VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

[skeen]

I'm sure the data will turn the science as we know it on its heels.

 

[desertgal]

I have all the data returned to me from the study. It will be posted with comments Eventually^TM.

Which translates to "The data will be posted with whatever fantasy spin I can think of between now and then."

 

[Audible Click]

I have all the data returned to me from the study. It will be posted with comments Eventually^TM.

Please keep to your original agreement to post the data from the study without any comments.

 

[desertgal]

You know, Anita, a LOT of folks here have offered you logical, well meant advice. It's one thing to pay lip service to the value of skepticism towards a paranormal claims while you hide behind fictitious claims and pretend they are legitimate. It is something else altogether to openly thumb your nose at the people who have tried to help you.

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Edited for civility

 

[Uncayimmy]

On your website, Anita, you say that you can detect male and female hormones in urine in the bladder:

http://www.visionfromfeeling.com/medicalperceptions.html
Some people's urine is very dark and then also heavy from a high concentration of metals and other solutes. I can feel male vs. female hormone in urine, they are very distinct from one another. Every individual's urine feels very distinct to that person.

This sounds like the perfect scenario for a real test - not a study. As you say, it's a medical perception, so it's exactly what you want tested (rather than any of your other numerous claims). You can easily determine with what accuracy you can do this - a person's gender is self-evident. Just look at people and write down your accuracy. It doesn't require any elaborate setup. Just look at the people around you every day.

If you can detect urine in the bladder, surely you can detect it in a container. How about it? This is exactly the kind of thing the IIG is looking for so that you can qualify for the $50K challenge.

 

[volatile]

Wow - brilliant! This could be the first step not only to a million bucks, but also proof of the paranormal.

Let's get this test done as quickly as possible, Anita! What's stopping you?

 

[Gmonster2]

Wow - brilliant! This could be the first step not only to a million bucks, but also proof of the paranormal.

Let's get this test done as quickly as possible, Anita! What's stopping you?

I think what is stopping her is its all in her imagination.....and i'll bet 1 million dollars on that!

 

[Senex]

Wow - brilliant! This could be the first step not only to a million bucks, but also proof of the paranormal.

Let's get this test done as quickly as possible, Anita! What's stopping you?

How about the negative energy on this thread that can be cut with a knife. What's with forcing every test into being black or white? Many things in life can be inconclusive during preliminary testing. Why the rush to force the issue prematurely?

I've been studying this situation and believe the haunted motel test needs to be taken before any conclusions can reasonably be drawn.

 

[Ashles]

How about the negative energy on this thread that can be cut with a knife. What's with forcing every test into being black or white? Many things in life can be inconclusive during preliminary testing. Why the rush to force the issue prematurely?

Are you actually aware of how long her "preliminary testing" has been going on for?
Are you aware of how many, very clear and easy-to-test claims Anita has made?
Are you aware of how many simple protocols Anita has rejected for no scientifically valid reason?

There is a time for the word "prematurely" - this really isn't one.

I've been studying this situation and believe the haunted motel test needs to be taken before any conclusions can reasonably be drawn.

How on earth is the haunted house claim going to help in any way towards investigation of Anita's proposed medical abilities? Which she repeatedly says is her main claim?
If anything the haunted house stuff is another delay and a distraction to the main investigation.

 

[Spektator]

How about the negative energy on this thread that can be cut with a knife. What's with forcing every test into being black or white? Many things in life can be inconclusive during preliminary testing. Why the rush to force the issue prematurely?
(snip).

I believe it's probably due to the requirement that a JREF test produce results that are self-evident and require no subjective judging. I could be wrong.

 

[desertgal]

QUOTE=VisionFromFeeling;4892575]No I don't understand that. I visualized colored light into the perception I had of the inside of a man's brain. And then I gave a gentle (and quite comfortable and relaxing) massage with my fingertips. Most people would love to sit down and get a massage. Desertgal, just cool down. [/quote]

I'm calm.

