500, ending his third voyage to the Indies not in triumph but in chains. Seeking to justify his actions and protect his rights, he began to compile biblical texts and excerpts from patristic writings and medieval theology in a manuscript known as the Book of Prophecies. This unprecedented collection was designed to support his vision of the discovery of the Indies as an important event in the process of human salvation--a first step toward the liberation of Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim domination.
Roberto Rusconi has written a complete historical introduction to the Book of Prophecies, describing the manuscript's history and analyzing its principal themes. His edition of the documents, the only modern one, includes a complete critical apparatus and detailed commentary, while the facing-page English translations allow Columbus's work to be appreciated by the general public and scholars alike.
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DOC said:
They (Aztecs) imprisoned their enemies like the Tlaxcalans, and killed up to 50,000 of them a year at Tenachtitlan's great temple"
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Instead Europeans killed 25,000,000 of them in 50 years with guns, germs and steel.

DOC said:
And the more this country becomes like atheistic totalitarian Socialist and Communist countries the less freedoms you will enjoy.
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Fixed it for you.
 
Ducky said:
I'd like to know how DOC reconciles the cite I gave with his idea the the Catholic Church and Nazis had "serious conflicts."

You don't wish happy birthday to someone you have serious conflicts with. ETA: And you don't do it year after year.
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Well, I hope you're well rested, for I predict that the logical gymnastics that he'll put forth will be worthy of V.S. Ramachandran's study.
 
joobz said:
Yikes, there's more evidence of hilter's christian beliefs than what exits for thomas Jefferson.

I think we should start a new thread, Hitler would not have been as successful at genocide if it wasn't for christianity.
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I'm really glad some of you are saying Hitler was a Christian. I really do hope you'll keep it up because it says a lot about you and your side.

Now I realize Columbus was no angel but at least he added tremendously to the progress of humanity, whereas Hitler came very close to sending humanity into a dark abyss.

You also have to wonder why Roosevelt and Churchill sang "Onward Christian soldiers" with naval officers on a ship at the very beginning of the war if they were fighting a fellow Christian.
 
DOC said:
You also have to wonder why Roosevelt and Churchill sang "Onward Christian soldiers" with naval officers on a ship at the very beginning of the war if they were fighting a fellow Christian.
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Probably the same reason that Union Forces marched to fight fellow Christians to the strains of the Battle Hymn of the Republic.
 
Ducky said:
I'd like to know how DOC reconciles the cite I gave with his idea the the Catholic Church and Nazis had "serious conflicts."

You don't wish happy birthday to someone you have serious conflicts with. ETA: And you don't do it year after year.
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Once again I really do hope you will continue with this Hitler was Christian theme. Because as I said it says a lot about you.

Here is your quote:


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On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars." EndQuote


You will notice that the date is April 20,1939. WWII didn't officially start until about 4 months later. Hitler was so powerful and popular with the Germans at that point there was almost nothing the Church could do without being totally silenced. And as I said earlier the Church did put up objections to the Hitler Youth program and a priest was killed.

Once the war started there was absolutely nothing they could do against Hitler that would have made any difference.

And I believe Pope John Paul II did apologize to Jews for not doing enough. Catholics tend to learn from their mistakes which is why they have been around for 2000 years and the Roman and Nazi empires are long gone and on the ash heap of history.
 
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