Vision From Feeling - Results from 'study'

[Skeptical Greg]

I would love to acquire pure uncrushed samples of the pills that were used in order to have a reference by which to compare what I feel from Pup's prepared samples.

I bet you would ! But, you are kidding, right ?

" I can see through walls, but would you mind telling me what's on the other side first, so I can check the accuracy of what I'm seeing ?"

It's unbelievable that you expect anyone to take you seriously..

 

[Akhenaten]

Well darn it! I was going to type "What Ashles said", but MK will call me names if I do.


I'll have to be content with

 

[TSR]

Provide the results of the analysis of Pup's pill experiment (even if the result are that she simply couldn't detect anything)
I would love to acquire pure uncrushed samples of the pills that were used in order to have a reference by which to compare what I feel from Pup's prepared samples. Two of the medical substances I have never encountered before, and I am not sure about how to identify the others. I feel that I can not conclude anything on Pup's test other than that I would love to be able to follow it through but need the reference material.

Simplicity itself: go to any drug or grocery store, and check the shelves. Since you can see into objects, the packaging should pose no barrier at all to your checking the various remedy's vibrational energy, and comparing them to the samples you recieved.

HTH. HAND.

 

[Pup]

Two of the medical substances I have never encountered before, and I am not sure about how to identify the others.

Well, you could just identify them the way you claim to be able to do with any other medical substance, as you explained here and here. In those posts, you used calcium carbonate as an example. Calcium carbonate is one of the pills.

If all you can identify is the effect of the pill on the human body, then do that, look up what effect the medicines have, and match each effect with each pill. Which substance reduces fever? That's the aspirin. Which relieves decongestion of the nose. That's the phenylephrine. And so forth.

Do you still believe you can do what you claimed in those posts?

 

[TheSkepticCanuck]

Provide the results of the analysis of Pup's pill experiment (even if the result are that she simply couldn't detect anything)
I would love to acquire pure uncrushed samples of the pills that were used in order to have a reference by which to compare what I feel from Pup's prepared samples. Two of the medical substances I have never encountered before, and I am not sure about how to identify the others. I feel that I can not conclude anything on Pup's test other than that I would love to be able to follow it through but need the reference material.

Since you have claimed to see at the molecular / quantum level, all you need to do is to describe the molecular structure of each sample, and Pup, or anyone else here with a good knowledge of chemistry, can verify your answers by looking up the chemical structures of the compounds and comparing them to what you 'see'.

Seems simple enough to me if you can actually do what you claim to be able to do.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Survey notes posted

The survey notes of the survey I did in January 3 are now posted on my website at www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html Enjoy.

*Note: The notes say that the survey took place on January 2nd, whereas I have written down elsewhere that it would take place on January 3rd. I regret this discrepancy even if it only involves an uncertainty of one day, however I suspect that it was more likely the case of the 3rd since that was a Saturday, but I could be wrong. I apologize for this.

 

[Akhenaten]

The survey notes of the survey I did in January 3 are now posted on my website at www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html Enjoy.

*Note: The notes say that the survey took place on January 2nd, whereas I have written down elsewhere that it would take place on January 3rd. I regret this discrepancy even if it only involves an uncertainty of one day, however I suspect that it was more likely the case of the 3rd since that was a Saturday, but I could be wrong. I apologize for this.

Great Ramesses Ghost! Is it eventually already?

Just to clear up the date, it was 3 January, as stated by you in post #990 of the closed thread. I don't think I'm supposed to quote from there, but I will note that my clarification here is shorter that your *note above, and yet manages to convey the relevant facts.


I am unable to comment on the content of The Survey notes as I'm unable to read the scanned handwritten notes (not your fault), and the linked page containing the typed transcription is truncated after the third paragraph.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Akhenaten,

I am unable to comment on the content of The Survey notes as I'm unable to read the scanned handwritten notes (not your fault), and the linked page containing the typed transcription is truncated after the third paragraph.

Yes. Yesterday was finally 'eventually'. I did expect there to be a lot of people who can't read my handwriting. So I typed the page that is linked to on my website, www.visionfromfeeling.com/surveynotes.html
All survey notes are now available on that page.