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Edited for moderated thread.

That is not what you described previously.

I am aware that the incident of attempting to heal a man who was suffering from constant migraines and experiencing a coincidental dramatic improvement in his condition after the treatment might stir things up in my career or VISA status, however, all it was was visualization and a gentle massage and neither of those things are illegal. I charged no money and emphasized that he continue to rely on conventional medicine and medications and that what I do must be considered as nonsense and useless. Yet it either coincided with a dramatic healing or it had some effect, whether placebo or otherwise. A foreign student wanting to give headache sufferers a relieving head massage is definitely not grounds for not granting them employment or for having them deported. It should show that I am a caring individual. Besides, something happened, and I intend to find out whether it can happen again.

Well, I don't believe the authorities will agree with you. We'll see.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Thank you for your concern, and I am concerned also of fraud psychics who exploit people in need.

How does one distinguish fraud psychics from the <cough> real <cough> ones?

The fact that I came third out of four in the point scale system of the first study is no reason for me to not attend a FACT meeting. I am not opposed to falsification of the claim, no matter how passionately some JREF Forum Skeptics here would love to insist that I should be, as a paranormal claimant.

Your "study" was inadequate to prove that you had any ability. However, it was adequate to establish that you had no ability, and that's exactly what the results tell us. Your Induced Information studies are chock full of failures. However, your conclusions are that you have merely detected limitations on your ability. You know, the chair was too dense or your ability doesn't work in the dark.

That's why we say you are opposed to falsification. You claim to have abilities nobody in the world has and which cannot be explained by science. When you try to "study" them you don't ever have unusual results that need to be explained. And yet you're worried about "stopping too early" and missing something.

Right.

As a science student I should know better.

Agreed.

I do not take credit for his improvement,

Right. You're just a good luck charm.

I said to you, "You just think you're so special that you can magically heal anybody. What an ego you have!" You replied, "Nah! I've done it!"

I might come across as unfocused or incompetent in my investigation,

I fixed it for you.

one thing I am not is a liar,

You lied about having a 4.0. Your explanation was quite fanciful. You told us in February, "All it takes is one F to be kicked off the Chancellor's List. They don't care why you got it, even if it was the school's fault and there was nothing you could do. I've cried about it plenty, but I'll be back by the end of this semester, check back then."

We have checked back. You're not back on the Chancellor's list. Now you tell me it will be after this summer. Are you taking the class a third time?

but of course you are entitled to questioning my honesty.

We only question your honesty because all of your "evidence" is anecdotal.

The investigation started with medical perceptions and continues with the same. Later I added description of synesthesia into the search for an explanation. As for communication with ghosts, that was mentioned in other threads where I was discussing my experiences with that topic, and it does not form another claim that I want investigated here.

You said something like, "I really did detect Dr. Carlson's missing kidney, I was just too afraid to mention it because I might be wrong." Naturally, we're going wonder about your credibility. Well, considering all the claims about dinosaur ghosts, Ben Franklin, remote tasting, super hearing, chemical and bacteria identification, telepathy, and surviving without water for more than a week multiple times (to name but a few), we're not inclined to take what you say as the truth.

You can't expect us to ingnore all of your other claims. If you make the claim publicly, it will be examined publicly and in context. Nobody is forcing you to share these stories. We're entitled to look at the big picture.

As for being a Star Person (alien), that is a personal characteristic and should be of not much more interest than my political or religious denomination. Star People are simply individuals who feel a strong connection with outer space on a personal level. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to insist that we are from outer space, but we feel that we are.

You're not an alien. Any connection you feel to "outer space" is all in your head. A fantasy.

To explain some of what Star People are like, you might like to see http://www.drboylan.com/starkididqstnr.html.

The same site that says, "Information from a member of Star Nations’ Council informs us that there are 1,483 Star Nations Species who are currently operating within Earth’s energy zone, and/or have operated here in the past. Needless to say, this article will not catalogue them all, but only the ones with whom Humans have had more frequent interaction."

