Voluntary BDSM or Aggravated Assault?

Ivor the Engineer said:
Yeah, it must have been all those men who were deficient at sex. Your lack of satisfaction prior to the age of 40 has nothing to do with you.
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Eh? :confused:

You know how I know? When I was lucky enough to meet a man who knew what he was doing I recognised it as being a qualitively different experience to what had gone before. Had I suddenly morphed into a different person? Did I suddenly change my approach to the event? :rolleyes:

So do you think people are generally knowledgable about how to satisfy their partner?
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
I realise that the SI&CE sub-forum is often a place of less intellectually rigourous discussion than, say, SMM&T, but are you seriously asking that question?
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It was response to your response in #275 to Mark6. It that context, it seems a reasonable question to ask. Maybe you think it is unreasonable and unnecessarily coarse. I apologise if I have inadvertently lowered the tone of the discussion, I mean no offence if anyone is offended.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
I realise that the SI&CE sub-forum is often a place of less intellectually rigourous discussion than, say, SMM&T, but are you seriously asking that question?
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Are serious in making the inferences you are making? Because I don't think you know what you are talking about.
 
I have Ivor on ignore, so I'm only seeing your replies to him. However, isn't he a self-professed virgin? There's nothing wrong with that but I'd think that's not going to give you expertise in sex.
 
Ysidro said:
I have Ivor on ignore, so I'm only seeing your replies to him. However, isn't he a self-professed virgin? There's nothing wrong with that but I'd think that's not going to give you expertise in sex.
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I have no idea, but I am confident that my reputation in the boudoir remains intact. ;)
 
Ysidro said:
I have Ivor on ignore, so I'm only seeing your replies to him. However, isn't he a self-professed virgin? There's nothing wrong with that but I'd think that's not going to give you expertise in sex.
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Honestly, I've never seen him profess that here on the boards and we've butted heads a lot before. However, in a couple of his statements, especially the one to 23_Tauri, does reveal inexperience.

Making love, sex, whatever you want to call it, is not just a woman lying there and a guy thrusting. It takes people (men and women) some practice and understanding of not only your partner's body, but your own as well. Some books may help, some may not but it's like acting in a play:

One may think that once they memorize their lines, they are all set until they are up on stage in front of a live audience. That's when they realize that they there's a lot they have to learn and more things they haven't even dreamed of that they don't know yet.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
I realise that the SI&CE sub-forum is often a place of less intellectually rigourous discussion than, say, SMM&T, but are you seriously asking that question?
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Let's say a closet drawer, a big one, contains both white socks and black socks. Millions of socks (I did say it was a big drawer). Let's say, just to keep everyone on their toes, that the white socks represent bad sex and the black socks represent good sex. Furthermore, let us suppose that, like so many modish products that put form before function, the drawer is designed to prevent you seeing what colour sock you're picking. How many white socks in a row does it take to convince you they're mostly white?

Now, if your imagination is sufficiently malleable, suppose that while they're in the drawer, the socks are constantly holding meetings to discuss socksiness. Let's further suppose that, as often as not, a meeting between a black sock and a white sock leaves the white sock black. Black and black stay black, white and white stay white, but black socks are multiplying at a rate directly related to how many black socks there are, with a consequent reduction in white sock numbers.

And yet you keep getting white. Are they mostly white?
 
jiggeryqua said:
Let's say a closet drawer, a big one, contains both white socks and black socks. Millions of socks (I did say it was a big drawer). Let's say, just to keep everyone on their toes, that the white socks represent bad sex and the black socks represent good sex. Furthermore, let us suppose that, like so many modish products that put form before function, the drawer is designed to prevent you seeing what colour sock you're picking. How many white socks in a row does it take to convince you they're mostly white?

Now, if your imagination is sufficiently malleable, suppose that while they're in the drawer, the socks are constantly holding meetings to discuss socksiness. Let's further suppose that, as often as not, a meeting between a black sock and a white sock leaves the white sock black. Black and black stay black, white and white stay white, but black socks are multiplying at a rate directly related to how many black socks there are, with a consequent reduction in white sock numbers.

And yet you keep getting white. Are they mostly white?
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...uh...WOW!!!!! :jaw: That was amazing!
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Yeah, it must have been all those men who were deficient at sex. Your lack of satisfaction prior to the age of 40 has nothing to do with you.
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Ever heard an expression "When you are in hole, stop digging?"

