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VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

... if I do have an ability of detecting presence/absence of kidneys, ...

Not without the aid of technological equipment.
There is no 'if' here.
You have never been able to demonstrate your claimed abilit(y)(ies) in any way whatsoever.

The circus that you create around your claimed abilit(y)(ies) is irrelevant for any such claim. Only demonstration of your claimed abilit(y)(ies) is.
 
What? Heavyset people can be missing a kidney also. And if I do have an ability of detecting presence/absence of kidneys, it is not a straightforward process, some individuals are not as immediate to conclude on, so for me to conclude on this person would be very helpful in a trial, which it was. I can then focus on the others.

What I mean is, that the other five subjects aren't necessarily easy to feel into, either, so if I can conclude on this person it simplifies for me the remaining five.

Wait, now we have to have a BMI test for you to be able to "see" a kidney?

It just gets more comical as she comes up with excuses.
 
The way that Anita tries to combine science and woo makes me think that we are actually seeing the creation of the next Andrew Wakefield.
 
The usefulness of the alleged ability diminishes rapidly it seems.
But my question from before hasn't been answered yet: Why did that obstacle only come up during the trial and not before?
And am I missing the point or was it not set up to demonstrate your ability instead of giving you another go at practicing it? Shouldn't you have done that before?
 
The usefulness of the alleged ability diminishes rapidly it seems.
But my question from before hasn't been answered yet: Why did that obstacle only come up during the trial and not before?
And am I missing the point or was it not set up to demonstrate your ability instead of giving you another go at practicing it? Shouldn't you have done that before?


Clearly all evidence, including the results of the IIG show and Anita's various responses to the event, shows that it was more about soliciting attention and supporting her preconceived belief that she indeed does possess some kind of magical powers than it was about testing anything.
 
TSR, unless the person is aware that they are missing a kidney and that they are the target of a kidney detection experiment which may translate into possible external signals in terms of body language, the presence or absence of kidneys is not considered detectable by seeing a person's clothed back.

Moss, I had a long study period before submitting a test protocol and proceeding with having a test, the IIG Preliminary Demonstration. I made attempts to identify all parameters that affect my experience of medical perceptions. I learned many things, such as that I need to see the outline of the person without a screen and that clothing was permitted. I do not offer "psychic readings" to people, nor do I involve persons other than Skeptics in my investigation, unless dealt with by Skeptics directly, so I have only a limited amount of experience with "reading" people. I never came across a larger person in my study of my claim. So I had no way of foreseeing that larger persons would be harder to "feel" into, to form the perceptions.

But in accordance with how I experience the claim of "vision from feeling" to take place, larger persons taking longer time becomes a valid excuse. Meanwhile, during the test itself, I was working very hard to feel into all persons, of course I had every incentive to gather my information, and were the claim merely a conscious or logical exercise, I would have overcome this difficulty rather well.
 
... in a trial, which it was.

The term "trial" as you used it here, is a somewhat deceptive synonym for the term "preliminary".

You are referring to the preliminary demonstration, in which you were supposed to demonstrate an ability you claim to have. Not to explore (another synonym) the claimed ability.

You failed to demonstrate that claimed ability. That's all there is to it.
 
TSR, unless the person is aware that they are missing a kidney and that they are the target of a kidney detection experiment which may translate into possible external signals in terms of body language, the presence or absence of kidneys is not considered detectable by seeing a person's clothed back.


Nothing's changed then, has it? Not one jot or tittle.

We all knew it was impossible before you started this odyssey, and we all know it now.

Perhaps you should have listened to what you were being told and you could have saved putting yourself through this farce.



Moss, I had a long study period before submitting a test protocol and proceeding with having a test, the IIG Preliminary Demonstration.


A reasonably long period of time certainly passed. There was absolutely no indication, and there remains zero evidence, that any kind of study took place though.

And please don't bother referring us to the 'study' pages on your website, as they are drivel.



I made attempts to identify all parameters that affect my experience of medical perceptions.
my bolding


No, you did not.

You quite blatantly ignored almost all of the advice you were given in this regard, and identified absolutely nothing.


Now, as to the bolded words above, which I have repeatedly asked you about and which I will continue to ask you about until an answer is forthcoming.