Remember that the little pages on www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html that show the seven survey notes are links, you can click on them to open them in their own page, and then click on those again to magnify them.

 

[Locknar]

I am unable to comment on the content of The Survey notes as I'm unable to read the scanned handwritten notes (not your fault), and the linked page containing the typed transcription is truncated after the third paragraph.

You are not missing anything...lots of "I feel nervous about doing this" type comments, and obvious conclusions (elderly people with typical elderly type problems, etc).

Ultimately, totally pointless notes to a totally pointless survey.

 

[Akhenaten]

<some content has been removed from this quotation of the original post in order to preserve focus and maintain relevance to the point that I wish to address>


Remember that the little pages on www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html that show the seven survey notes are links, you can click on them to open them in their own page, and then click on those again to magnify them.

Thank you Anita, but as it turns out I have some familiarity with web pages. I dare say I was writing hyperlinks before you had your first pepparkaka.



ETA:

<some content has been removed from this quotation of the original post in order to preserve focus and maintain relevance to the point that I wish to address>


So I typed the page that is linked to on my website, www.visionfromfeeling.com/surveynotes.html

Yes, I know. Otherwise I would not have been able to make the comment about the linked page that I did. I see now that you have added to it since I posted.



I noes how to wurk teh internetz, kthxbai.

 

[Akhenaten]

You are not missing anything...lots of "I feel nervous about doing this" type comments, and obvious conclusions (elderly people with typical elderly type problems, etc).

Ultimately, totally pointless notes to a totally pointless survey.

OK, well, when I say Unable to Read™ what I mean is that after Googling how to operate hyperlinks and opening the pages and then consulting the Microsoft and Adobe Help Centres to establish the best method of zooming in on a page using my Photoshop^® application, I had some difficulty in making out all the words, particularly on the later pages.




One thing I DID make out was a definition on the last page which may be useful in another thread.


VfF Survey Notes, 3 January 2009, Page 5, Lines 19-21

2 sec. is looking.
3 sec. is staring.
4 sec. is rude and I won't do it!

Hmm

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Locknar,

You are not missing anything...lots of "I feel nervous about doing this" type comments, and obvious conclusions (elderly people with typical elderly type problems, etc).

Ultimately, totally pointless notes to a totally pointless survey.

And that is part of why it took me so long to post them, I knew they weren't "breakthrough material". But they are what they are. I will be adding my comments and conclusions about them soon. The survey was however not pointless, I learned a lot about my claimed unusual experience and it brings me further in this investigation.

Akhenaten,

Thank you Anita, but as it turns out I have some familiarity with web pages.

Oh I wasn't intending that comment to you specificly, I was thinking of some others who might not know how to access or magnify the documents.

I dare say I was writing hyperlinks before you had your first pepparkaka.

What's this? First this, now pepparkakor (=gingerbread cookies).

 

[Akhenaten]

What's this? First this, now pepparkakor (=gingerbread cookies).

We are, I think for the most part, seekers of knowledge on this forum.

Some are looking for love in all the wrong places, so to speak, but that does little to affect the awesome collective knowledge available.

Occasionally you will find that some posters are partial to serving up little reminders of the depth and breadth of that knowledge.

'tis a cautionary tale for those who might stray into the temptation of hyperbole and other such vexations.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

I have no idea what Akhenaten said and how that relates to pepparkakor.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Jeff Corey's True Colors

First this, on this page, where he calls me the "ultimate drama queen" for having been suicidal after a difficult personal experience which I had to explain here to avoid being called a liar.

Then he brings the topic up again as a personal attack, to which I choose to respond in a PM:

Jeff,
Why are you turning to personal attacks? What is wrong with you? Do you think that just because you are behind a computer and not in front of people who are in the same room with you that you can say anything you like and be as rude as you like to others? Would you say these things if I was in the same room with you? Are you really that rude in person, or is it only on the internet where perhaps things don't seem as "real" to you as in real life?

