Vision From Feeling - Results from 'study'

[Skeptical Greg]

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So, can you see moles under clothing. Easy enough to put into test.

Extremely easy ..

Just like sensing bacteria in opaque containers, or various gasses in transparent ones.
How about the chemical make-up of crushed pills?

All things that VFF claims she can do, but will not submit to controlled tests.

VFF could walk away with a mil, in a heartbeat, if she could really do what she claims...

The violin player, refuses to play.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

That would be so easy to test. Why not try it?

What in particular do you think would be easy to test? I gave several examples in that post. And yes, that would be so easy to test, I am quite good at detecting all of the above that I mentioned in that post. They are, you could say, my specialty.

I don't have a hard time believing that you form an image. I have a problem believing that that image would reflect what that person actually looks like, inside or out.

And that is why we need to test for correlation. You see, I am not immediately assuming that my images are based on reality as opposed to being subjective impressions. Especially now when I notice my synesthesia with regard to chemical elements and physics equations is growing stronger it makes me stronger suspect that perhaps the medical images are also some form of synesthesia. Chemical synesthesia, and physics synesthesia. However I have yet not encountered a single verified incorrect medical perception! Am I subconsciously reading external clues that translate into corresponding visual and felt understanding of health information? Or am I really sensing the vibrational patterns just like I experience it as? How do I know that a woman has significant cysts of the internal reproductive system? Lactobacillus supplement in the stomach? That a skull was once crushed severely from the top? Very specific descriptions of how a person is feeling from the inside of their body, in cases where there are definitely no external symptoms? Or that Wayne has an adam's apple?

It is still a mystery. And I want to find out.

I can imagine all kinds of stuff about someones body, but you claim that you can see things that are really in or on that person (via paranormal means) and you are not just imagining what someone looks like,

If it is imagination it is involuntary and automatic such. The images form on their own without my effort. What I find interesting is that the perceived medical information often contradicts with my logical assumptions about a person's health. Often I detect something that you could never guess just by looking at the person or observing them! Things that when you look at the person with ordinary eyesight and apply logic you say to yourself that it couldn't possibly be true. But so far, I haven't been incorrect. I really need to gain more experience with these medical perceptions and also in properly documented cases and witnessed by other persons rather than to keep posting the same old anecdotes over and over again. We need new material in order to proceed.

When I look at a person with plain eyesight and without the medical perceptions I could imagine their health but I find that a difficult thing to do. As a scientist science student I don't like guesswork or the uncertainty involved. I need to base my predictions on something that is not vague. I clearly experience a strong distinction between my ordinary and normal means of describing the world, and with that which forms the medical perceptions. They are not one and the same.

So, can you see moles under clothing. Easy enough to put into test.

Oh that would be a wonderfully easy test to put together! Unfortunately I do not see everything. *Of course*, the Skeptics say. Here's how it is:

Medical perceptions either come to me on their own, or I choose to have them form. When medical perceptions come to me on their own it is easy, the health problem is already centered and consists of the clearest information that is the easiest to detect. Everything in the body and about the body has a different vibrational aspect according to my perception, and more severe health problems have a stronger signature than does healthy tissue. Also, structures that are to me unusual or uncommon will also stand out. Other than the information that comes on its own, I can also choose to search the body. If I learn the generalized vibrational signature of a mole I can superimpose this with the vibrational information of the entire body and look for matches by resonance. The resonance creates a very specific "magnetic" feel that tells me there is a match. And I can then go to that area to look closer. But, something like a mole is probably difficult. I will definitely look into this possibility and not assume that I couldn't do it. It would make a very easy test, even though I doubt that moles would produce a strong enough vibrational signature. It is a good idea though! It will be considered!

ETA: I have also considered something much simpler. Since I claim to detect also what a person is feeling, why not induce the information that needs to be detected! Such as that one person has an icecube in their hand, or one is pinched on the fingertip with a needle. I am still interested in a test that involves "who has to go to the bathroom" - not to be confused with this, or this. Mm, the science of the JREF.

PS. "Who has to go to the bathroom" is included in my upcoming study.

ETA: It is actually another of my specialties. When people have a need to urinate it forms a very strong signature in terms of feeling, while, I would think, providing no external symptoms. I clearly sense the expanded state of the bladder, and all the other sensations that the person has that are involved. I never miss it. It is a valid topic of consideration for this investigation.

