Moderated Views on George Galloway.

[Darth Rotor]

Are you a Zionist?

If not, do you share similar ideologies? Because thats the impression I have gotten so far. I may be mistaken, I dont frequent this section of the forum much.

Praise the Lord

DR

 

[WildCat]

Whatever the afghani people or taliban have to do with 9/11 (err, nothing!) or Al-queda and Bin Laden (err, nothing!),

Wow, so you're a 9/11 conspiracy theorist also?

 

[Zeuzzz]

These are Galloway's champions against the Israelis and or Zionists and or whatever.

No, they are mindless thugs.

Were the people in the clip members of the elected Hamas govenment? I very much doubt it....

 

[Darth Rotor]

No, they are mindless thugs.

Were the people in the clip members of the elected Hamas govenment? I very much doubt it....

I guess you needed to see them wearing brown shirts to get the point.

Carry on, have a few more pints.

DR

 

[Zeuzzz]

Wow, so you're a 9/11 conspiracy theorist also?

ummm, no.

Way to go! Really achieved a lot this post. Stereotype me into a group of 'people' and that resolves everything.

I note you didn't actually address my points, so what exactly did the Taliban have to do with 9/11? Can you provide evidence that they had sufficient links with Bin Laden and supported him so much that their entire country deserved to be invaded?

 

[plumjam]

OK, you definately need to just stop drinking now.
Even Gorgeous George knows when he has had too many.

Pedantic backatcha.

How much do you drink? I'm completely teetotal and always have been, and that's one of the main reasons I'm still going. My father didn't drink and his father before him, and my children after me. I'm glad 10 times a day that I don't drink. I see the effect it has on other people. I've never been tempted - I'm a man of iron will.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2008/jul/27/healthandwellbeing.georgegalloway

Seems like you're talking about stuff, pretending to know about that stuff, while not knowing as much about that stuff as you would like others to believe you know about that stuff.

 

[dudalb]

Wow, so you're a 9/11 conspiracy theorist also?

Surprised?
Check the OPs posting history.He supports a lot of "unusual" ideas.

 

[Zeuzzz]

I guess you needed to see them wearing brown shirts to get the point.

Please elaborate. Supporters of any political party are by no means always representative of the party they support.

 

[Ziggurat]

Supporters of any political party are by no means always representative of the party they support.

Try looking up the Hamas charter sometime. It should give you an idea about what the party stands for.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Check the OPs posting history.He supports a lot of "unusual" ideas.

None of which have been proven wrong.

Apart from all the ones that have Which I am more than happy to admit to. I can list them if you want. But its not many

Its called being a skeptic. And by this you have to be skeptical of every source, and not take peoples proclamations as fact.

 

[WildCat]

I note you didn't actually address my points, so what exactly did the Taliban have to do with 9/11? Can you provide evidence that they had sufficient links with Bin Laden and supported him so much that their entire country deserved to be invaded?

You also in that very post said that al Qaeda and OBL had nothing to do with 9/11 either. As for the Taliban they sheltered al Qaeda and OBL, they allowed them to have terrorist training camps in Afghanistan, and they fight with them.

Please elaborate. Supporters of any political party are by no means always representative of the party they support.

Those weren't "supporters" of Hamas, they were Hamas. That is what Hamas does.

Did you read the story I linked to earlier? This is how Hamas operates, consolidating political power through torture and executions. And your boy Galloway supports them materially.

 

[Zeuzzz]

And your boy Galloway supports them materially.

Untrue. But I didn't expect anything better from you. He just supports them over Israel if having to decide between them both. His sticking up for Hamas and people in palestine during times of war and inhumain suffering is often confused with him being some sort of fervant Hamas sycophant.

 

[WildCat]

Untrue.

Absolutely true. There's even a video of him handing money to Hamas.

But I didn't expect anything better from you. He just supports them over Israel if having to decide between them both. His sticking up for Hamas and people in palestine during times of war and inhumain suffering is often confused with him being some sort of fervant Hamas sycophant.

When he gives speeches where he screams "we are all Hamas" he sure as hell seems like abig supporter. When he hands Hamas money he does also.

Hamas, if it even needs to be said again, is a terrorist group which holds onto its political power through the torture and execution of its political opponents.

Surely Galloway could have found a different Palestinian group to support?

 

[Zeuzzz]

Absolutely true. There's even a video of him handing money to Hamas.

Oh, I really would not be surprised. Your point?

The british people donated thousands of pounds after Israels bombardment of palestine to help the people effected. George is merely one out of multi-thousands of people who gave money to palestinians after the war. Infact, it was him that handed over a lot of the money people donated to the palestinian appeal, even though the BBC refused to air the number to make donations.

When he gives speeches where he screams "we are all Hamas" he sure as hell seems like abig supporter.

He can get rather carried away during his speeches, especially when innocent people are being murdered.

Hamas, if it even needs to be said again, is a terrorist group which holds onto its political power through the torture and execution of its political opponents.