Why are you referring to this non-ability of yours as 'medical perceptions' when it couldn't be classified that way even if it worked.

Remember this: An ignorant and uneducated nobody like myself using an MRI machine actually can see inside bodies and detect missing kidneys, but there's no way this could be described as a medical perception.

Why do you persist with insisting that you, also without medical training, are capable of 'medical perceptoions'



I learned many things, such as that I need to see the outline of the person without a screen and that clothing was permitted.


What do you mean by 'many things'? The two vague things you've mentioned here are of no import whatsoever.

What are the other things you learned? Detailed list please.



I do not offer "psychic readings" to people, nor do I involve persons other than Skeptics in my investigation . . .


I'm not a skeptic, or a sceptic, with or without the initial capital, but you'd better believe that I'm involved.

'Skeptics' is not, despite your insistence, a class of people. There is no such group.

To your slight credit, however, at least you aren't the only one making this basic and obvious mistake.



. . . unless dealt with by Skeptics directly . . .


As above.



. . . so I have only a limited amount of experience with "reading" people.


Which is to say, in fact, that you have none at all. Zero.



I never came across a larger person in my study of my claim.


You never did a study and that's the precise reason that:

So I had no way of foreseeing that larger persons would be harder to "feel" into, to form the perceptions.


See how that works, science student?



But in accordance with how I experience the claim of "vision from feeling" to take place, larger persons taking longer time becomes a valid excuse. Meanwhile, during the test itself, I was working very hard to feel into all persons, of course I had every incentive to gather my information, and were the claim merely a conscious or logical exercise, I would have overcome this difficulty rather well.


Utter nonsense, wrapped in waffle.
 
But in accordance with how I experience the claim of "vision from feeling" to take place, larger persons taking longer time becomes a valid excuse. Meanwhile, during the test itself, I was working very hard to feel into all persons, of course I had every incentive to gather my information, and were the claim merely a conscious or logical exercise, I would have overcome this difficulty rather well.


And here's what the people who live and work in reality have learned... You can't see into larger people any better than you can see into skinny people. You can't see into anyone at all, under any conditions, ever. You failed to demonstrate that you have any sort of magical power at all. Zero. None. Nobody's buying your excuses. No do-overs. You got an F.

Don't you ever stop to consider that only one human on the face of this planet actually believes you have x-ray vision? All the real scientists, and lord knows you're not one of them, have already dismissed your claim as being bogus. Again, you got an F, and no amount of your lying and rationalizing and making excuses will ever change that.
 
But in accordance with how I experience the claim of "vision from feeling" to take place, larger persons taking longer time becomes a valid excuse.

Wow.

You've actually forgotten that this whole charade started out with your perceptions coming "easily and immediately", that you'd "never been wrong", that you could "zoom to the molecular level", that you could see inside metal tanks and through TV transmissions, haven't you? You've actually, fully and shamelessly removed all trace of the history of your absurd claims from your memory. You've totally abandoned all sense of self-criticism and self-awareness. You really do believe that "in accordance with how you experience the claim of "vision from feeling" to take place, larger persons taking longer time becomes a valid excuse", don't you?

Wow.

May I suggest something, Anita? That you go back to the very first post you made on this forum, and examine how much your claims then differ from your claims now.
 
And if I do have an ability of detecting presence/absence of kidneys, it is not a straightforward process


It was straightforward on the control subject you read right before the actual test started, when you knew the answer. Why is that, do you think?
 
I do not offer "psychic readings" to people...

That's a lie. You offered psychic readings on your website.

...nor do I involve persons other than Skeptics in my investigation...

That's a lie. You approached an online migraine group, offering to "treat" them.

No matter how many times you lie, it won't make your lies true.

And what difference does it make if the person you offer a 'reading' or a 'treatment' to is a skeptic? Or do you lump 'skeptics' with 'family and friends' in order to dodge responsibility?

All your dodging aside, it boils down to one basic point: you either have these "abilities" or you don't. It's been proven that you don't. Case closed.
 
TSR, unless the person is aware that they are missing a kidney and that they are the target of a kidney detection experiment which may translate into possible external signals in terms of body language, the presence or absence of kidneys is not considered detectable by seeing a person's clothed back.
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No, it's not detectable by seeing a person's clothed back, regardless of that person's awareness of anything else.

