Video Fakery in the 9/11 Attack

[Regnad Kcin]

But you could be right, that there are people who talk amongst themselves about not seeing a plane, but that they are afraid of ridicule from other people if they talk about it openly.

"Afraid of ridicule." Snort.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Hmm... I haven't thought this through apparently...

Ding, ding, ding!

 

[Regnad Kcin]

Forget my idea about that. I hadn't thought it through.

Stop, I'm dyin' over here!

 

[fess]

I'll say it a third time. There is no way I believe for a second that this Anders guy is 'for real'. He's putting everyone on. This is a joke to him... he's just trolling.

I can't believe this thread is 36 pages now, in only 9 days at that. He's here just to get a reaction. He's not interested in actually learning anything. He just wants to argue and probably gets off on the attention.


Pathetic Anders, really pathetic.

I would say that this Anders character is actually Jammonius, except that Anders appears to be dumber, if that is possible.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yes, there are. Here is at least one example: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=6349775&postcount=650

If you're going to tell lies, at least don't be stupid enough to link to the source that demonstrates that they're lies.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Not necessarily. The friends and families could have been told that those on board Flight 175 all died. Pretty cruel, yes, but it's a huge cover-up that has been needed.

Let me jkust remind everyone that your reasoning as to why the coverup was needed goes like this: the government was completely innocent of the attacks, but if they hadn't covered up the identity of the real culprits then the populace would have lost confidence in the combination of government and mass media resulting in the collapse of society. You still haven't explained why the knowledge that a different group of conspirators was responsible would destroy popular confidence in a government that you yourself claim to have been innocent.

Dave

 

[Anders Lindman]

Let me jkust remind everyone that your reasoning as to why the coverup was needed goes like this: the government was completely innocent of the attacks, but if they hadn't covered up the identity of the real culprits then the populace would have lost confidence in the combination of government and mass media resulting in the collapse of society. You still haven't explained why the knowledge that a different group of conspirators was responsible would destroy popular confidence in a government that you yourself claim to have been innocent.

Dave

Because how could the public know that the shadow power group really was separate from the ordinary government? Many people would not trust what the government told them by then, nor trust what mainstream media reported.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Then why do I believe it really was a separate shadow power group that carried out the 9/11 attack as a false flag operation? Because it would have been incredibly stupid of the U.S. government to put themselves in a situation where they were forced to do an enormously messy and large cover-up after the attack.

 

[Architect]

You have nothing other than unsubstantiated and unresearched speculation. Every bit of "evidence" you have cited, from safety factors onwards, has been shown to be wrong.

Are you a performance artist or something similar? Is this an Art School project?

 

[Dave Rogers]

Because how could the public know that the shadow power group really was separate from the ordinary government?

Because the government would expose, try, convict and sentence the individuals responsible, presenting the evidence against them in open court.

Then why do I believe it really was a separate shadow power group that carried out the 9/11 attack as a false flag operation? Because it would have been incredibly stupid of the U.S. government to put themselves in a situation where they were forced to do an enormously messy and large cover-up after the attack.

So they weren't stupid enough to place themselves in a position where they had to cover up their own guilt, but they were stupid enough to take on the precisely equivalent task of covering up somebody else's guilt? Wouldn't it have been simpler just to tell the truth, if they were innocent? Given that, as you should well know, nobody really trusts the government or the mainstream media that much already?

I have to say, you've come up with a whole new dimension on the standard conspiracy theorist assumption that the conspirators are both fiendishly clever and stupidly incompetent; you're now claiming that the government is both sensible enough not to do anything wrong in the first place, and stupid enough to take on the responsibility for covering up something they didn't do.

Dave

 

[Anders Lindman]

Because the government would expose, try, convict and sentence the individuals responsible, presenting the evidence against them in open court.



So they weren't stupid enough to place themselves in a position where they had to cover up their own guilt, but they were stupid enough to take on the precisely equivalent task of covering up somebody else's guilt? Wouldn't it have been simpler just to tell the truth, if they were innocent? Given that, as you should well know, nobody really trusts the government or the mainstream media that much already?

I have to say, you've come up with a whole new dimension on the standard conspiracy theorist assumption that the conspirators are both fiendishly clever and stupidly incompetent; you're now claiming that the government is both sensible enough not to do anything wrong in the first place, and stupid enough to take on the responsibility for covering up something they didn't do.