This is quite amuzing, the Israeli intelligence (Mossad) are notorious for their numerous assassinations, torture and murdering of their opponents. So I see no reason to call Hamas terrorists any more than you could call Israel a terrorist state.

Surely Galloway could have found a different Palestinian group to support?

No. He goes with what the people decide, as usual. And they clearly voted for Hamas.

 

[WildCat]

Oh, I really would not be surprised. Your point?

You denied it happened.

The british people donated thousands of pounds after Israels bombardment of palestine to help the people effected. George is merely one out of multi-thousands of people who gave money to palestinians after the war. Infact, it was him that handed over a lot of the money people donated to the palestinian appeal, even though the BBC refused to air the number to make donations.

It's illegal to give it to Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization. That's why he can't go to Canada.

He can get rather carried away during his speeches, especially when innocent people are being murdered.

Yeah, who doesn't praise murderous torturing thugs when they get carried away?

This is quite amuzing, the Israeli intelligence (Mossad) are notorious for their numerous assassinations, torture and murdering of their opponents.

It's not an "assasination" to kill those who are at war with you. Nor is it usual to call those warring with you political opponents, you are being irrational. As for the torture, evidence?

So I see no reason to call Hamas terrorists any more than you could call Israel a terrorist state.

Israel does not target civilians to further their political goals, nor for any other reason. Hamas does. Hamas blows up civilian buses, cafes, schools, pretty much anything they can. They hide weapons in their own schools and mosques. They use human shields to try to prevent attacks on themselves. They hide behind women and children and are indoctrinating an entire generation of Gaza kids to be terrorists. They are despicable scum, as are their supporters like your boy George Galloway.

No. He goes with what the people decide, as usual. And they clearly voted for Hamas.

And now they wonder why they suffer. And with groups like Hamas, you can vote them in but you can't vote them out, can you?

 

[Zeuzzz]

It's illegal to give it to Hamas, an internationally recognized terrorist organization. That's why he can't go to Canada.

As stated above, the rationale for calling Hamas a terrorist organisation, and Israel not one, is predicated on what seems a purely subjective foundation.

Are you honestly saying that all the people in the world including george that donated money to the people suffering in palestine are in some way terrorists? Should long serving MP Tony Benn be banned from Canada (by the racist JDL) for going on the BBC and broadcasting the Gaza appeal number to the british public?

Tony Benn to BBC "If you wont broadcast the Gaza appeal then I will myself"

Yeah, who doesn't praise murderous torturing thugs when they get carried away?

You have taken his quote out of context.

It's not an "assasination" to kill those who are at war with you. Nor is it usual to call those warring with you political opponents, you are being irrational.

There was a brilliant interview the BBC condiucted on their hard-talk programme with an ex head of Mossad. Cant find the link, but there are various transcripts about. Mossads Metsada arm have assassinated and murdered well over 30 people.

Hello and welcome to Hardtalk. I'm David Jessel. My guest today worked for five years, head of the world's most fearsome and ruthless spy agencies, Israel's Mossad. During that time, Mossad planned the assassination of Hamas leaders and the humiliation of Yasser Arafat. Who better to assess the future of the Israeli Palestinian conflict in the aftermath of the Israeli elections?

But be careful when weighing the truth of what he says about peace. Mossad's motto is after all 'by way of deception, thou shalt do war.'

Efraim Halevy, Welcome to Hardtalk. Talk about Mossad being a ruthless organization...you said in a recent interview intelligence agencies spend just as much time seeking peaceful solutions as anything else.

How did the killing of a 68 year old blind man in a wheelchair , Hamas's spiritual leader, how did that fit into seeking peaceful solutions?...

Lets just list the murders they have done since 2000, as a start. From a List of Israeli assassinations http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations

2000s

* November 22, 2000 - Jamal Abdel Raziq, senior official of the Fatah faction Tanzim, is killed with his driver, Awni Dhuheir, when their car is fired upon by IDF troops in Gaza. The IDF troops also killed two innocent bystanders in the car in front of Abdel Raziq -- Sami Abu Laban, 29, a baker, and Na'el Al Leddawi, 22, a student -- in the attack.[6][7]
* February 3, 2001 - Massoud Ayyad, a lieutenant-colonel in Yaser Arafat's Force 17, is killed while driving in the Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza by three helicopter launched rockets.[8]
* July 31, 2001 - Jamal Mansour, a high ranking official of Hamas' West Bank political wing, is killed when his office is struck by helicopter launched missiles.[9]
* August 20, 2001 - Imad Abu Sneneh, the leader of Tanzim, is shot and killed in Hebron by an Israeli team.[10]
* January 14, 2002 - Raed al-Karmi, head of al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades assassinated in Tulkarem.
* July 22, 2002 - Salah Shahade, the leader of Hamas Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades is killed using 2,205 pound of explosive dropped by a F-16. The attack also killed his wife and 9 children.
* March 8, 2003 - Ibrahim al-Makadmeh and three of his aides were killed by helicopter-fired missiles Gaza City
* August 21, 2003 - Ismail Abu Shanab - high ranking Hamas official [11]
* March 22, 2004 - Ahmed Yassin, co-founder and leader of Hamas, and bodyguards are killed in the Gaza Strip when hit by Israeli Air Force AH-64 Apache fired Hellfire missiles.
* April 17, 2004 - Abdel Aziz al-Rantissi, co-founder and leader of Hamas and successor of Ahmed Yassin as leader of Hamas after his death, is killed by helicopter-fired missiles along with his son.
* October 21, 2004 - Adnan al-Ghoul, Hamas weapons expert, and Imad Abbas were killed when an Apache helicopter fired missiles at their car.
* May 25, 2006 - Mahmoud al-Majzoub, a commander of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, was injured in a car bombing in Sidon, Lebanon and died the next day. Islamic Jihad blamed Israel, though Israel denied it.
* June 8, 2006 - Jamal Abu Samhadana was killed by an Israeli airstrike along with at least three other PRC members.[12][13]
* January 16, 2008 - Walid Obeidi, commander of Islamic Jihad's al-Quds Brigade is gunned down by Israeli commandos in the West Bank town of Qabatiya.[14]
* February 12, 2008 - Imad Mughniyah, one of Hezbollah's top commanders, was assassinated by a car bomb in Damascus, Syria. Some news reports indicated the Mossad was responsible,[15] though Israel denied carrying it out.[16].
* August 1, 2008 - Muhammad Suleiman, a Syrian General and top liaison between Syria and Hezbollah, is killed by sniper fire. Israel never takes credit for the killing but is widely suspected.[17][18]
* December 16, 2008 - Jihad Nawahda, a top Islamic Jihad commander, is ambushed and killed by undercover Israeli troops as he enters an internet cafe in the West Bank city of Jenin.[19]
* December 27, 2008 - Tawfiq Jabber, the commander of Hamas' police force in Gaza; Ismail al-Ja'abri, commander of the defense and security directorate; and Abu-Ahmad Ashur, Hamas' Gaza central district governor are all among the Hamas dead in the opening strike of Operation Cast Lead.[20]
* January 1, 2009 - Nizar Rayan, one of the top Hamas military commanders and decision makers, is assassinated in an Israeli air strike, along with his four wives and eleven of their children. He is the most senior Hamas member to be killed since 2004.
* January 3, 2009 - Abu Zakaria al-Jamal, a senior Hamas commander, is killed in an Israeli air strike.[21]
* January 15, 2009 - Said Seyam, the Hamas Interior Minister, is killed in an Israeli air strike that also claimed his brother, his son, and Hamas general security services commander Salah Abu Shrakh.[22]
* March 5, 2009 - Khaled Shalan, a senior member of Islamic Jihad, is killed in an Israeli air strike as retaliation for Palestinian rocket attacks on the Israeli city of Ashkelon.[23]
* May 28, 2009 - Abdel-Majid Uddin, a major Hamas commander in the West Bank, is killed during a raid conducted by the Israeli Special Forces unit YAMAM.[24]
* Others.[25]

Thats not a very good record. I cant see any such list for Hamas, unless you know of such?

As for the torture, evidence?

Torturing people is hardly a big step when you are so used to murdering and assassinating opponents. I cant find any sources for torture, but I bet the mossad use the same illegal techniques as most of the worlds inteligence agencies to get information.

Israel does not target civilians to further their political goals, nor for any other reason. Hamas does. Hamas blows up civilian buses, cafes, schools, pretty much anything they can. They hide weapons in their own schools and mosques. They use human shields to try to prevent attacks on themselves. They hide behind women and children and are indoctrinating an entire generation of Gaza kids to be terrorists. They are despicable scum, as are their supporters like your boy George Galloway.

Evidence? I could say the same things in reverse about Israel I am afraid for nearly all your points....

 

[Zeuzzz]

He's a breath of fresh air in a cesspit.

Thanks. My views entirely.

As a fly in the ointment I like Galloway and we're all the better for it.

I should have put a poll in this thread, support or despise Mr Galloway. I think that it would be quite close.

 

[mortimer]

Way to go! Really achieved a lot this post. Stereotype me into a group of 'people' and that resolves everything.

Please learn what 'stereotype' means.

I am jewish you fool. Both my parents are jewish, and I (although am not an overtly religous person) am technically a jew.

First, please do not call me a fool. It's a violation of your membership agreement. Second, I couldn't care less if you are a Jew or not. Jews are just as capable as any other group to be pulled in by the Troofer nonsense.

Please learn the difference between Israel (a country) and Jews (an entire religion).

I know the difference well. If I didn't, I would not have differentiated between Jews and Israel in my post.

Again, for emphasis: Troofers are idiots. Every last one of them. And it is safe to disregard any position they hold on any (even slightly) tangential subject.

 

[Zeuzzz]

Odd, and there was me thinking that this thread was about George Galloway.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

Galloway? A thoroughly unpleasent individual who seems to stick up for any David fighting against a goliath, no matter how repugnant that David is or however much that David teaches his own kids to blow themselves up.

Thank FSM Bethnal Green will no longer have him as MP next year.