I see. So when you tell us a story about healing someone of their migraines, we shouldn't consider that you believe in Star Seeds even though the website you linked to has stuff like, "The Mantis Woman sent healing energy into one Star Seed present, Jerry, who visibly trembled with the energy. Then Praying Mantis Woman sent healing energy into Nicolette, who exclaimed how strong and loving the energy was. It took her several minutes to ground and be fully "back" into the group setting."

I am not here to gain followers. I am sharing my investigation with skeptics because "psychics" rarely offer any insight and scrutiny into their claims. We are arguing because there is a lack of data.

But you did join the local Star Seeds meetup group:
http://www.meetup.com/2012Awakening/

You know, the people who say, "We are Volunteers on Earth that have come from different realms, some are part of the Galactic Federation or Brotherhood of Light. We're here to help Humanity, especially during the close of this Great Cycle on Planet Earth."

C'mon. Do you really think a "lack of data" is the only point of contention? Can you not acknowledge that the sum of all of your claims and proven lies make your anecdotes questionable at best?

You're actually fighting battles on a few fronts:

1) Taken in perspective, your anecdotes are not likely to be truthful.

2) Even if your anecdotes are 100% truthful and accurate, your conclusions are without merit and not worthy of further pursuit.

3) Your methods of gathering data are not even worthy of a junior high school science project.

 

[LightinDarkness]

This is from the Stop VFF website thread, but its a response to VFF's claims and not about the website, so I am posting it here:

As for being a Star Person (alien), that is a personal characteristic and should be of not much more interest than my political or religious denomination. Star People are simply individuals who feel a strong connection with outer space on a personal level. It doesn't necessarily mean that we are going to insist that we are from outer space, but we feel that we are. To explain some of what Star People are like, you might like to see http://www.drboylan.com/starkididqstnr.html. I scored between 51 to 60 on the questions, 9 of which are unknown and relate to my early childhood and I would have to ask my mother about them, and 3 no, out of a total possible of 67. It was only brought up since there was a Skeptic site that asks "Are you human?" before you can register and one would have to answer yes. At first I said no and couldn't register. Then I said yes, but then I emailed them and asked them to withdraw my registration and that's where all this mess came from.

There is so much woo here, but this really astounds me. I can accept that VFF, in her desperate desire to be special and have superpowers, has deluded herself into beleiving these things are true. I can accept that, even when an skeptic group tests her and shows her powers to be a failure, that she can delude herself into ignoring this. Such is the power of those who want to Believe.

But for a supposed science student, that this one believes she is a "star child" because of a internet test astounds and amazes. This is just like the Indigo child woo - tests made up of characteristics that everyone shares, and questions that vast majority of people would relate to because they refer to common notions we have about ourselves. And this, folks, is her evidence that shes a Star Child.

As I follow this tragedy, I become more and more concerned about VFF's mental state. The delusions are growing progressively worse. At first she claimed she could simply detect whats inside of a box with colors, now she claims to be able to magically heal people. VFF, this is not a bash or an insult, I am serious: Please seek the help of a mental health professional.

 

[Uncayimmy]

*** ****, I appreciate and honor your effort in suppressing what should here seem like a possible psychic fraud beginning

1) By definition all psychics are frauds. Some, of course, may not realize it.

2) I disagree that you appreciate and honor my efforts. I offer the website blog for those who are interested.

3) I am not attempting to suppress anyone. I cannot possibly suppress you. What I can do is try to inform people in the hopes that you don't hurt anyone. I've pretty much lost hope that you'll ever realize how far you are removed from reality. You won't wear me down, though, even if you keep sending me IMs like, "I did detect Dr. Carlson missing a left kidney. I REALLY REALLY DID! I KNOW IT! I DID!"