Evidence? I, for one, have pictured many a woman naked. However, I have never done so involuntarily. No one has ever told me that they see images like that involuntarily.

Aha! It is not involuntary! And you guys have us women think that it is.

Once again, are you prepared to take the steps necessary to falsify your claim?

Ooh yes. And that is what I am working toward.

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

Jozen-Bo, I also agree that your claim and mine do not come about in the same way, ie. they are not the same thing. You use vision as the source of information, whereas I experience myself as using vibrational information that is felt and that then translates into visual and other forms of felt information, which is why I call it Vision from Feeling. I would not want to alter my senses during the time of the investigation, so at the time being I am not interested in your techniques of sensory enhancement.

So does this mean that when you examined Wayne for the FACT "study," you didn't choose to look at the surface of his body? Otherwise you would have seen his scar right? And if that is so, when you were involved in a study that could be very important to you, why wouldn't you examine every single facet of his surface and interior?

Very good point. Once I had been told that he has a significant scar at the diaphragm after the viewing with Wayne was over I made sure to ask whether he himself feels any lasting discomfort or sensation from that area and whether there is any lasting damage to the body, and he said no, that he had fully recovered. Scar tissue as such has a very low vibrational signature, it is not in pain, inflamed or warm, generally does not constrict blood flow or cause re-mapping of the blood vessels in an abnormal pattern, or produce nerve damage. So there is often very little to detect scars by. As for when I detected cardiac bypass scar on the chest there was a thick cartilagenous scar tissue vertically across the chest so that is what I sensed it by. I did not search for scars in Wayne, in fact I did not even look at the surface of his body. This reading was just a preliminary part of the study in which there was no format to be followed. In the upcoming study there will be a list of ailments on a questionnaire and I will know to look for each of those specific things, so if I miss something that is on the list then, then that will be more suspicious toward a non-ability.

To examine every single thing inside and out would take me a very long time. I can do it, but I was expecting the common ailments in this particular reading, so I was looking at the internal organs, bones, and other common sites. A scar at the diaphragm is very unusual, so I did not know to look there! And it wasn't strong enough to catch my attention all on its own!

VFF could walk away with a mil, in a heartbeat, if she could really do what she claims...

Wow, I haven't even thought of that... If I would win the million I would invite all of you Skeptics who have been so devoted to my investigation in spite of the slow progress and get everyone together and celebrate. Everyone would get a free psychic-MRI of course.

 

[Kariboo]

yes if I wanted I could choose to look at a person only on the surface. I can choose what area of the body and how deep and also what magnification. <snip>. But I can choose, and "look around".

<snip> At times when I'm bored I can spend time looking into people's bodies, just like some of us like to just look at the clouds drifting by. It is a good pass-time.

I am quite good at detecting all of the above that I mentioned in that post. They are, you could say, my specialty.

So in the above quotes you say that you have this ability at will

And then:

I can also choose to search the body. If I learn the generalized vibrational signature of a mole I can superimpose this with the vibrational information of the entire body and look for matches by resonance. The resonance creates a very specific "magnetic" feel that tells me there is a match. And I can then go to that area to look closer. But, something like a mole is probably difficult.

You claim that it is difficult and you are not sure you can do so.

A lot of your post consists of you describing what you think is the mechanism for your ability. However you have yet to prove there IS an ability. Deciding how it works comes later.

I am sure you have some friends hanging around. Take a look at their arms or legs and decide if you sense a mole or scar. make a little drawing of where you see the mole/scare and ask them to roll up their pant or shirtsleeve and check. It will only take a couple of minutes. That will give you an idea if you are indeed able to "zoom in" on their outer skin layer. If you are not able to do so your ability does not work on that level and you will have to drop the part of your claim that states you can see what someones surface looks like. If you are able to do so you are ready to do a test with people that are unknown to you.

 

[desertgal]

Several Skeptics here have a hard time accepting that the fact that when I see a person it forms images of their body automatically in my mind.

Well, that's not exactly true, is it? You now agree that your perceptions could be subjective impressions and/or imagination-yet condemn skeptics for their failure to accept your unproven claims as fact. Go figure.

Don't condemn the skeptics. They WILL accept your claimed abilities as fact - when they are indisputably proven to be fact.

Some Skeptics are saying that this sounds like mental illness or delusion, or that I am lying about it or conducting a scam.