Dave

We need to put it into the context of the actual situation back in 2001. Can you imagine George W. Bush telling the public the day after the attack that it was an inside job done by a shadowy part of the government? And that mainstream media was controlled by powers over which the government knew nothing about operating outside the law and legal oversight? I don't think so.

 

[stewster89]

Can you define shadowy part of the government please.....

 

[Anders Lindman]

Can you define shadowy part of the government please.....

The shadow power group as I see it consisted of people in key positions of power within the U.S. government, big media networks and large corporations plus people in corresponding positions in foreign countries.

 

[Dave Rogers]

We need to put it into the context of the actual situation back in 2001. Can you imagine George W. Bush telling the public the day after the attack that it was an inside job done by a shadowy part of the government? And that mainstream media was controlled by powers over which the government knew nothing about operating outside the law and legal oversight? I don't think so.

So now you're arguing that the mainstream media was guilty? Then that alone takes the conspiracy from the "very small" class to the "very large" class.

No, I can't imagine even George W. Bush being idiotic enough to make an announcement in those terms. I can, on the other hand, imagine him announcing that the attacks had been carried out by a group of criminals posing as Middle Eastern terrorists, that this group of criminals had succeeded in infiltrating the government, but that all the guilty parties would be brought to justice. I can even imagine him spinning it so as to give the government more powers of investigation into the background of anyone running for political office, and getting away with it. After all, he's a politician; turning unexpected situations to their advantage is simply what politicians do. And just think - the conspirators must have been planning the attacks for some time, so they must have started during the Clinton administration. How much political capital could Bush have made from that? If he could associate the conspirators with the Democratic party, he could effectively wipe out opposition to the Republicans for a generation.

I'm impressed. You're actually not devious enough to come up with a plausible theory.

Dave

 

[uke2se]

That would still mean the friends or families of the victims were lying.

So, could you please answer the question I posed in my last post?

Do you think your version of the events of 9/11, 2001

- that planes were edited in during live broadcast, that thousands, if not a million or more people who saw the attacks unfold before their very eyes in NYC didn't actually see any planes and lied about it/were peer-pressured into believing it, that the friends and families of victims aboard the hijacked planes are lying/were lied to about their loved ones who actually live in incognito having pinky-sworn never to speak to anyone in their former lives "until the situation is cleared up", including several young children -

is equally or more credible than the official version of events?

Bump for Anders. The question isn't going to go away.

 

[MRC_Hans]

The shadow power group as I see it consisted of people in key positions of power within the U.S. government, big media networks and large corporations plus people in corresponding positions in foreign countries.

SO, about a million people....



Hans

 

[Jack by the hedge]

We need to put it into the context of the actual situation back in 2001. Can you imagine George W. Bush telling the public the day after the attack that it was an inside job done by a shadowy part of the government? And that mainstream media was controlled by powers over which the government knew nothing about operating outside the law and legal oversight? I don't think so.

I can imagine him saying the perpetrators were believed to be US nationals - as in the Oklahoma bombing - and they would be hunted down and brought to justice, whoever they were, and that it already appeared that some individuals working in TV news had been implicated in the plot.

I mean, it's a completely stupid fantasy, but yeah, I can imagine him saying exactly that, a lot more readily than I can imagine him imagining it would be better or even physically possible to sustain the absurd lie that a million people did not see what they saw, and that it might be possible to track down every single amateur video or photograph of the events and doctor them before they were circulated while forcing the people who took the pictures to keep silent and then creating and sustaining completely watertight false life histories for hundreds of people and four airliners.

 

[Anders Lindman]

SO, about a million people....



Hans

No, no. I forgot to clarify that. Not ALL key positions of power. SOME key positions of power. Very few people in fact.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

How exactly were all amateur videos showing no plane intercepted and edited before they were circulated? How would you do it? Where are the originals? Are there any surviving tapes out there waiting to be discovered? Remember - zero risk. So they must have had a plan - how did they do it?

 

[uke2se]

No, no. I forgot to clarify that. Not ALL key positions of power. SOME key positions of power. Very few people in fact.

You're all over the place. Earlier you said that it was a massive conspiracy of many thousands of people.

Now, could you answer the question I keep bumping for you?