My suspicion that I might be able to heal is not something that originates from my own interpretation of events. All past cases where I have attempted to heal people were with loved ones who were helplessly in great pain. And in all cases I had not told them that I was attempting to heal them, nor was it by any means obvious that I was. And after long periods of suffering without any sign of improvement there was great relief immediate to my treatment.

I believe that you are lying about past attempts at healing.

* You never mentioned healing before despite hundreds of opportunities. Are we to believe you willing tell us about detecting a wide variety of medical conditions along with stories about using Vibrational Algebra to find cures for cancer and diabetes, but all that time you were reluctant to share your healing abilities? You're willing to share claims of telepathy, ghost stories, and outrageous claims about surviving without water for a week multiple times, but you're not willing to say you have a healing ability until now?

* When you introduced the idea of healing to me, you called it your "new" claim.

* At the start of the story you said you didn't think you would ever try it.

Only after getting into the story did you mention past healing. You know, sort of like you were making it up as you went along. We've all heard people tell lies like that where new details pop up with each telling. That's what this sounds like.

When I heard about a man who is suffering from migraines that are constant, unbearable and debilitating to the point of him feeling like ending his life I was of course very concerned. Remembering past events that had had apparent results, I knew I had to at least try, and you can not blaim me for wanting to help someone.

Right. This "suicidal" man had been suffering from migraines for some period of time (it varies with each telling). Only now he was suicidal. So suicidal that he decided to "start rowing" as a form of exercise - a common behavior of those so despondent they are considering death as an out.

He's been suffering for over I'm not sure how many years and getting progressively worse to the point where he had migraines 3 times per week. How many did he get per week 500 weeks ago? Where's his headache diary that he surely must have been keeping if he's been suffering that long? You make no mention of it because it doesn't exist, most likely because this person doesn't exist.

What you fail to understand is that the proper course of action with someone who is suicidal is to get them to a mental health professional ASAP. Laypersons have no business pretending to "cure" people considering suicide. That's very serious.

Since age 6 his migraines had continually gotten worse to a point where now at 56 they were constant.

Your timeline is interesting:

* You said his migraines got worse "over the years."

* You said, "For 10-15 years he had been getting continually worse."

* Now you are saying he has had them since age 6 (50 years).

I looked into his body and found areas of black vibrational substance, which looks like a solid colored material across the tissue. Most more serious health problems that I see with my "vision" have black associated to them.<snip>

I treated him by working in the image that I was seeing of the inside of his brain near the optical nerves. Directly in that image, I cut the black into smaller sections and removed them by force applied by my mind. <snip> The changes I made in my mind to the image, became lasting changes such that when I looked again, the image from his tissues was updated and changed.

That's either a delusion or a deliberate lie. You cannot see inside the skull. When you imagine sending light into someone, that's just your imagination. I've been saying all along it's just your imagination. You aren't actually doing anything.

Anybody can "imagine" what you just described. I can imagine I can see inside the body. The difference between you and me (and 99% of the world) is that you don't seem able to distinguish imagination from reality.

Not only was there a significant reduction in the frequency of migraines (from a minimum of 12 to 2), but he also reported that these two lasted for shorter amounts of time, that they were less intense, and that there was no nausea associated with them anymore. He explained how his whole life had changed, all the activities he was now able to do, how his wife did not have to suffer with him anymore and how he had much of his family life back.

Sure! You dramatically changed this guy's life around. His family is so grateful to you. Thing is, I don't believe this story for a moment. I really don't. I don't think anyone here believes it is 100% truthful.

For over 20 years I have suffered from periodic migraines and have known others with the same affliction. From what I have learned I'm not atypical in that they come and go. Sometimes I'll go for months without one. Other times I'll get several of them over a very short period of time.

If the guy has had them for 50 years, surely you're not saying this is the very first time he's ever had a month with only a few. You even told us that the guy has tried "every medication" and has had temporary limited success. So, why would he declare his life changed and express his gratitude because he had one month of reduced migraines? It makes no sense.