• You have consistently refused to objectively analyze any single one of your past perceptions.
• You have consistently refused to accept any other objective analysis offered about any of the claims you have made on this forum, or the anecdotal examples you have offered.
• You have consistently refused to offer any objective data about your past perceptions, or, in the case of Wayne and your 'survey', gather any objective data that might reveal your claimed abilities to be anything other than paranormal.
• You have consistently refused to accept any suggested protocol that doesn't allow you wiggle room-both here and through IIG West.
• You have consistently refused to clarify your claimed abilities-again, both here and with IIG West, to the point that they stated, in their latest update, that that is the sole reason they have been unable to establish a testing protocol with you.
• You have consistently failed all experiments of your claimed abilities via this forum, and, when confronted with those failures, you consistently refuse to acknowledge them, and simply shift the goalposts to turn every miss into a hit.
• You have consistently stated that you are basing your investigation on unverified, unsubstantiated anecdotes.
• You have made every attempt to dodge and delay your proposed 'study', and avoid controlled testing. When confronted with your delaying tactics, you simply shift the goalposts and condemn the skeptics as being "impatient". We couldn't be impatient for something that is never going to happen.
• You have not conclusively ruled out mental illness via examination by a qualified therapist.
• You have offered other unsubstantiated, unverified claims that have seriously damaged your credibility (i.e. your description of an 'encounter' with the ghost of Benjamin Franklin which turned the erudite founding father into the colonial version of Jeff Spiccoli, and which was, when examined against the established facts of Franklin's life, largely discredited by more than one skeptic here.)

Please explain how the above eliminates the possibility that you are delusional, dishonest, or simply attempting to run a scam?

I can believe that there are pink fluffy elephants dancing on my roof. I can come here and make that claim. I can 'investigate' my subjective reality that there are pink fluffy elephants dancing on my roof. But, without indisputable proof that a) there are pink fluffy elephants in the world; and b) that a portion of them are doing the Charleston on my shingles, it would not be unreasonable for skeptics here to conclude that my claim was the result of my imagination, a mental instability, or simply a lie.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Once again, let's clear up a few things:

What you describe is not synesthesia. Nothing in the literature remotely resembles what you describe. You are making up terms like "chemical synesthesia" and "physics synesthesia" that have no meaning to anyone but yourself.

You claim that you're not sure if your abilities are based on reality, but as many of us have pointed out repeatedly, your actions betray your words. Your website is full of all sorts of outlandish claims that refer to your ability as fact. You are not objective about this in the least. You treat your abilities is real and only pay lip service to being objective.

You did not answer my question about people seeing involuntary images absent objective stimuli. Please stop with the jokes and smilies and discuss this like an adult. What evidence do you to support your claim that others involuntarily and routinely see imagery that does not exists in physical world?

You have yet to respond to the very serious questions in the moderated Interview thread. You have had ample time to do so (several weeks). Why are you avoiding it? Please do claim a lack of time because it is evident to everyone here that you have spent enormous amounts of time making other posts.

Furthermore, this thread is rapidly duplicating the original VFF thread in which you wrote tens of thousands of words describing all sorts of unproven abilities. You are not offering anything new. Your "study" protocol is a joke and has been rejected by FACT and everyone else here. Specifically, what tests are you willing to undertake to disprove any of your numerous claims?

 

[wardenclyffe]

Don't expect to hear from her for the next few hours. She should be at the F.A.C.T. skeptics meeting right now. Hopefully, we'll get a report later tonight.

Ward

 

[Vortigern99]

I must say this has been a very interesting and entertaining thread.

I would also like to offer the opinion that if VFF can do what she claims, then she possesses superhuman powers on the level of a Marvel Comics character, and that such unprecedented and astonishing abilities, if proven to exist, would change not only our understanding of physical reality but also medical science, and the worldwide application thereof, for the remainder of human history.

VFF, good luck on collecting your data. For the sake of humanity and its improvement as a species, I sincerely hope that your claim is true and valid.

 

[Hokulele]

If the digestive system is one of the things you typically notice, an easy protocol would be to have 10 people in a room, one of whom has deliberately swallowed some type of metal capsule (similar to what is used for Capsule Endoscopy). If individual bacteria show up as being out of place, wouldn't this be even more noticeable? You could even make them out of quartz crystal, as you claim to be familiar with its vibrational signature already,