Vision From Feeling 2

[Kuko 4000]

I just had an epiphany. JREF Forum Skeptics are not real Skeptics. It is just full of rude personalities. You guys are ridiculous.

I will take the discussions of my claim elsewhere.

I disagree, but please come back to report when you have conclusive results!

Take care

 

[skeen]

It's like she has only gotten worse. Her reasoning skills are getting poorer and poorer. And in addition to her remarkably illogical conclusions, she still claims to have synesthesia.

It is clear: she wants to have synesthesia. She wants to "perceive" the things she says she does - but wanting doesn't make it so. Except perhaps in her mind, it does.

I don't think these threads have helped her mental state - they may have made it worse. Anita will be content having never proven any of what she claims, just as all the other woo's. And now, more than ever, I believe she she needs psychological treatment.

I believe this is more of a case of pathological lying than actually having hallucinations. I know we shouldn't diagnose the claimants, but at this point it seems the only productive thing to do.

 

[LONGTABBER PE]

Nope.

Read the explanation at www.visionfromfeeling.com/study.html. Unlike many of the JREF Forum Skeptics, I have not posted any hostile or negative posts toward anyone.

Should I stand on a soapbox and announce it to the world?
Nope.
I am not and never have been.
Why don't we ask the moderators what was the real reason why the thread was closed?
"Hostile" is personal attacks etc. that some of you Forum Skeptics are responsible for. I am not a scammer. And I am not avoiding having the claim falsified.
My claim is absolutely fascinating and based on sincere accounts. Of course it is falsifiable, but hasn't been falsified yet.
It is about my unusual experience of perceiving visual and felt health information that correlates with actual health information in persons. And I am working very hard to put the study together and to move forward to a real test.
I am here to discuss the claim and readings and the study and test. I can get the attention I need in my life from elsewhere. From people who are actually loving.
I am talking about my paranormal claim and investigation.
What the h*ll is wrong with you? I am not a liar, not a fraud, not a hoax. The focus is on the experience of medical perceptions. Skeptics are the most valuable resource I have in investigating my claim. And I won't want anyone to believe in me without the evidence to back it up. All I am asking is for tolerance toward that I believe in my anecdotal experiences, which were not documented or turned into evidence in the past.

I'm sorry I never saw that suggestion before. It is a very good one, but I would have to open the packages.

Sorry but this doesnt wash and the facts do not support your meaningless ranting in an attempt to further obfuscate the facts.

The difference is that I have been doing this professionally for longer than you have been on this Earth. I can see and know the difference between a legitimate investigation, a legitimate investigation done badly and an outright scam. ( I've dealt with all 3 in my career)

>>>I am not and never have been.

read in your own threads, you have been caught red handed too many times

>>>Why don't we ask the moderators what was the real reason why the thread was closed?

I did ask 1 and it was basically closed because the legitimate critical thinkers started calling your hand and it escalated from there. They were not wrong then and they arent wrong now. Nothing has changed.

>>>"Hostile" is personal attacks etc. that some of you Forum Skeptics are responsible for. I am not a scammer. And I am not avoiding having the claim falsified.

You brought any "hostile" postings upon yourself by your own conduct. Accorfing to your own claims, you started about 20 odd MONTHS ago with the other org then here and FACT. A 6th grader could have done a legitimate test faster.

The first step in any test is to establish there is something valid to test in the first place. Thats what you avoid at all points very strategically and consistently. You want acceptance that you "have the power" then bog it down in measuring it. Its no different than any infomercial.

>>>My claim is absolutely fascinating and based on sincere accounts. Of course it is falsifiable, but hasn't been falsified yet.

It hasnt been verified to exist yet either. ( dont put the cart before the horse) The reason it hasnt been falsified is because you duck every attempt to do so. We both know why this is.

>>>It is about my unusual experience of perceiving visual and felt health information that correlates with actual health information in persons. And I am working very hard to put the study together and to move forward to a real test.

Yeah, 20+ months and counting. We built the Atom Bomb faster.

>>>I am here to discuss the claim and readings and the study and test. I can get the attention I need in my life from elsewhere. From people who are actually loving.

No, you are here for self publicity and to feed your ego and agenda. See, I dont need to know your true motives to know that you have them. ( even in court, its nice and wonderful to have a motive for the jury but not necessary in the face of the facts- they generally speak for themselves) It could be anything from you "truly believe" and want attention/recognition as someone "unique" to future plans that have yet to materialize. It matters not which end of the scale is true.