Your continuous claims to understand posters here better that they understand themsleves on the subject you have no personal experience in make you look more and more stupid.
 
jiggeryqua said:
Let's say a closet drawer, a big one, contains both white socks and black socks. Millions of socks (I did say it was a big drawer). Let's say, just to keep everyone on their toes, that the white socks represent bad sex and the black socks represent good sex. Furthermore, let us suppose that, like so many modish products that put form before function, the drawer is designed to prevent you seeing what colour sock you're picking. How many white socks in a row does it take to convince you they're mostly white?

Now, if your imagination is sufficiently malleable, suppose that while they're in the drawer, the socks are constantly holding meetings to discuss socksiness. Let's further suppose that, as often as not, a meeting between a black sock and a white sock leaves the white sock black. Black and black stay black, white and white stay white, but black socks are multiplying at a rate directly related to how many black socks there are, with a consequent reduction in white sock numbers.

And yet you keep getting white. Are they mostly white?
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:eye-poppi

Wow. I'm sockified.

So, when a white sock meets a black sock, is its transition to blackness total and immediate, or is there a grey phase?

Because right now, I think I'm probably a grey sock. :blush:

Isn't it funny how true black socks never admit to being black socks, but say they're just your everyday white sock really. But quite a lot of white socks think that they're black socks, and will even proclaim to be black socks, when in actual fact they're not black at all.
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Yeah, it must have been all those men who were deficient at sex. Your lack of satisfaction prior to the age of 40 has nothing to do with you.
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I'm in the same boat. The sex I had prior to age 35 can not compare to the sex I have with my husband. At the time I didn't think the sex was bad, and it wasn't. A good time was had by all. There's just a huge difference between sex with someone who "gets" you vs sex with someone who doesn't. Sex isn't the reason we've been together for 10 years. All those reasons are why the sex is so good.
 
23_Tauri said:
:eye-poppi

Wow. I'm sockified.

So, when a white sock meets a black sock, is its transition to blackness total and immediate, or is there a grey phase?

Because right now, I think I'm probably a grey sock. :blush:

Isn't it funny how true black socks never admit to being black socks, but say they're just your everyday white sock really. But quite a lot of white socks think that they're black socks, and will even proclaim to be black socks, when in actual fact they're not black at all.
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I did consider introducing shades of grey, but I didn't want to complicate matters. There's the size of the sock to be taken into consideration too...
 
23_Tauri said:
What? :confused:

How big a sample do you think one needs before coming to the conclusion that most people don't know how to make love to their partner?

(Note: I'm using the terminology 'make love' to differentiate from merely putting it in and taking it out again, which alone would be classified as sex).
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Right, from the posts above it seems you and several others really do think one's personal sexual experiences allow one to form a reliable estimate of the sexual satisfaction and ability of everyone else.

I've never had a great meal in France, therefore the French don't know how to cook and must find mealtimes a bit of a bore.
 
bookitty said:
I'm in the same boat. The sex I had prior to age 35 can not compare to the sex I have with my husband. At the time I didn't think the sex was bad, and it wasn't. A good time was had by all. There's just a huge difference between sex with someone who "gets" you vs sex with someone who doesn't. Sex isn't the reason we've been together for 10 years. All those reasons are why the sex is so good.
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Ivor said:
I think young people need to learn about how to deal with the emotional aspects of human relationships before embarking on practical sexual education, which, after all, does not take a huge amount of time to master (or at least become competent at) once you get going and communicate with each other.
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Funny how everyone focused on the bit before the highlighted section...
 
Ivor the Engineer said:
Right, from the posts above it seems you and several others really do think one's personal sexual experiences allow one to form a reliable estimate of the sexual satisfaction and ability of everyone else.
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And you've never used anecdote based on your own personal experience to back up an assertion?

I think what the posters here are saying is that as they've got older and more experienced, they've realised that for much of their sexually active lives they've had pretty mediocre sex. We only realise this when we are fortunate enough to bed a partner who is not only attentive, but patient and willing to expend time and energy performing what amounts to an art, in order to achieve the gratification one receives when one makes another human being happy.

Now, what I was suggesting a couple of days ago was whether it would be possible to speed up this process somewhat by allowing the older generation to pass on their much practised savoir-faire to the younger generation. We teach young people how to do other stuff, but leave them floundering amongst themselves when it comes to sexual prowess. Why is that?
 
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