Which is why your claims to be able do so immediately and with uncanny accuracy are lies. Sorry, but there's no other applicable term.


Which is why your current attempts to find excuses for your failure that don't involve admitting that you can't see into bodies are so laughable.


And which is why all of your other claims now or in the future are going to be treated with derision even if they are as simple as "I'm worth hiring and I won't embarrass the company by publicly proclaiming to not to have to eat (although raw oats seem to have been a problem for me in the past)" Maybe for a mailroom clerk that won't be an issue, but I wouldn't go expecting that Nobel quite yet.
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I never came across a larger person in my study of my claim. So I had no way of foreseeing that larger persons would be harder to "feel" into, to form the perceptions.

I find it hard to believe that any serious studies of looking into people using magical MRI vision would only involve skinny people, in a country known to be experiencing an obesity epidemic. Were you specifically filtering out anyone who weighed over 120 lbs? I am pretty sure there are overweight people in Charlotte, NC. Heck, you probably have some in any number of classes you attend.
 
I don't believe in my claim, I have not verified or falsified it yet. I still find reasons to investigate it further. Those of you who have any background in scientific research know that a test procedure is modified and improved upon in repeated trials to construct a set of testing conditions that best allow the research hypothesis to manifest what it can do.

In the chemisty lab when a chemistry experiment fails, you can not conclude on the hypothesis as falsified just yet. You study the impact of various laboratory parameters, such as temperature, concentration of reagents, or add a catalyst.
 
Hi VFF, my name is Trent :)

I haven't read every page of the thread, but I get the general idea I think. If you believe you have abilities of some sort, what do you attribute the origins of them to (if I may ask ...) i.e. natural, divine, etc? And I'm assuming that you might believe with practice, you can "hone" the ability or skill so to speak ... and this is why you continue to explore it? Is this correct?

As you have time :)
 
I don't believe in my claim...

Wasn't it you who said "I really, really did and nothing will change my mind", or something similar, when asked about Dr. Carlson's kidney? What's that if not belief?

You have forgotten your own claims, haven't you? I don't think you're lying; I just think you're completely and utterly deluded - you really do think you're making a coherent and consistent set of arguments, don't you?
 
I don't believe in my claim, I have not verified or falsified it yet. I still find reasons to investigate it further.


Regarding that argument, nobody else finds any reason to investigate it further. Everyone who is even remotely familiar with this situation has already determined, scientifically, according to a preponderance of evidence that you yourself have provided, that your claims are unsupportable because your arguments are based on and supported by lies.

Those of you who have any background in scientific research know that a test procedure is modified and improved upon in repeated trials to construct a set of testing conditions that best allow the research hypothesis to manifest what it can do.


Regarding the qualifications you claim to have, your background in scientific research has been challenged since you have demonstrated time and again that you don't understand the methodology of science at its most rudimentary level. Your opinion on procedure, research, hypotheses, and test conditions is apparently unfounded. You talk all sciency, but I'm sure you agree that no more makes you a scientist than it does any other run of the mill crackpot.

In the chemisty lab when a chemistry experiment fails, you can not conclude on the hypothesis as falsified just yet. You study the impact of various laboratory parameters, such as temperature, concentration of reagents, or add a catalyst.


No matter how hard you try to make it work, it won't. Despite your protest, your argument fails on every level. Persistence in presenting a failed argument doesn't equal real science. It's snake oil, magic beans, lies, and fraud. You've made, conservatively, a dozen claims to having magical powers. You haven't been able to demonstrate even remotely that any one of them has any scientific merit. Looking at the report card for the results of the IIG show, you got an F.
 
I don't believe in my claim, I have not verified or falsified it yet.

Then, please, since you "don't believe" in your claim, tell us again how you "know" that your claim about Dr. Carlson's missing kidney is "really, really" not false memory or a delusion concocted by your mind?

I still find reasons to investigate it further.

Of course you do. Most of us could find reasons to do anything, if we really want to do it. Doesn't mean the reasons are legitimate.
 
Wasn't it you who said "I really, really did and nothing will change my mind", or something similar, when asked about Dr. Carlson's kidney? What's that if not belief?

See my signature. That's a pretty firm statement for someone who "doesn't believe" in her claim. ;)
 

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