I said that rowing and exercise might improve migraines, he said he didn't think so because he has exercised in the past and without any improvement.

For some people, exercise is a trigger, especially upper body exercises. It can make things much worse. For some it helps. You shouldn't give advice when you don't know anything about the subject.

The reason I have chosen to share this story has got nothing to do with me.

Then why did you contact me via Skype to share the story, then agree to have it posted on the Internet? It's all about you.

If - for any reason - I were able to help migraine sufferers, either by being a good luck charm that sets people into a coincidental immediate recovery or by actually having some effect, then I will definitely help people and nothing in the world can stop me. I don't care if I am attacked for having wanted to help someone. I also think that Jim Carr's comments and arguments are strongly disrespectful to the man and his experience.

Disrespectful to you? Yes. I have very little respect for you. For the character in your fantasy I have lots of respect and empathy, assuming he's a real person. Truth is, I seriously doubt the guy exists or if he does, the story happened like you said.

It would have been irresponsible of me to not want to try.

If he were truly suicidal, he should have been referred to a professional. If your story is 100% accurate, that is my objection to your actions.

 

[Chimera]

Anita has now joined a migraine support group to give treatments to other migraine sufferers:

http://www.meetup.com/CharlotteMigraine/members/8490443/

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

There is so much woo here, but this really astounds me. I can accept that VFF, in her desperate desire to be special and have superpowers, has deluded herself into beleiving these things are true.

But for a supposed science student, that this one believes she is a "star child" because of a internet test astounds and amazes. This is just like the Indigo child woo - tests made up of characteristics that everyone shares, and questions that vast majority of people would relate to because they refer to common notions we have about ourselves. And this, folks, is her evidence that shes a Star Child.

I had a very unusual childhood and came across the concept of Star People in my teens and found that I could relate to it. Star People is a personality characteristic and is not necessarily stated as evidence. I had the personality and self-reflection before I came across Dr. Boylan and his questionnaire in my mid-20's, so your assumption that the questionnaire inspired me is wrong. Also I linked to the questionnaire so that I would not have to write up the characteristics myself, but I can if you want.

Furthermore to be a Star Person involves characteristics and life experiences that not everyone shares. But I will not discuss those as it would agitate you even more. Just leave it be.

I can accept that, even when an skeptic group tests her and shows her powers to be a failure, that she can delude herself into ignoring this. Such is the power of those who want to Believe.

It was a study not a test, designed by me to try out various test conditions. Just like when I study for a test at college, I try out various problem solving methods and some fail yet it is the test that matters not the study.

As I follow this tragedy, I become more and more concerned about VFF's mental state. The delusions are growing progressively worse. At first she claimed she could simply detect whats inside of a box with colors, now she claims to be able to magically heal people. VFF, this is not a bash or an insult, I am serious: Please seek the help of a mental health professional.

To be a Star Person is not a mental problem. We just relate to outer space and the other related topics on a very personal and identity level. I do admit that it could be a cultural artifact for children who grow up exposed to space and such in the media since we haven't really seen this in our historical past.

Ahem. I do not claim that I could heal. The persons whom I have healed think that I have healed them. And this is why things are getting pretty interesting now.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I believe that you are lying about past attempts at healing.

Sometimes I feel sad when skeptics have concluded on their opinion rather than to remain objective. Such as when certain Forum Skeptics "knew" that I was not from Sweden. It would make a better impression if you said "I suspect that you are lying about past attempts at healing." because in fact the anecdotes I have given are true. I have only had three healing experiences. Affidavits, anyone? I've got them.

* You never mentioned healing before despite hundreds of opportunities. Are we to believe you willing tell us about detecting a wide variety of medical conditions along with stories about using Vibrational Algebra to find cures for cancer and diabetes, but all that time you were reluctant to share your healing abilities? You're willing to share claims of telepathy, ghost stories, and outrageous claims about surviving without water for a week multiple times, but you're not willing to say you have a healing ability until now?