Your ACTS ( or rather deliberate lack of legitimate attempts) is what is so telling.

>>>What the h*ll is wrong with you? I am not a liar, not a fraud, not a hoax. The focus is on the experience of medical perceptions.

Nothing is wrong with me. I'm simply calling a spade a spade. It is what it is. You have no demonstrated ability of any kind so the "focus' is on you.


>>>Skeptics are the most valuable resource I have in investigating my claim.

I'm not a textbook "skeptic". I'm a degreed scientist and professional. I know how a good and proper research project is structured and conducted. I also make a part of my living critiquing them and cutting them to pieces.

>>>And I won't want anyone to believe in me without the evidence to back it up.

Thats why your "study" and belief level is at a solid zero. You have no EVIDENCE- just meaningless claims.

>>>All I am asking is for tolerance toward that I believe in my anecdotal experiences, which were not documented or turned into evidence in the past.

Not a chance. FACTS and EVIDENCE are not vested in "belief"- they are vested in testing and conclusions drawing to an end. They dont "turn" into something they are not and never have been.

 

[Moochie]

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desertgal, if I haven't done so already, I'd like to nominate your avatar as being the best on the entire forum. It makes me laugh whenever I see it.


M.

 

[desertgal]

It's like she has only gotten worse. Her reasoning skills are getting poorer and poorer. And in addition to her remarkably illogical conclusions, she still claims to have synesthesia.

It is clear: she wants to have synesthesia. She wants to "perceive" the things she says she does - but wanting doesn't make it so. Except perhaps in her mind, it does.

I don't think these threads have helped her mental state - they may have made it worse. Anita will be content having never proven any of what she claims, just as all the other woo's. And now, more than ever, I believe she she needs psychological treatment.

I believe this is more of a case of pathological lying than actually having hallucinations. I know we shouldn't diagnose the claimants, but at this point it seems the only productive thing to do.

In fairness, I would say, IF there is a mental disorder, that Anita is subject to delusions rather than hallucinations, and her need to cling to the delusions leads to the lying and attempts to scam people into believing that she is extraordinary. No, these threads probably haven't helped her - but she certainly had the choice to not come here. And, surely, with this thread, we all did the right thing in not indulging her fantasy.

Ultimately, though, her motivations make no difference to the end result. She's either doing this to perpetuate delusions, or as a stepping stone to gain a foothold in the woo economy, or for attention - or, most likely, all three.

Either way, I don't disagree that she needs help. If she's willing to go to these lengths to perpetuate delusions or perpetuate an intentional scam, talking to a therapist would be a good thing to do. I doubt she will, though. Her arrogance seems to get in her way a lot.

 

[desertgal]

desertgal, if I haven't done so already, I'd like to nominate your avatar as being the best on the entire forum. It makes me laugh whenever I see it.


M.

Be my guest.

We have a running family joke that when one of us does something stupid, we need a slap with a steak. (We're kinda weird.) My husband found that avatar for me, and it makes me laugh, too.

ETA: (Well, he's weird. I'm simply unique.)

 

[Moochie]

I just had an epiphany. JREF Forum Skeptics are not real Skeptics. It is just full of rude personalities. You guys are ridiculous.

I will take the discussions of my claim elsewhere.

Please do so. Failing that, I'd suggest all threads pertaining to you and your claims be moderated.


M.

 

[Moochie]

She has changed her website a lot check out this latest rubbish..

Besides perceiving images and felt information (texture, shape, temperature, density, weight, and more) of health information from human bodies, I also have other types of perceptions but much less often and in less detail and I have much less experience with them than I do with medical perceptions. I want to primarily test the perceptions on the detection of health information that should not be accessible to ordinary perception. It is with health information I have chosen to test my ability to find out what its actual accuracy is, and whether I might be able to verify an extrasensory ability. Some of the other aspects of the perceptions, I can very clearly sense people's emotions, and know how others are feeling. I will know what people think about me. I can sense the gist of people's thoughts, and sometimes hear the words that they are thinking.
<snipped more gumpf>

OMG! Now she's Sookie Stackhouse!


M.

 

[skeen]

Anita can do it all, can't she? Except when she can't. Which is always. Funny little catch. But she should definitely study her non-ability more, to find out how it doesn't work.

 

[desertgal]

I can very clearly sense people's emotions, and know how others are feeling. I will know what people think about me. I can sense the gist of people's thoughts, and sometimes hear the words that they are thinking.