I would like to kindly ask you to stop trying to harass me. There is no reason to go to personal insults. I am a paranormal claimant, yes, but that doesn't allow you to engage in some sort of "modern witch hunt" just because I have an unusual experience of medical perception and choose to come here to discuss it with others and to engage in scientific inquiry into my experience.

Please refrain from further personal attack. Perhaps you have a social disorder in which you are unable to feel empathy or compassion toward others and find that it is ok to try to harass others.

One more and I report you.

To which Dear Jeff replies,

You stupid cow, how dare you to threaten me. **** off.

To which I reply,

Jeff... what on earth is wrong with you? You insult me on the Forum, and when I kindly ask you to stop, you start with this? I'm quite disappointed. I'm a reasonable girl, even after all the harshness you've shown toward me, I'm still talking with you on the Forums, listening to your advice, and treating you with kindness. Why can't you please stop being upset with me? I don't want any enemies. Why are you doing all of this?

VFF

Is this what some Skeptics think Skepticism toward Paranormal Claimants is all about?

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

VFF, the bottom line is that you obfuscate, cherrypick your "facts", avoid legitimate tests, run from direct questions and produce NOTHING.

S cientific
C laims
A mid
M eaningless
E ndless
D rivel

 

[Akhenaten]

Anita, I thought you were doing well, and I was hoping that your interaction with a few other paranormal claimants would be of great value to you.

The above exchange, and it's publication are steps backwards and won't end well. Please reconsider.

 

[fromdownunder]

I don't know if publicly revealing the content of PMs without the consent of both parties is allowable on this Forum, but if it is, then this Forum would be unique among all the ones I have visited.

Norm

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Blah, you guys. I'm working on my investigation. Impatience is all I see from you. Besides, even if I were guilty of all the things you Skeptics don't like it wouldn't allow a person to cross the line to rudeness and personal attack. Stop defending the guy's behavior.

fromdownunder,

I don't know if publicly revealing the content of PMs without the consent of both parties is allowable on this Forum, but if it is, then this Forum would be unique among all the ones I have visited.

Yes Hon, it is perfectly ok to post private PM material here on the Forum. Here's an example:

Ashles posted long excerpts from my PM to him, here, after I had repeatedly stated on the Forum that I did not wish to answer his question and had even started this particular PM which he was now revealing to everyone, with,

Dear Ashles,
I understand your interest in my claims of having something of potential real-world application in my unusual perceptions, but I can not discuss this openly or on the thread.

And he also said,

N.B. - Nothing in the PM was of a personal nature and I have explained to Anita that I will reproduce any sections of PMs I feel are relevant to claims.
I totally understand if she chooses not to PM me in future - in fact I would prefer it if communication remained in the thread, especially if, like this, it involves matters directly relevant to issues discussed on the thread.

To which I said,

As a courtesy I would have hoped that you would have understood that for me to choose to send something to you in PM means that I have a personal reason not to want to share the information publicly on the thread. I would have preferred you not sharing this information on the thread. (...) I only sent you this information to further explain why I choose not to share details about my ideas of vibrational information publicly on the thread, since you have expressed continuous urgency to understand the reasons behind that choice, but you have (unwillingly I'm sure) misused my intentions.

And,

I am disappointed that you would post content from a private message publicly here on the thread. I am very disappointed with you and unhappy with your decision to do so.

And I also say,

That is for me to decide what content I consider to be personal nature to me. I have already asked that we not involve my university in our discussions and you are continuing to disregard my feelings.

After which I learned,

As I said there - do not assume PMs are in any way protected or sacrosanct. I will exercise my own discretion as to what I reproduce on the thread. (...) What, did you expect me to just accept your new stories in a PM, then not refer to them on the main thread and also to then stop questioning your strange requirements for secrecy?

And,

If I wish to post the entire content of any PM I have been sent which directly relates to the background of the paranormal claim you have made, I will do so.

Wordcount: Ashles posted 72 words direct quote from PM.
I posted 10 words direct quote from PM. (Or 9, if **** is not a word.)

Phew. So it's obviously ok.

 

[Jeff Corey]

Yeah, it's OK by me, too.
By the way, Anita, stop harassing me or I will report you to the Bovine Bureau of Intelligence.