Here we go again. You think I do not have synesthesia, because I didn't mention it in the very beginning. UncaYimmy, there are many things I have not mentioned yet, but that does not make them less likely to be true. I have one main claim and the other things that surface just enter the conversation for various reasons. The discussion about ghosts and other topics not related to my main claim were discussed in other threads with those topics.

* When you introduced the idea of healing to me, you called it your "new" claim.

I sure did. Because I knew it would be dedicated its own thread page in the Claims folder on your website.

* At the start of the story you said you didn't think you would ever try it.

Before attempting healing with the man who suffered from constant migraines, I had only had two past healing experiences and with loved ones.

Only after getting into the story did you mention past healing. You know, sort of like you were making it up as you went along. We've all heard people tell lies like that where new details pop up with each telling. That's what this sounds like.

Now you are being ridiculous. You are over-analyzing the sequence of words. Did I mention I do have affidavits?

Right. This "suicidal" man had been suffering from migraines for some period of time (it varies with each telling). Only now he was suicidal. So suicidal that he decided to "start rowing" as a form of exercise - a common behavior of those so despondent they are considering death as an out.

The man has been suffering from migraines since the age of 6 and he is now 56. What do you mean "only now" was he suicidal? After receiving the treatment from me the relief was immediate. He started rowing one week after the treatment because he was feeling better and was becoming more active.

Let's see, what's next...

He's been suffering for over I'm not sure how many years and getting progressively worse to the point where he had migraines 3 times per week. How many did he get per week 500 weeks ago? Where's his headache diary that he surely must have been keeping if he's been suffering that long? You make no mention of it because it doesn't exist, most likely because this person doesn't exist.

He's been suffering for 50 years now. He was at a constant upward slope with his condition worsening continuously. Meeting with me coincided with a very dramatic and immediate improvement. Coincidence? Or not? I will attempt to heal other migraine sufferers to find out if this can happen again.

Jim! He never told me about a migraine diary and I didn't know to ask because I didn't know anything much about migraines! I will e-mail him and ask if he has a migraine diary. The man does exist, careful with expressing your false assumptions as fact it is starting to add up. Did I mention I have affidavits?

What you fail to understand is that the proper course of action with someone who is suicidal is to get them to a mental health professional ASAP. Laypersons have no business pretending to "cure" people considering suicide. That's very serious.

What I told him was that the treatment I was about to give is to be considered ridiculous, useless, and nonsense. It is not illegal to visualize healing or to give a headache sufferer a gentle massage on their head and neck. It is also not illegal to give suicidal or other suffering people hugs. Meanwhile he had been getting acupuncture and poked with needles into his body and charged big money for it.

Let's see...

* You said his migraines got worse "over the years."

* You said, "For 10-15 years he had been getting continually worse."

* Now you are saying he has had them since age 6 (50 years).

His migraines started when he was 6. Over the past 10-15 years they were gradually becoming more frequent and severe. Both facts are true.

That's either a delusion or a deliberate lie. You cannot see inside the skull. When you imagine sending light into someone, that's just your imagination. I've been saying all along it's just your imagination. You aren't actually doing anything.

It is no more a delusion than synesthesia is. It is an actual perception but the question is is it based on information gathered from another body. I am not lying, I am describing what I perceive and what I do. And we don't know whether it does something or not, I intend to try to treat other migraine sufferers to see if it has the same coincidental effect.

Sure! You dramatically changed this guy's life around. His family is so grateful to you. Thing is, I don't believe this story for a moment. I really don't. I don't think anyone here believes it is 100% truthful.

Affidavits, anyone? It is a true story, and I am the one who is finding it hard to believe! But the effects that coincided with the treatment seem to be real.