OMG! Now she's Sookie Stackhouse!


M.

I wonder if she can tell what I'm thinking now.

 

[Locknar]

I just had an epiphany. JREF Forum Skeptics are not real Skeptics. It is just full of rude personalities. You guys are ridiculous.

I will take the discussions of my claim elsewhere.

Just as any other "woo woo" that comes here you are are now playing the "people are being rude/unfair/etc to me card" (ie. the pity card) to cover your shortcomings and as a smoke screen for your inaction.

Equally predictable is the "I'm going to take my toys and play elsewhere" (my paraphrase) comment.

Goodbye.

 

[Kariboo]

I wonder if she can tell what I'm thinking now.

I think I can...

That we are now warmed up and ready for a MDC claimant with a slightly more interesting claim? 'Cause this one was getting stale and boring? Also I am 'sensing' a grouphug!?

Alternatively I can 'feel' ^TM what number you are thinking of, please pick a number between 1 and 3 <insert lengthy and pointless steps> and I will tell you what you were thinking eventually

I will take cash, check or paypal for my million.

 

[desertgal]

I think I can...

That we are now warmed up and ready for a MDC claimant with a slightly more interesting claim? 'Cause this one was getting stale and boring?

Are you downloading my Vibrational Information^TM? I felt something strange, but I thought it was just the bacterial supplement I took this morning.

Also I am 'sensing' a grouphug!?

Does Locknar still get to be in the middle? T'ain't no fun if we can't squash Lock.

Alternatively I can 'feel' ^TM what number you are thinking of, please pick a number between 1 and 3 <insert lengthy and pointless steps> and I will tell you what you were thinking eventually

I will take cash, check or paypal for my million.

Would you settle for a slap with a steak?

 

[Kariboo]

Are you downloading my Vibrational Information^TM? I felt something strange, but I thought it was just the bacterial supplement I took this morning.

Yes, and then i superimposed it on your non skeptical self and when I subtracted those I was left with just your skepticism. The lactobacillae ^SP? that you took this morning also seem to be somewhat skeptical so that is why I already knew you took them, but I didn't mention it before because it was not very important. But I knew ^TM

Does Locknar still get to be in the middle? T'ain't no fun if we can't squash Lock.

Of course, it wouldn't feel the same otherwise

Would you settle for a slap with a steak?

Does that include pepper or mushrooms? I'm a medium /well done girl. Do you hate me now?

 

[VisionFromFeeling]

My understanding of the James Randi Million Dollar Challenge is that the results should be somehow apart from and beyond any interpretation. In other words, you should be able to contact me today, I can set up a test tomorrow, and Monday you should be able to walk past 100 patients in a hospital and identify their illnesses with a near 100% certainty.

So. Do it. Do it, get someone to document it. Do it, or shut up.

Alright, I am contacting you today. Can you set up a test for me, well, not tomorrow but soon, to have me walk past 100 patients in a hospital and identify their illnesses? How near are you North Carolina? I will make the expense of traveling to you if you can arrange for this test in a hospital. I would be quite excited to do this. I hope this wasn't an empty offer, I've been given those before.

VFF

 

[desertgal]

Alright, I am contacting you today. Can you set up a test for me, well, not tomorrow but soon, to have me walk past 100 patients in a hospital and identify their illnesses? How near are you North Carolina? I will make the expense of traveling to you if you can arrange for this test in a hospital. I would be quite excited to do this. I hope this wasn't an empty offer, I've been given those before.

VFF

 

[catbasket]

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I will take the discussions of my claim elsewhere.

[snip]

VFF

Eleven hours, one minute.

What a surprise!

 

[skeen]

As I'm sure you know, it would be extremely difficult, if not relatively impossible to arrange for 100 patients. How about 2 or 3? If you can do it you can do it you can do it. That should be fine, no? Or are you going to say you won't do it unless 100 patients can be gathered, as of course you know this is not realistic?

 

[Kariboo]

Let me quote you:

I still suggest that you find a friend who lives close to you and you try telepathy whatever ^TM you claim with him. And if you are successful with that, contact someone local to you such as a university or the media and offer a demonstration. And if they are impressed <snip> can contact JREF for you.

Excellent, how about you do that?

 

[desertgal]

Does that include pepper or mushrooms?

Neither. They fall off in mid smack. I'm not really sure why, but, then, I'm not a scientist science student. Might be gravity, might be paranormal interference from an extraterrestrial incarnation.