For over 20 years I have suffered from periodic migraines and have known others with the same affliction. From what I have learned I'm not atypical in that they come and go. Sometimes I'll go for months without one. Other times I'll get several of them over a very short period of time.

He was having constant migraines and they weren't coming and going. He was at a 10-15 year upward slope of worsening condition.

If the guy has had them for 50 years, surely you're not saying this is the very first time he's ever had a month with only a few. You even told us that the guy has tried "every medication" and has had temporary limited success. So, why would he declare his life changed and express his gratitude because he had one month of reduced migraines? It makes no sense.

His condition had become only worse for 10-15 years. Then there was a sudden dramatic improvement that coincided with the treatment. If you were to graph that, it would look pretty interesting with a fairly constant upward slope, and then a sudden immediate drop to a lower level.

For some people, exercise is a trigger, especially upper body exercises. It can make things much worse. For some it helps. You shouldn't give advice when you don't know anything about the subject.

I was just consider whether he had had any other changes in his life and rowing was the only one. Besides he only started rowing one week after the treatment because he was feeling better.

Then why did you contact me via Skype to share the story, then agree to have it posted on the Internet? It's all about you.

It is not about me this time. It is about migraine sufferers.

Disrespectful to you? Yes. I have very little respect for you. For the character in your fantasy I have lots of respect and empathy, assuming he's a real person. Truth is, I seriously doubt the guy exists or if he does, the story happened like you said.

He is a real person.

If he were truly suicidal, he should have been referred to a professional. If your story is 100% accurate, that is my objection to your actions.

I am sure his family takes care of his personal and emotional life. I only met with him for about an hour and he was in a good mood then and I was not about to refer him anywhere then.

 

[Audible Click]

Anita, have you ever taken the time to read all of your posts in all of the VfF threads, from beginning to end? If you would do this you'd see a marked difference in the way you are behaving. Many people on this forum and UY's forum have expressed concern about your mental health. You're claims are becoming more and more bizarre. I know that you feel that you're perfectly fine but if outsiders can (people on both forums) see you spiraling down into some sort of mental illness, it would be well worth your while to take a look at your past and present behaviour. To not do this simply reinforces the belief that, some posters hold, of you being a fraud.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I posted these e-mails in the other thread but they were considered off topic and deleted by the moderators. I will be posting exclusively in this thread from now on.

E-mail from me to the man I attempted to heal who was suffering from constant migraines, another topic omitted, July 9:

Dear [Name],

I was so pleased to hear that your condition had greatly improved. I still can hardly believe it, but, if you say it's true... I would still like to see you at least one more time to continue with the treatment at the back of the neck and on either side of the upper spine. I would love to hear of any updates in your migraine situation, if you feel like sharing.

[...] First of all I would like you to confirm and be entirely honest about it: did your condition really improve after seeing me? Did you really have only three migraines within the month that followed? And were they not as severe? [...] If you were only pulling my leg here, now is the time to tell me! And I won't be mad! I just find this very unbelievable, that's all.

[...] And, once again, if you did not experience a great improvement in your migraine condition after seeing me, please do tell, or I am about to make a fool out of myself and possibly cause distress to all these other people!

Anyhow, if you are feeling better, then I'm glad that you are. No matter what caused it.

Take care,
Anita

His reply to me on July 10:

Hi Anita,

Hope all is well with you. What I have told you about my relief from migraines after your treatments 1 and 2 are true. I'm not pulling any legs here. I am taking the same medicines that I told you about and I am exercising (rowing) every morning. Overall, I feel really good.

I've had one moderate headache on Tuesday of this week. I took a pill (Zomig) to end it. [other topic omitted]

Take care,
[Name]

 

[desertgal]

I posted these e-mails in the other thread but they were considered off topic and deleted by the moderators. I will be posting exclusively in this thread from now on.

E-mail from me to the man I attempted to heal who was suffering from constant migraines, another topic omitted, July 9:



His reply to me on July 10:

Oh, well, that's definitely proof.